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killer mains pretending to be survivor mains pretending to be killer mains pretending to be survivor
I see this coming up very often. A lot of posters have been accused of being "survivor mains pretending to be killer mains".
This is ridiculous. The first issue with it is silly enough on its own; it's this paranoid distrust towards anyone who disagrees with you about the current hot issues ("crutch perks", trash/OP killers and so on). Come on. Be a little more charitable. More often than not, it's baseless to assume that someone is making a profile only to pretend to be "on the other side". Address their points only. Even if you're right about them being fake (which is rarely the case I think), you can't prove it. It only makes you look stupid and petty when you jump to claims that cannot be proven, only because your opinion differs from that of the other.
Second, this kind of accusation only betrays how lowly the accuser's mindset is. If you accuse someone of pretending to be "killer main" or whatever, it shows how unable you are to even imagine that someone is unbiased and thus it makes YOU look like someone who can't distance himself from his own self interests. When in fact, a lot of players play both sides and they have experiences, which, while they may not be the same as those of others', they're still valid experiences.
Which leads me to the third thing: "MAINS"? I simply don't get it. This game offers much more if you play both sides. The people whose opinions are worth the least are killer "mains" and survivor "mains". You won't be a very good player in either role if you don't play the other sometimes, plus this makes you more biased than anything. Also, sometimes it really sounds like it's some kind of identity, which is madness. "I AM a ... main", give me a break. You're just a guy who plays one half of a certain video game.
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why do you care so much?
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people should play both sides.
i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
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@yeet said:
why do you care so much?Not sure, actually. I guess I have an aversion towards people's mdistrust towards each other in general. Nevermind the tons of salt that's thrown around here, I still have the impression that most people are generally good willed.
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@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.4 -
Alot of the time people don't try to see things from both sides I used to be guilty of that too but not anymore. I now find that someone's main is irrelevant because anyone can say anything on the matter. For example I could say I'm a survivor main and want x perk nerfed because I find it unfair. And then on another thread say I'm a killer main and again complain about a killer perk.. so yeah I agree with you on this.3
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The whole "mains" situation is simply put down to us vs them. The way patches are built around one side more than another, toxic behaviour on both sides and everyone thinking that their suggestion is the golden answer to balancing this game just fills this toxic behaviour in the community and how we act towards each other. Whether the devs mean to or not, they are partly to blame for the toxic behaviour and the feeling that its us vs them. Killers feel they are being forgotten about so in turn hate Survivors, and Survivors feel that Killers are getting to much OP changes, again, resulting in hatred towards Killers. Although I do hate how split this community is, in reality you cannot really blame a majority for how they feel.
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Its so ridiculous i have been accused of being a whiny camping Killer main that wants survivor perks to be buffed for easy escapes... on the same post, by the same person.3
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@George_Soros said:
@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.there are many survivor players who exclusively play survivor and mostly in SWF, sure there is some people who exclusively play killer but that is much rarer, oftentimes these players only play the game to bully the killer, and want the game mechanics to enable that.
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@Dwights_leftfoot said:
I freely admit I play as survivor only. I am red/green color blind, I can not play as killer past a certain level. I can't see tracks and the frame rate drop on console for the corn maps and others make it impossible for me to track anyone. I do feel Killer mains have some valid points it just appears the most vocal are also the ones that make the most absurd remarks and stir the pot.the game really needs a colourblind mode, it's so important for playing killer
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You serious? Some people are really like that? They must of forgotten that there can be people who don't main either side.. 'Asks for survivor perk buff' Survivor main! 'Asks for killer perk buff' Killer main! It's so dumb..ChesterTheMolester said:Its so ridiculous i have been accused of being a whiny camping Killer main that wants survivor perks to be buffed for easy escapes... on the same post, by the same person.2 -
accurateyeet said:@George_Soros said:
@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.there are many survivor players who exclusively play survivor and mostly in SWF, sure there is some people who exclusively play killer but that is much rarer, oftentimes these players only play the game to bully the killer, and want the game mechanics to enable that.
thank you for being wise enough to see both sides despite only playing one, and i hope they make a colorblind option fix soon.Dwights_leftfoot said:I freely admit I play as survivor only. I am red/green color blind, I can not play as killer past a certain level. I can't see tracks and the frame rate drop on console for the corn maps and others make it impossible for me to track anyone. I do feel Killer mains have some valid points it just appears the most vocal are also the ones that make the most absurd remarks and stir the pot.
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Personally, when i say i'm a survivor main it's because i like to play with friends, thus it's the role i play the most.
That being said i've also spent lots of hours as killer, and honestly, i think i do better as a killer than as a survivor.5 -
People will rarely complain about something unless it's not beneficial to them. People who complain when their side get buffed or other side nerfed are rare I think.
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@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.
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this joker is a perfect example. you literally just made a thread https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/23506/game-becomes-kinda-boring-after-you-reached-rank-1#latest about how you just made it to rank1 survivor, and have never been anywhere close as killer, and you also claimed to dc as survivor in another thread when things didnt go your way.Eveline said:People will rarely complain about something unless it's not beneficial to them. People who complain when their side get buffed or other side nerfed are rare I think.
Killer main btw.
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Look how crazy ######### got after the exhaustion nerf. That was completely insane. We all know the problems with the game. time constraints, long loops, coordinated swf groups vs single players or other swf groups, and under powered killers(need to rely on addons). The problem is everyone wants to win nobody wants to embrace any type of change. Every game needs to evolve including this one. Adapt or Die.
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Yea I always thought it would be a cool feature on the forums if you could link your hours played survivor/killer to the forums. That way if a survivor comes in with 50 hours survivor and 30 minutes killer, everyone knows he will be survivor biased.
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I claimed I dced because I asked am I entitled to dc? You have some reading problems my friend lol. Btw stop adressing yourself as "we", it's embarrassing. I know you are salty because you find your entitlement in lobby dodging and dcing questioned but you make yourself look stupid and pathetic whenever you go after me. You are obsessed with me.0
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@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
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@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
Still need to see a single survivor main with "ZERO" kills.
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“Main” is just an overused trope added by the community to further divide ourselves by taking sides. It’s dumb.6
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@powerbats said:
@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
Hey i was watch Cote stream last night and asked again about color blind mode and he never answered.
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I think neon blue like the auras during the summer event would work. Also the blood would have to be changed too. Which is a bit awkward.powerbats said:@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
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Well I assume it would have to be an option, not a complete change of colors, otherwise it would be very clumsy for is non-colorblind folks.ChesterTheMolester said:
I think neon blue like the auras during the summer event would work. Also the blood would have to be changed too. Which is a bit awkward.powerbats said:@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
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Why not make it a toggleable option.George_Soros said:
Well I assume it would have to be an option, not a complete change of colors, otherwise it would be very clumsy for is non-colorblind folks.ChesterTheMolester said:
I think neon blue like the auras during the summer event would work. Also the blood would have to be changed too. Which is a bit awkward.powerbats said:@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
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lol youre just one of dozens of salty sandras around here, whos opinions mean so little to me that i toss them in the forum trash bin after proving your bias. you were simply my example of survivor main pretending to be a killer main. you are embarrassed, i understand. no worries sandraEveline said:I claimed I dced because I asked am I entitled to dc? You have some reading problems my friend lol. Btw stop adressing yourself as "we", it's embarrassing. I know you are salty because you find your entitlement in lobby dodging and dcing questioned but you make yourself look stupid and pathetic whenever you go after me. You are obsessed with me.
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@yeet said:
@George_Soros said:
@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.there are many survivor players who exclusively play survivor and mostly in SWF, sure there is some people who exclusively play killer but that is much rarer, oftentimes these players only play the game to bully the killer, and want the game mechanics to enable that.
Absolute nonsense. The % of players in such a low player base (DbD) doing this would be 0.01%.
Get a grip.
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@George_Soros said:
ChesterTheMolester said:
powerbats said:@George_Soros said:
@Dwights_leftfoot I wonder if it would help if scratch marks were, say, white instead of red. I generally dislike the endless demands thrown at devs, but this would be very helpful. I'm sure you're not the only colorblind player. Plus, it doesn't look like a very difficult thing to do, though I don't know the first thing about programming, so not sure.
One big problem with that is Freddy, since the dreamworld is white you'd have to make the marks either super bright white or make the ground solid black.
I think neon blue like the auras during the summer event would work. Also the blood would have to be changed too. Which is a bit awkward.
Well I assume it would have to be an option, not a complete change of colors, otherwise it would be very clumsy for is non-colorblind folks.
A feature to turn on seems the most realistic option.
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Well your posts show otherwise. In every topic you are going after me.
I know I hit the nerve, no point in denying it.
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Oh for the love of god, can you two either f**k and get it over with or just go duke it out in a pit of jelly because honestly that would be far more entertaining than watching you two ######### at each other in what so far has been a fairly interesting and civil thread.
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what he said was accurate. most of the players in this game are survivor mains and of those at least half play swf.only1biggs said:@yeet said:
@George_Soros said:
@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.there are many survivor players who exclusively play survivor and mostly in SWF, sure there is some people who exclusively play killer but that is much rarer, oftentimes these players only play the game to bully the killer, and want the game mechanics to enable that.
Absolute nonsense. The % of players in such a low player base (DbD) doing this would be 0.01%.
Get a grip.
players who swf only often end up bullying the killer.4 -
you are literally nothing to me, no offense. you simply embarrassed yourself and gave me a good laugh. no worries, now that you are in the trash pile, you have turned from funny to pathetic.Eveline said:Well your posts show otherwise. In every topic you are going after me.
I know I hit the nerve, no point in denying it.
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Excuse me, I thought all survivors unanimously agreed that we only played with each other to bully killers. Otherwise we are only allowed to bully each other.only1biggs said:@yeet said:
@George_Soros said:
@Lowbei said:
people should play both sides.i think “balanced perspecive” is the highest compliment you can give someone around here.
that being said, ive seen dozens, literally dozens, of survivormains come claim to be killer mains while advocating for killer nerfs, only to check their steam profile and see zero total players sacrificed.
May be my naivety, but I just can't wrap my head around this. Why on earth would someone try to cripple the "other" side? What's this with so many people wanting ezpz games?
If I want it easy, I play Plants Vs Zombies or something. No salt there for sure.there are many survivor players who exclusively play survivor and mostly in SWF, sure there is some people who exclusively play killer but that is much rarer, oftentimes these players only play the game to bully the killer, and want the game mechanics to enable that.
Absolute nonsense. The % of players in such a low player base (DbD) doing this would be 0.01%.
Get a grip.
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Don't know about Eveline and don't feel like doing some due diligence. However, I can tell you that I also play killer more than survivor, and guess what: just made it to surv rank 1, while as killer the best rank I ever had was 5, maybe 4.Lowbei said:
lol youre just one of dozens of salty sandras around here, whos opinions mean so little to me that i toss them in the forum trash bin after proving your bias. you were simply my example of survivor main pretending to be a killer main. you are embarrassed, i understand. no worries sandraEveline said:I claimed I dced because I asked am I entitled to dc? You have some reading problems my friend lol. Btw stop adressing yourself as "we", it's embarrassing. I know you are salty because you find your entitlement in lobby dodging and dcing questioned but you make yourself look stupid and pathetic whenever you go after me. You are obsessed with me.
So I can't judge the truth to your claims or her honesty, but I feel this is exactly the attitude I referred to: discarding someone's opinion without giving a tiny bit of charity and at least consider their view, regardless of their assumed "angle". In this case, her original comment here seems pretty much correct: people have trouble detaching themselves from their own self-interest. The ones who can are rare indeed.7 -
Lowbei said:
you are literally nothing to me, no offense. you simply embarrassed yourself and gave me a good laugh. no worries, now that you are in the trash pile, you have turned from funny to pathetic.Eveline said:Well your posts show otherwise. In every topic you are going after me.
I know I hit the nerve, no point in denying it.
gg
Hope so.
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Thank youSoylentPixie said:Oh for the love of god, can you two either f**k and get it over with or just go duke it out in a pit of jelly because honestly that would be far more entertaining than watching you two ######### at each other in what so far has been a fairly interesting and civil thread.
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Do a catfight somewhere muddy.
I wanna sell tickets.5 -
oh i considered their point of view, but their point of view was ignorantGeorge_Soros said:
Don't know about Eveline and don't feel like doing some due diligence. However, I can tell you that I also play killer more than survivor, and guess what: just made it to surv rank 1, while as killer the best rank I ever had was 5, maybe 4.Lowbei said:
lol youre just one of dozens of salty sandras around here, whos opinions mean so little to me that i toss them in the forum trash bin after proving your bias. you were simply my example of survivor main pretending to be a killer main. you are embarrassed, i understand. no worries sandraEveline said:I claimed I dced because I asked am I entitled to dc? You have some reading problems my friend lol. Btw stop adressing yourself as "we", it's embarrassing. I know you are salty because you find your entitlement in lobby dodging and dcing questioned but you make yourself look stupid and pathetic whenever you go after me. You are obsessed with me.
So I can't judge the truth to your claims or her honesty, but I feel this is exactly the attitude I referred to: discarding someone's opinion without giving a tiny bit of charity and at least consider their view, regardless of their assumed "angle". In this case, her original comment here seems pretty much correct: people have trouble detaching themselves from their own self-interest. The ones who can are rare indeed.
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Ah, I give up.Lowbei said:
oh i considered their point of view, but their point of view was ignorantGeorge_Soros said:
Don't know about Eveline and don't feel like doing some due diligence. However, I can tell you that I also play killer more than survivor, and guess what: just made it to surv rank 1, while as killer the best rank I ever had was 5, maybe 4.Lowbei said:
lol youre just one of dozens of salty sandras around here, whos opinions mean so little to me that i toss them in the forum trash bin after proving your bias. you were simply my example of survivor main pretending to be a killer main. you are embarrassed, i understand. no worries sandraEveline said:I claimed I dced because I asked am I entitled to dc? You have some reading problems my friend lol. Btw stop adressing yourself as "we", it's embarrassing. I know you are salty because you find your entitlement in lobby dodging and dcing questioned but you make yourself look stupid and pathetic whenever you go after me. You are obsessed with me.
So I can't judge the truth to your claims or her honesty, but I feel this is exactly the attitude I referred to: discarding someone's opinion without giving a tiny bit of charity and at least consider their view, regardless of their assumed "angle". In this case, her original comment here seems pretty much correct: people have trouble detaching themselves from their own self-interest. The ones who can are rare indeed.
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@George_Soros said:
Ah, I give up.
Bring the flamethrowers!Finally someone who thinks just as deviously as I do.
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@George_Soros said:
Ah, I give up.
Bring the flamethrowers!Nuke it from orbit....it's the only way to be sure
But seriously, you do bring up a very prominent point that plagues the forums relentlessly and what is happening in this very thread only underlines your point. The us versus them mentality spills out and there is rarely a thread where opinions do not get ignored because someone hasn't spent enough hours on a certain side, or its just someone yelling 'KILLER/SURVIVOR MAIN' rather than taking the time to civilly explain why you disagree.
And then the thread eventually just degrades into full on verbal happy slaps
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
Do a catfight somewhere muddy.I wanna sell tickets.
I volunteer to referee, but only if they fight with pool noodles.
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Not fair, Lowbei would have 2 then.SoylentPixie said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Do a catfight somewhere muddy.I wanna sell tickets.
I volunteer to referee, but only if they fight with pool noodles.
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
Not fair, Lowbei would have 2 then.Awww man, you just made me laugh and inhale my tea at the same time!
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Thank you. Also im sure that smoking teabags is unhealthy.SoylentPixie said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Not fair, Lowbei would have 2 then.Awww man, you just made me laugh and inhale my tea at the same time!
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People have let competition turn to toxicity. In your standard match of Dead by Daylight you will have clear winners and clear losers. If the killer kills everyone, they win. If survivors escape, then they win.
The problem here is that aside from BP, there is no participation trophy for the losers. Before you misinterpret my words allow me to say that I do not want participation trophies in DBD. The point I am trying to make is that a number of our players for some reason cannot handle losing. I personally blame community member immaturity.
I was working on a meme for the Off-Topic subforum when I searched up "Dead by Daylight generator" on Google. Among the search results were several Minecraft versions of the Dead by Daylight prop for some reason. Given how that game has become a children's game it would seem that there is a sizable number of minors in our midst.
I hypothesize that these minors are responsible for the majority of the toxicity in the community. Granted, they are not all of the toxicity. However, I maintain the notion that they are a large part of the problem.
On a side note: I am a Community main, that is to say, I play whatever role we don't have enough of.
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@George_Soros said:
I see this coming up very often. A lot of posters have been accused of being "survivor mains pretending to be killer mains".
This is ridiculous. The first issue with it is silly enough on its own; it's this paranoid distrust towards anyone who disagrees with you about the current hot issues ("crutch perks", trash/OP killers and so on). Come on. Be a little more charitable. More often than not, it's baseless to assume that someone is making a profile only to pretend to be "on the other side". Address their points only. Even if you're right about them being fake (which is rarely the case I think), you can't prove it. It only makes you look stupid and petty when you jump to claims that cannot be proven, only because your opinion differs from that of the other.Second, this kind of accusation only betrays how lowly the accuser's mindset is. If you accuse someone of pretending to be "killer main" or whatever, it shows how unable you are to even imagine that someone is unbiased and thus it makes YOU look like someone who can't distance himself from his own self interests. When in fact, a lot of players play both sides and they have experiences, which, while they may not be the same as those of others', they're still valid experiences.
Which leads me to the third thing: "MAINS"? I simply don't get it. This game offers much more if you play both sides. The people whose opinions are worth the least are killer "mains" and survivor "mains". You won't be a very good player in either role if you don't play the other sometimes, plus this makes you more biased than anything. Also, sometimes it really sounds like it's some kind of identity, which is madness. "I AM a ... main", give me a break. You're just a guy who plays one half of a certain video game.
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Holy #########. I just googled it and you're right. I count quite a few Minecraft and Roblox versions.Peasant said:People have let competition turn to toxicity. In your standard match of Dead by Daylight you will have clear winners and clear losers. If the killer kills everyone, they win. If survivors escape, then they win.
The problem here is that aside from BP, there is no participation trophy for the losers. Before you misinterpret my words allow me to say that I do not want participation trophies in DBD. The point I am trying to make is that a number of our players for some reason cannot handle losing. I personally blame community member immaturity.
I was working on a meme for the Off-Topic subforum when I searched up "Dead by Daylight generator" on Google. Among the search results were several Minecraft versions of the Dead by Daylight prop for some reason. Given how that game has become a children's game it would seem that there is a sizable number of minors in our midst.
I hypothesize that these minors are responsible for the majority of the toxicity in the community. Granted, they are not all of the toxicity. However, I maintain the notion that they are a large part of the problem.
On a side note: I am a Community main, that is to say, I play whatever role we don't have enough of.1 -
@powerbats said:
@George_Soros said:
Ah, I give up.
Bring the flamethrowers!Finally someone who thinks just as deviously as I do.
Well I appreciate the occasional nasty trolling, sarcasm and victory-or-death flame wars. It's just that they get stale so fast. At some point they always turn into YOU ARE STUPID - NO, YOU ARE STUPID - I GOT 800 HOURS IN THIS GAME - GUESS WHAT, I GOT 1000 HOURS - OH YEAH? WELL MY PENIS IS MODERATELY/CONSIDERABLY/TREMENDOUSLY BIGGER THAN YOURS
Best quit before one gets to this point.
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@Peasant said:
a number of our players for some reason cannot handle losing.That. Exactly.
As for "participation trophies", I think the devs went out of their way to give SOMETHING to players, even when they lose. No pips? You still have your BP, possibly some achievement progress, an item you salvaged even though you spent most of the game on a hook, etc.
That's the big challenge with practically any game: you want to make it enjoyable for as many players as possible, yet, since people don't like to lose, there will always be unhappy ones. I would say DBD performs extremely well in this sense: if you have a good sense of humour, you can be brutally murdered during a game and still have fun, provided you can appreciate those moments of drama. Still, I expect a lot of people are too immature to find the beauty in "doing well but ultimately failing". That's btw very much what I'd call a first world problem. Weak will and lack of resilience in kids. Entitlement (that word comes up so often here and with good reason).
But I'm digressing too much here I guess.3
