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This New MMR will exterminate LOW TIER Killers of the game...

gigzz
gigzz Member Posts: 9
edited March 2021 in General Discussions

Hello Everybody!

I Play this 24hours about "new mmr" and i say to you, this mmr will exterminate LOW TIER killers of the game, i'm Rank 1 Killers / Rank 1 Survivors (2,000Hours).

I pick my legion, and game put me againts 4 Men SWF (of tournament) of my country, and others very good survivor all the time, all matches, cause i'm good with legion, okay i'm rank 1, have so many hours, okay, but... LEGION DON'T HAVE POWER TO FACE 4 MEN SWF or 4 Very good survivors behavior.

It's funny play with: Plague / Myers / Doctor / Clown / Legion / Demogorgon and others, but if you say "you're good with this low tier killer, go and face this four very good survivors swf", its so wrong, i can be good with "X" killer or "Y" killer, but these killers DON'T HAVE power to face four very good survivors all the time, just cause i'm good with he, you can understand my point?

Or we will only see Spirit / Nurse / Freddy and Billy, cause others killers are too weak to face four very good closed swf group, just cause the player are good with "legion".

And i take 10 minute or more to found a match (with all killers)


The matchmaking it's good the way it is, don't make changes about that behavior, or play with low tier killers will be very frustrating.

Comments

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 5,229

    I mean if it worked as intended ideally it would make low tier killers more playable; but the thing is from what we saw it wasn't working as intended.

  • Dizzy1096
    Dizzy1096 Member Posts: 918

    If you saw tru3's stream today you can see this in action.

    "maybe tru3 just sucks"

    Eh watch the survivors he went against and the maps he's on. All of the killers crippling weaknesses were brought to light. It's no different to what we see in tournaments where supposedly unstoppable killers like Freddy are last to get picked like the fat kid in football. It's Nurse or bust. Maybe Spirit but the rest are pretty junk at the top level.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    Under that same token, maybe the MMR system is needed then so the stats that the Devs worship like a religion can finally show killers as they are, and they can finally see what we've been trying to tell them.

  • Dizzy1096
    Dizzy1096 Member Posts: 918

    You would hope so and I have heard a lot of people share that hope but honestly I think the designers have clocked out at this point. The game will be milked its final few years and little will change.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142
    edited March 2021

    And sadly, we are in total agreement on this. Luckily, I have Home Sweet Home: Survive to screw around in if it ever releases, Evil Dead: The Game potentially in 2021, and Overwatch 2 next year.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,906

    I disagree. All that it would show is that low-tier Killers cap out at a certain MMR and if they go any higher, they got eviscerated by competent teams.

    My Legion, for example. I've played a TON of Legion and I exclusively played him yesterday. There came a point where I had to turn crossplay on and it still took me an entire hour to find a match, where I was promptly curbstomped.

    Hopefully, this means weaker Killers will be able to be changed once the Devs see that the majority of the cast stops being viable at a certain MMR.

    Likewise, let's hope that the Devs see that Solo Q MMR is vastly different to people who play SWF.

  • landromat
    landromat Member Posts: 2,193

    you'll lose some games and then you'll play against weaker survivors. that's how mmr works in every game

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    @Dizzy1096 Luckily, I have Home Sweet Home: Survive to screw around in if it ever releases, Evil Dead: The Game potentially in 2021, and Overwatch 2 next year. So, when DbD pisses me off enough (which likely isn't too far off), I can just make it a memory.

  • Dizzy1096
    Dizzy1096 Member Posts: 918

    All of these asymmetrical horror games have turned out to be lackluster. We need a real developer to take a stab at it, someone with the financial backing and design experience to make it work.

    That said if any come along where one of the strongest things you can do in the game is more involving than just holding the W key like in DBD it's probably worth making the switch.

  • Simian_or_lizard
    Simian_or_lizard Member Posts: 1

    Perhaps it’s just me but the only discernible difference I noticed was playing killers I had a very high skill level with seemed to pair me with newer survivors with little to no skill. When I switched to killers I very rarely played I was paired with the elite swf crews. Definitely doesn’t seem to have worked as intended for me.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 5,229
    edited March 2021

    That....literally just confirms what I said though.

    Instead of getting destroyed by those teams, it keeps them down in matches where they are more functional, making them honestly more fun to play. Even if a killer is bad, you would still then be able to play them.

    Meanwhile; that also still makes it clear there is a balance problem with the killer, which is what you are describing, not an MMR problem.

    If there is a balance problem with a killer then that is something to be addressed; honestly if the MMR worked properly then this would also let us balance killers like Freddy better too since it would let you fluidly adapt to how they are performing at various ranks of skill.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    What's interesting for me is that, generally, I'm not a fan of asymmetrical PvP games. I never played one before DbD, and only gave DbD a shot because of Myers (and then the other horror icons). If not for Myers, I would never have bought DbD.

    But DbD has made me curious about Home Sweet Home: Survival. Can they do it better? I mean, I liked Friday the 13th a hell of a lot more than this game as far as gameplay went (again, tried it because I'd already experienced this game), but that game died in a bad way.

    Evil Dead: The Game I just want for the co-op PvE with some family members. Not sure I'll delve too heavily into its asymmetrical PvP mode.

    As far as PvP goes, my tastes go more toward the even-teams of things like Overwatch, Paladins, or Heroes of the Storm. But I also tend to play them entirely with my Friends & Family group.

  • HectorBrando
    HectorBrando Member Posts: 3,167

    Not really, if harder to play Killers have a tougher time reaching the highest MMR possible it just means they will face softer Survivors, they are not going to get stuck playing against potatos forever or end up not having who to play against, also the wors SWAT teams will skyrocket towards higher MMRS leaving the average player alone (thats IF the system does work as intended).

    This game, like almost every game has a extremely small % of extremely good players where balance does factor quite a b it but for regular players is not THAT unbalanced that Killers cant be played on pretty much every bracket at the average skill.

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,548
    edited March 2021


    Scott kinda puts it the best ive seen

    Itd take way to much work to make a unbalanced game like this to be good enough for a mmr system imo. Its gonna be no big surprise the highest mmr will be just nurse spirit nurse spirit nurse spirit. And i honestly doubt thatll ever be fixed unless this game gets some giant overhaul. I know it is hard for survivors to accept but at the highest level...they make this game basically unwinnable. This coming from a person with 4k hours on survivor as well.

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  • Dizzy1096
    Dizzy1096 Member Posts: 918
    edited March 2021

    It's the truth that survivors don't want to hear because their ego would be bruised - when your swf defeats any killer other than the top 2 over and over and over again it's not because you're pro players, it's because the killers just simply don't have the power to take out a good team.

    Meanwhile the devs are nerfing killers below those two. Pyramid recently and now Freddy. They're nerfing killers that are already not viablel at the highest level. They don't even seem to understand why or how freddy is getting so many kills, they just look at the stats and nerf, end of story.