Everyone shut up about Trickster being bad
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his "buff" was a bug fix and the other two are nerfs imo
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He also got a buff to main event and I really don't know what would count as a nerf in that package. It was pretty underwhelming but it was still a buff.
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He is not the worst, but he is definitely bad.
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We're not having this discussion here again. I just want it to be clear that "people thought Spirit was bad but then she turned out to be great upon release" is a misleading claim that leaves out some important details.
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I just want to be clear that "people thought Spirit was bad but then she turned out to be great upon release" is a adequately accurate claim that is an appropriate generalization of what happened.
TL;DR: No *heart emoji*
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So why does he slow down to hell when he's able to get off main event that he'd just slow down ever so quickly, whereas it's not even strong enough to consider it a slowdown,
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Because that wasn't one of his buffs?
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It's not, but if you want to continue omitting relevant details to suit your position, I can't do anything about it.
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It is, but if you want to continue operating on the basis of either misrepresentative or non-existent details, I can't do anything about it.
I have some spare time, I'm down for round 2: electric boogaloo if you have time.
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Yeah no, he's terrible.
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If you're on console.
PC players have already had 2 weeks of trying him out
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starstruck is a good perk though too bad it's gonna get nerfed when survivors complain
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Not being able to stop shooting is a definite nerf imo as if you have tinkerer or some undectable thing you cant sneak up at all and it also makes any form of midgaming impossible during main event since you have a map wide red light more or less.
They nerfed the one addon that made him even remotely good and even with it he was still kinda mediocore
They fixed the main event taking ammo bug and I am convinced it was a bug because of his power description
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Well they also gave him the ability to cancel main event, which has the unfortunate effect of, well, canceling main event, but it's a step.
I really had difficult getting use out of trick blades. My aim isn't much better than dog water but I can presume that it was also that the add-on wasn't that fun in the first place. I actually prefer the new trick blades; All I did was equip Lery's and go to town. It never worked but it was fun nevertheless.
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Old trick blades could be cheese to remove the biggest flaw of it taking like 16 knives to injured. You could bounce them off the floor and could down people much faster.
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Well again, my aim sucks (And its 8 knives for a down, 4 trick blade ricochets for a down). Plus, new trick blades let us raise with indoor maps.
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People are pointing out genuine mechanical flaws of the killer's power relative to how other ranged killers succeed. He has all of the drawbacks of Huntress/Deathslinger but absolutely nothing that elevates him to their level. He is significantly less lethal than they are at comparable tiles (L/T walls, jungle gyms, C walls, etc.). He doesn't down survivors in areas where Huntress/Deathslinger struggle. Just knowing that, he's pretty terrible.
For what it's worth, I have 3000 hrs in the game and play every killer at a rank 1 level. I know for a fact some posters in this thread have more hours/experience than I do. You know what I did against a Trickster at a jungle gym? Looped the pallet side and ignored the window. Literally the same thing you do against a Huntress. Difference being, he could only hit me with one or two knives max before I broke LOS. Then I dropped the pallet. Zero lethality. Huntress could have landed a hatchet. Slinger could have faked a shot until I dropped the pallet, and probably have got a hit with Prison Chains. Trickster annoyed me with lines on my screen and I was still healthy in the end.
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Oops meant to write down not injure and I dont think anyone needs good aim to be able to hit 8 out of 60 knives bounced off the floor. New blades seem more fun but are undeniably weaker imo
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No I don't think I will
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Yeah,16 blades is definitely excessive, which is why he should definitely have regular M1 capacity. His power is meant to help him get injures in situations where range is an issue (EG, Haddonhell fences), M1 at all other times.
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You're right, lets make a detailed list of pros and cons like calm adults.
Pros:
Cons:
It takes 8 knives to take away one health state.
Survivor's Laceration meter goes away even while they are in a chase and sprinting.
It goes down pretty fast too.
Trash at loops because he's so slow.
Even when using knives at loops, it takes forever to get a down and generators pop.
Recoil for small throwing knives, but not for explosive speargun, and at least speargun takes a health state on one hit.
Power cannot be controlled effectively.
Power cannot be activated at will.
Oh, and theres a bug where he can't turn when close to walls.
In closing, can you honestly say this killer is viable?
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Just wait for the rework one day. Then buy the chapter.
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With all due respect, people like you are the problem with this game. "Benefit of the doubt" and "give it time" type of views allow BVHR to either make no changes, or do so at an incredibly slow rate.
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If you and your teammates got decimated by a trickster, you're just not very good. He's horrible, the worst killer in the game, and no team should be losing to him if they know how to run him, especially an SWF. I've talked to many killer mains at r1/2 in the end game lobby about him and not one person has said anything good about him. He is underwhelming, addons aren't very strong or good, and there are too many downsides to him when you can just pick Plague or Huntress that do everything he does, but better.
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On the contrary more people need to be constantly making as much noise about this as possible. Anything to get him fixed. i really like this character and if he played worth a damn I'd probably play no one else.
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I've already run into some tricksters who absolutely decimated me and my teams.
I think that's more of a you're bad rather than the Trickster is good.
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Normally i would agree but trickster as is is just a lost cause.
Between the spread, the recoil and the insane slowdown of throwing knifes there is no getting good at it.
The knives are so random that every knife you throw is just rolling the dice.
Sometimes you get lucky and the knives go relativilly where you want them to go. Other times it's like the survivors have a magnetic field that repels the blades.
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"Give it some time" - we did, on PTB. They were told he was poorly implemented. They delayed a week so we were hopeful, only to have them nerf his addons, add a cooldown/stun to his activated ability, and made Main Event essentially a harmful thing to use.
As a killer with over 1300 hours who also plays survivor, I can speak from playing both sides, Trickster as he is currently implemented is BAD.
If you think otherwise, you simply do not have a good frame of reference to understand, either from a lack of experience, or a lack of understanding of what makes a good killer versus a bad one.
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I use it on Nurse atm with a build centered around it. If they don't nerf it, I'd be surprised. I mean, why would anything in this chapter be remotely good? It was supposed to be objectively terrible in every way. If something turned out useable, then it must've been an oversight.
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just cause the majority of people say he is bad (which he very much is) doesn't mean it is an echo chamber lmfao. People are playing the game. People see he is actually worse than any other killer.
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I've played against some amazing Tricksters the past 2 days and no, that doesn't mean that he's the greatest but it means that some people are actually trying with him and succeeding. A lot of the people on forums are just complaining that he is bad repeatedly and how they're not going to waste their money on purchasing the chapter. THAT is what I'm referring to when I mention an echo chamber.
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While I agree we should give him a little more time, first impressions mean a lot.
And first impressions right now are that he is extremely underwhelming.
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He is bad at everything, no one is exagerating, and most people that play killer probably exausted every tactic perk combinations and everything else to come to that conclusion while playing hours and even non stop since the release not 3 games... Like me.
He needs buffs, and a serious number of changes not one. And that's a fact.
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Maybe you and your team were bad. Not hard to destroyed potato teams with any killer. Problem is against good or decent survivors hes going to struggle. His ability is worthless even at pallets or windows because it takes 8 knifes to injured 1 survivor. Huntrees or slinger take 1 shot depending on the situation. So most of the time using M1 is stronger than his ability. And even when using M1 hes still 110% speed so good luck hitting 8 knives around loops because he slows down and has recoil when he throws them.
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He shouldn't slow down while aiming or throwing. I start chasing and I feel like I want to use my fun killer power, but if I try the survivor just gains distance on me, so why bother.
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9 hours on trickster alone, trying all sort of things, he is not bad, he is trash.
If you lost to a trickster player you must have had a bad match.
Show us a match where the trickster decimated you, I want to see how you play since trickster is good according to you.
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No, it can't be done, except against potatoes. His weaknesses nullify any pros he was built with. That's like saying Twins 'just needed to be learned' upon release. They're still down right terrible, with the only viable way of playing them to be scummy. Trickster is in the same boat. He's a badly made mess.
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The somehow made him worse from ptb to live with only qol changes
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yeah bro this ^^^
idk what you're thinking making this post, he's absolutely garbage and shouldn't have been released like this. Console peeps especially suffer.
PLus it's worth money
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not bad
horrible
worst killer in the game
same movement speed and wind up time as huntress
need hit more times to do damage
damage dissapears over time unlike ghostface stalk
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Like this thread must be an April Fools joke....right?....right!?
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