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Is there gonna be any changes to trickster
I dont care for a date just is there any planned changes for trickster before mid chapter
Because right now there is basically no killer to play only a 110 m1 killer
So are we gonna get a reply? Or keep us in the dark like usual. Because I'm pretty sure all of us would like an answer not a promise just an answer
Ps this killer is so bad this is the only time I've been out of red ranks other than reset
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Didn't you hear? He's actually really strong and there is not enough data that proves otherwise. lol
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Ah yea mb same power level as t2 only Myers ohh wait Myers is faster with a smaller terror radius time to nerf myers
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Well if they continue their trend of balancing the previous chapter during the current chapter's midchapter, then I wouldn't expect anything till the 5th anniversary midchapter.
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I swear to god if they do this again the community will never let them hear the end of it.
I'm makeing these posts for not only the people that basically got scammed. but for the devs sanity as well
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Plague can apply a status effect that ticks up overtime AND infects other players? She also causes the broken status effect and doesn't need to reload?! She's also FASTER?! AND her activatable power doesn't hinder her?!
######### must be OP af. Oh wait, she's only average to above-average? Damn Trickster. Just... damn.
BHVR is confused by what "data" is I think.
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You guys are missing the true monster here, Huntress only has to hit a single hatchet for a whole health state and has no recoil! Time to nerf her ASAP. She should need to hit all 5 hatchets for a health state and if you hold it for too long your camera starts swaying cause her arm is getting tired.
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She would need an activatable power that has a start up, stuns her and puts her hatchets on cooldown too though.
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No not my ex main dont do her like that the sad part is they would probably do some bull ######### like that when reworking her addons
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Wait six months while the "Gather the data".
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I am doubtful we are getting a buff on him too quickly. I think they will be slow with his buffs, so they don't appear killer biased after the DS improvements.
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I mean they didn’t really get scammed though. You could see his power in action on the ptb and his power works as intended
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They probably won't announce changes till Friday or early next week. If they do it too soon after release it will basically be admitting they already knew he was weak and released him that way despite knowing.
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All of the newish people that dont know what the ptb is I am a console player and had to explain how to open the ptb to a friend that has had the game for 3 years now
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What gave it away the every growing list of complaints about this chapter
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and if you hold it for too long your camera starts swaying cause her arm is getting tired.
Psst,you're not supposed to leak her addon rework + minimal changes to the basekit 🙊
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Doesn’t mean buying him is a scam. You got the killer and his teachable perks
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Shh it's for drumming up hype cause this is what everyone wants right 🤫
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Probably. He was obviously released in a time crunch, they'll buff him later. The three-month release schedule is clearly causing some issues, especially with COVID.
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Trickster will be buffed next week I guarantee on the 2 hotfixes I think they will buff him
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I honestly don't expect a buff. They might shift his balance a bit, but my guess is he will gain some kind of benefit while also eating a new penalty.
My reason for this is simple: I don't think the devs see killers in Tiers, ranks, etc. They only see them as doing what they are designed to do. Whether a Killers function is viable, strong, weak, etc, doesn't matter to them. Only that they work as intended. Wraith got a buff alongside a nerf. Not because Wraith would have been too strong, but because he's supposed to have very set gameplay and counter play. When they buff one aspect, they nerf another. Wraith is supposed to have clear cut counter play. Spirit is supposed to deprive the survivors of usable data to work with. Trickster is supposed to be a death by a thousand cuts. Whether or not any of that is balanced doesn't matter. Strong or weak doesn't matter. Only that the intent of the gameplay is there.
Maybe we will get ricochet as base kit. Cool. Maybe that will also increase the amount of hits required to 16 for an injury. Big oof. I wouldn't be surprised, though.
Maybe I'm being very pessimistic. Probably. I was a Legion main, however, and look at that track record. QoL changes that would make Legion a solid mid tier killer have never happened. He's still punished for using normal attacks. He's punished for using his power. His power lacks any real bite. Trickster has the same issues, and my guess is they are fine with that. If they're fine with Legion punishing the player for playing as intended, how will Trickster be any different?
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I hope so so unenjoyable and difficult to play on console
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Every new killer gets a rework, the question is will it be soon or in six months, and how much of a nerf will it be.
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Dont make excuses for them. At any point during the design process they could have forseen he was woefully underpowered. There is no excuse for releasing him in the state he is in.
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While we're at it, we should also limit the field of view for her a lot as seeing through that mask must be difficult, oh and in case her legs get tired she needs the opposite of blood lust where she just loses speed, that'll balance her.
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Don't be so ideological. They have a strict schedule and you can't just rush through a hotfix in a week, without having it be either a buggy mess, woefully overpowered, or both. They didn't have much time between the PTB and release to gather actual feedback (which is more than just going onto the forums and reading some of the very, very helpful criticism on here [April fools]), coming up with a solution, and then implementing the solution. Even Ghostface took some time to get him to the state he's in right now, and back then they had a much more efficient workplace and a much less crowded agenda.
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Idk apparent they dont look at the new chapter data until a month and a half
Here's a summary of why I'm so angry
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Well that's how you do statistics; you have to give it time for an adequate period of data collection. Whenever you conduct experiments, you don't take results after 5 seconds.
I think we all know that Trickster is bad, we just need to know how bad he is if we're going to give him a buff. We don't want another Freddy, I'm sure.
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Legion may not be the best killer and could get a reduced fatigue penalty when canceling the power but is still one of the most fun killers to play with and in close maps is powerful or if the survivors are dumb enough to leave the last gens together they are dead.
The new killer can't be compared to legion, the trickster is really weak in comparison, probably the weakest killer in the game so far. Literally every other killer plays better than him because hes a crippled m1 killer and has a nerfed hatchets power, he really doesn't excels at anything other than being glamorous.
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Legion is only good with the slow down build but their power is just a faster m1.Atleast with Trickster you have to try and aim.
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Yea you also don't let something that everyone is saying is garbage sit for a month and a half
And leave the player base wondering if it gonna be changed.
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I just want him to throw knives in front of him and not off to the side.
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Absolutely.
BHVR is just bad at listening to their community, but they do listen to stats. After a couple weeks of him having like a 0.5 kill rate they will buff him I am sure.
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They won’t communicate anything to us
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Again, what else are they supposed to do? In order to make an informed decision, they need information and statistics, which you don't just snap your fingers and conjure out of thin air. Everything takes time, patience is a virtue.
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Yea after a month and a half literally almo, the balance director said. I dont look at the stats until like a month and a half after release
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So the ptb was meaningless? Wheres the bad stats from there?
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Actually, the new Killer CAN be compared to Legion in that the two are unfairly penalized for playing the game normally. Both get power penalties when using M1. In fact, unless I'm missing someone, I think Legion and Trickster are the ONLY two Killers in the game that get power penalties for using M1 (EDIT: Forgot about Ghostface, though that's a biiiiit different). It looks like they reduced it on Trickster, but it's still there.
The point of comparison I was making, however, is that Legion shows that the devs are perfectly fine leaving a Killer in a state where they essentially punish themselves for playing as intended. Legion does just that. Trickster gains rather severe penalties when using his knives despite how weak they are, and is insanely penalized when using Main Event. Similarly, Legion eats a DS every time he shuts off Feral Frenzy, and loses his power charge whenever he uses M1. So ya, I have no reason to think they are going to buff Trickster, because the exact same kinds of problems can be seen on Legion, whom the devs seem to think is perfectly fine and okay. Is Trickster weaker than Legion? Absolutely. Are their shortcomings similar? Well, ya.
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I feel bad but I've been doing ok with him NOED slugging. We all know they only take the end result into account so once everyone gets NOED he will look ok performance wise.
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What is the point of the PTB If no changes to the killer are made?
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Exactly what I was saying
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Promoting the product and hyping fans...
The power of this April-Fools-killer is so basic, brain-dead, unskillful and uninspired, and it's OK for me.
But you don't need 3K hours of mastering or 6 weeks of Data to figure out how garbage he is.
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I don't get why they wouldn't hotfix him.. It would essentially be a PTB change, but in a live environment. Like it should have happened on PTB, but it didn't. So if it takes longer than a month, it will be a pathetic display.
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The PTB lasted a few weeks, and they made changes based off of it. Given, those changes were solutions in need of problems, but they have a schedule.
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probably.... but .... this is dbd
everything takes years..... blight pov was bugged for a entire year
freddy/clown reworks takes years
ds nerf takes years
.................................so.......................... :''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''(
i rly expect some of these things:
- Making him a 115% speed killer.
- Tap M2 should throw 1 blade, hold it throw more.... had to press M1 again feels akward.
- Blades Ricochet in the environment once basekit.
- Main Event stay able to activate by pressing Control forever (like the Oni Demon Fury).
- When fully charged, the killer and the survivors will hear a sound warning (like with the Oni, Plague, Myers fully charged powers)
- Maybe adding an animation of him making a cool pose with scenario lights pointing on him while activating as a negative effect of being able to choose when to use it????
- When fully charged, the killer and the survivors will hear a sound warning (like with the Oni, Plague, Myers fully charged powers)
- During the Main Event:
- Be able to Aim & throw infinite blades with rate significantly increased at fully 115% speed, but not forced to... so you can pick up survivors and open lockers.
- Terror Ratius tremendusly increased.
- Survivors inside the Terror Ratius trigger Killer Instinct.
- Blade-damage (Laceration) should stay until the survivor makes a new healing interaction (like Mending/Snap of madness/Wake up/etc...).
- Do objectives (repairing/healing others/making bones/etc.) while affected by the blade-damage increase it and even down yourself.
- Addons who affect the decay delay will increase the time takes to do that healing interaction for each blade hit. (like the mending Deathslinger/Legion addons).
- addons who affect the decay delay out of blades increase the self-increased blade-damage while doing objectives.
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Don't worry guys we will only have to wait 4 and a half months till the 5th anniversary mid chapter patch to get any fixes to this current chapter. What a joke lmfao
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They need to wait and look at his stats because I'm sure he is killing well over 2. You need to learn him first. We don't need another episode like Freddy. He throws projectiles so the counterplay is extremely limited. If anything, survivors need to be buffed because most killers are too powerful, such as Blight with Ruin/Tinkerer.
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Sluzzy you always give me a good chuckle.
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This is exactly what I want.
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Thats basically what everyone wanted but it was all ignored
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Yea at least legion is fun to play that's why you occasionally see them
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