Are we going to keep ignoring that face camping and hard tunneling are a giant problem
Literally in the first game I play today I get face camped and after that I played 4 more games in 2 of them someone got fact camped and in a 3rd someone got hard tunneled the entire game. So out of 5 games only one was even remotely enjoyable because that killer actually patrolled gens and put pressure on all of us so we had to actually play smart. That game ended with 3 of us dying and one escaping. The other games were 3 of us escaping and 1 person dying with most of us never even seeing the killer or getting into a chase screwing our emblems because the killer wanted to hard tunnel and face camp one person. Something needs to be done about this.
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There is no problem, this is how the game has been for a while. The dev's have said that camping and tunneling aren't problems or ban-able offenses. To stop yourself from getting camped you should hide better and not get found first. To help teammates from campers you should bring borrowed time and maybe put yourself in a position to take pressure off teammates. The killer only has 4 survivors to chase so there's a 25% chance that could be you, getting the game from a 4v1 to a 3v1 is always the best play a killer can make. Sometimes its not even the killers fault but its your teammates for making un-safe unhooks.
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@Hektic3000 is correct.
It's sad, but it's true. It's hard, but it's fair. I would suggest that Survivors choose to rush gens while the Killer is wasting his/her/their time face-camping.
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Camping and tunnelling killer tactics. Are you stopping gen rush? No. So killer can stop you with any way. That is not mean you will like it. For win killer can use any legal way.
But if you ask me this game is not balanced, all problems comes for this.
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It is a problem when almost every killer is doing it and you forget that you can rely on your teammates because solo queue is absolute garbage right now. Also even if the devs said it’s fine a long time a go doesn’t mean it actually is, the devs are just wrong saying they aren’t problems.
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Who were the killers and did the people seem to know how to use them?
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Not it's not
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Cool, so you know more than the devs.
When is your game coming out?
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Well, the devs are the ones that make the game. If they don't want to treat it like an issue, then no, it's never going to be fixed. Until they decide that camping and tunneling are issues that need to be resolved, they are simply gameplay.
I personally don't like camping or tunneling. I get that sometimes it's needed, and I don't mind seeing it when the gates are powered and the Killer hasn't sacc'd anyone yet. Ya, they are going to camp a 1k to get something. When it happens from the offset, ya, I'm not showering the Killer in praise. However, it's up to the devs of the game if this is how they want their game to be played, and the answer right now is "Ya, sure, whatever".
Also, for the record, they HAVE tried anti-camping mechanics in the past, but Survivors abused the hell out of them. The devs had to turn them off because Survivors were making hook phases last forever by getting into infinite chases around hooks while someone else did all the gens. That brings up the other issue: Players in this game, both Survivor and Killer alike, are VERY willing to exploit anything they can to either win or BM the other team. Any anti-tunneling or anti-camping mechanic must be made in such a way that exploiting or abusing them isn't possible, or at least incredibly hard. Thus far, no method has been found.
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Some people on here...
"OoO is toxic and overpowered!"
"Devs say it's balanced, they know nothing! I hate this game, it's trash!"
"Camping and tunneling is toxic and overpowered!"
"Devs says it's balanced, you challenge their glorious design! Suck it up cause devs said so!"
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You realise you're playing asymetrical game right ? You're at mercy of the 1v4 system that allows the 1 to overpower and do whatever he wants to the single 1 out of 4 if he's willing to throw the overall match for it.
You can't fix tunneling/camping as it's a free decision of killer to focus on whoever he wants, you can discourage it but never completely prevent it.
Best thing you can do is play better by not throwing yourself at facecampers and help teammates who get tunneled either by doing gens or bodyblocking. There are counters to both, you just fail at using them and want the game to do it for you.
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Every killer is doing it almost like hooking and killing survivors is their one and only goal. If you can't rely on your teammates then that's not the killers fault that's your teammates fault.
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If you read my post I did point out that the games where the killer did this 3 people escaped. The problem is they didn’t see the killer at all so the game is just not fun for anyone at that point. It also screws your emblems over too
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Tunneling and camping have been widely-used strategies for as long as the gen rush meta has been a thing, and probably even before that. It dates back to the days of Bubba's release, even.
Nobody can deny that these are huge problems and not crack a smile, but they are valid tactics, just as pairing DS into Head-On into a pallet from out of nowhere is a valid tactic.
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Well if they want to get points in the emblem system then they need to interact with the killer. They cant just do gens and leave and expect to rank up, that's how you get red rank survivors that play like yellows. They can easily go to where the hooked person is and try to entice the killer away.
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The problem is we can’t interact with the killer since he is face camping/hard tunneling one person. This is why camping and hard tunneling is a problem: it warps the entire game into a giant ######### fest where no one has fun and it prevent anyone from piping or even learning how to be better at the game. The devs say it’s fine but that honesty just show how incompetent they are when almost everybody understand how it’s an issue and all beg for it to be fixed.
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The problem is that the devs are too thick to realise it’s a problem. All they need to do is have mechanics that prevent face camping and tunnelling which makes the game so much more fun for nearly all survivors. They can then increase gen times or add other objectives for survivors which will then make the game more fun for killers.
Imagine how much bigger the playerbase would have been if they did this from the start
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But you can interact with the killer, you're acting like you cant get any kind of hook trades happening at all when they're face camping. If i recall the only time that was ever a problem was when you could only unhook from one specific spot on hook. Do you never bring borrowed time cause that easily stops camping and always makes the killer have to go on another chase. Survivors seem like they dont want to give any kind of effort in game anymore.
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These are things that are considered a game design flaw in any multiplayer game, except DBD. Sorry, many do not understand the genius behind this.
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Yes cause sitting in front waiting for a down if someone tries to save them is the grand example of putting in effort.
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I'm tunneled fairly consistently in Overwatch as support, yet it's not considered a flaw there, if anything it's a failure of my team to properly protect squishies, same as in WoW when I was tunneled in BGs, wasn't considered a flaw there. Battlefield 4, not punished in any way whatsoever. What games do you mean?
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The killer caught that survivor and if they want that kill they can get it. If you aren't willing to do anything to help the situation then you cant really talk about effort.
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I always run borrowed time but it still doesn’t help the person being hard tunneled and face camped since the killer will still go after then even with borrowed time. Also you can’t go for hook saves when it is a killer like bubba or billy or a huntress with iri head cause they just insta down you anyways. Bottom line is that these strategies are a problem and everyone knows it
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Well, the current issue of killers getting their first hook when 3 gens are completed is being ignored. So killers resort to the only thing that's left.
Solve gen speed and the other issue will decrease.
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Gen speeds aren’t even that big of an issue. I’m a rank 3 killer and I rarely have issue with patrolling gens and stoping genrushing. People blow genrushing way out of proportion but I will agree it can be really stupid if it’s a 4 man swf running brand new part and prove thyself. Personally I think brand new part should just be removed
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Tunneling/camping aren't even that big of an issue. I'm a rank 3 survivor and I rarely have issue with killers who tunnel/camp. People blow tunneling/camping out of proportion but I will agree that facecamping NOED leatherface is really stupid. Personally I think NOED and LF should just get a some changes to fix these problems and that's it.
Personal experience is a wonderful and very unobjective thing you know.
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So you say gen rushing isn't an issue but at the same time it is an issue? Im glad you're a high rank killer with no problems playing the game but until games cant be completed in <5mins then killers will continue to do what they can to make the game somewhat enjoyable for themselves. Honestly being a high rank killer id expect you to have some kind of idea what gameplay at high levels are like but here we are with this post claiming that camping and tunneling are a problem when there are measures to prevent it.
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Lmfao imagine comparing tunnelling in dead by daylight to over watch 😂. In overwatch can you shoot back and can your team shoot back? Or do none of your teammates have guns like the other team 😂
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Almo said he thinks insidious bubba is pretty neat and he hard camps and tunnels object players. I dont expect it to go away anytime soon.
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Considering they made the Twins an actual killer, I don't think they really care
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I want to see your definition of camping or tunneling. Can you provide a video of what you see as camping or tunneling? And please include like, the whole match, so i can see the context around it.
I am convinced that, aside from literal face camping, survivors are complaining about killers camping when the best play in that given moment, is to camp.
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So I don’t have video as I play on Xbox but camping to me is literal face camping, the killer is standing staring at me not moving till I die. Hard tunneling to me is when a killer only goes after 1 person the whole match and will refuse to go after any other survivor even if they run past them doing gens, opening the exit gate etc.
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Is that the entire argument you've got?
Tunneling happens in every multiplayer game. It's only incessantly whined about in 1.
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"ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IGNORING THAT FACE CAMPING AND HARD TUNNELING ARE A GIANT PROBLEM"
Yes.
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I wasn’t arguing about anything. I was just laughing at one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve seen in this forum. And that says a lot 🤔
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The comment it was in reply to stated every multiplayer game aside from DbD treated tunneling as an issue. I chose to keep my reply within games I have first hand experience in. I would have added F13, except each Survivor there only had one life, so tunneling actually didn't happen, as it couldn't.
Have a nice day.
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They can say that all they want but when nearly every single survivor main absolutely hates it something needs to be done
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Survivors hate it cause they dont get to escape but doing everything the killers hates is fair game.
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Regardless it’s still a ridiculous comparison.
Have a nice day too.
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As soon as someone makes a good game that is more similar to dbd, I'll play that and use it for comparisons
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All problems come from the Survive With Friends feature.
Would the devil let you bring your friends to hell and have a jolly time? No. Why should the Entity? Too late to remove it now. That would mori the game. Better the devs leave it in the dying state.
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So what I'm getting is play better and get good.
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Probably not for a while. Trying to ascertain what is camping and what is tunneling is really, really difficult. Just look at the new DS; tapping a generator does not indicate you're getting tunneled, and getting in a locker does not indicate you are.
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I don’t think that’s fair game at all actually but the difference between camping/tunneling and things that survivors do that killers hate is that camping and tunneling literally take someone out of the game and tells them “you are not going to play today”. Survivors are not making the killer unable to play the game which is the difference here. Now I do 100% think that there is stuff on the survivor side that needs to be addressed but camping and tunneling is by far the most pressing matter.
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It takes someone out of the game yeah but they can just load into another one. Its like the concept of losing 1 match is so bad.
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It’s bad when it forces you to derank/depip and you had literally no way to prevent it. Your rank gets ######### over and you get kicked out of a game with 0 choice in the matter just because someone decided a they want to be a piece of ######### one game. It’s just poor desgin and needs to be fixed.
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Are we going to keep ignoring that killer is unplayable besides using nurse/spirit?
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First off how dare you not think my boy pyramid head is playable. That is indeed a problem that only 2 killers are viable and I agree that needs to be looked at. This post is just talking about these two problems since they are honestly the only things keeping me from fully enjoying this game. As a rank 3 killer I understand completely that it is frustrating not being able to play anything but spirit and nurse but I can still play Freddy, pyramid head, deathslinger, and trapper and have a ton of fun still.
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And here's Frosty's daily "I can't handle a challenge in a game that's clearly pissing me off"
I mean, I could ######### daily about less-than-intelligent moves from my fellow survivors the past couple days... or all the unhook farmers I've run into. But who needs that negativity.
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Okay, sure.
What do you want in return? The removal of the third hook state requirement for a sacrifice? You become exposed after the first time you are hooked for the remainder of the game?
You understand the game is balanced around these options existing correct? So you are going to have to massively buff killers not only because those options are removed, but because literally any "solution" to these "problems" is going to affect even people not tunneling or camping as well. Resulting in a massive nerf to both the killers and their options.
The level of power they need to give back to the killers in return I am not sure you are prepared for lol.
More likely, they will just make a new anti tunnel/anti camp perk or buff old ones like comraderie; which is a much better solution.
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Seria como pedirle a los supervivientes que dejen de hacer genrush. 😐
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