I'm starting to hate this game.
3rd Bubba in a ROW who's done this.
Hook someone in basement, camp, get someone else, camp...
And they say camping is okay for the game.
Go Figure.
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Im disappointed.
Bubba is not in the designated Bubba Corner. If he's going to uphold Bubba Basement Traditions he should be doing it right.
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They don't even hide it anymore.
They're proud and happy about camping!
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I started playing Bubba a lil while ago and it makes me sad that such a good killer is in basement with insidious the entire match
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It's a waste of time for everyone and most importantly, unfun.
It's an exploitation of the game's mechanic and just because the devs didn't flat out disprove of this, people started to take it for granted and made every single game a nightmare for everyone (except for the killer of course).
It made me feel sad seeing my other survivors trying to approach the basement for a rescue but just had to circle around and give up.
All the killer did was just do 360 turns using his mouse to scout the surroundings.
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I think my favorite thing, is that you can face camp as bubba all the way to, and maintain yourself at red rank 1 doing it haha.
God bless. I think it's second only to when you manage to 360 a saw and save someone from a face camp; and the Bubba rage disconnects; that's up there too.
I don't know why you would be mad, it's an honor to be chosen by the bubba.
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Unfun? Yes.
An exploit? Absolutely not.
The Devs have explicitly endorsed both camping and tunneling as valid strategies.
Just move onto the next game.
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I like that the image is called "camping.png"
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Must be a good strategy if it's worked 3 times in a row.
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Camping is an exploit.
It wasn't intended by the devs. They just happened to allow since it'll cause all the ruckus by the community.
Just like T-bagging is an exploit and moon-walking is.
Bubba was meant to be a one-shotable killer like Hillbilly, but people started to exploit that and devised a dumb strategy to camp.
Like I said, just because the devs allowed it to be "viable" it doesn't mean it's an intended result. Get that straight.
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Insidious basement bubba is a meme and if someone wants to meme around once in a while and play like that they can.
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Yeah, thats why INSIDOUS exists. Makes so much sense /not
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Was playing bubba yesterday and have fun with territorial imperetive, had 2 hooked in the basement and no-one showed on bbq, still left to let everyone get a good time. Had a bad chase and they all escaped, got t bagged and BM'ed at gates. What do you think i'm going to do next time?
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I think you need to do some research on the word exploit, especially in context with this game.
Absolutely none, not one, of any of your examples are in any way exploits.
You can teabag in any game where you can crouch. Same thing for any first person view multiplayer game.
I hate to break it to you, but camping existed before hillbilly was introduced....
And if you would have read my post correctly, you would have noticed that I stated that the Devs have EXPLICITLY stated that both camping and tunneling are ok. If you do a bit of research on the forum, I'm sure you can find the Devs response.
Get that straight 👍
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Tell'em
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Here is a definition of Exploit from Merriam Webster:
"to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage"
CAMPING IS AN EXPLOIT OF THE GAME'S DESIGN.
Got that now?
Geez now I must pull out the definition of words for yah? Just because you don't understand?
I specifically mentioned that Bubba was never intended to be a camping meme during his development.
Players, however started to exploit his capabilities and thus the whole camping Bubba started.
Teabagging is the same.
It's supposed to be used as a crouch mechanic and yet people started to use it as a toxic mean.
That's an exploit of the developer's game design.
Devs did state that camping and tunneling are viable, but they did say that it's not an optimal game decision. Meaning they have negative viewpoints about them.
Sheesh.
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Who are you to say what is or isn't intended by the game's design? Are you a developer?
Developers are the ones who design the game and have a say in what is or isn't intended. If they say it's not an exploit of the game's design, then it's not an exploit of the game's design, because they are the ones who designed it in the first place.
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So you really think camping was an intended feature of Dead By Daylight?
You are telling me that the devs during alpha, beta, testing & release all had camping in mind and were okay with it?
Dude, get real.
Camping was founded by the players.
You can do whatever sure, but at least acknowledge it was smth that was definitely not part of the game's inception and should be avoided since it's not the best way to play.
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Yet again I implore you to actually read my posts before pulling out a dictionary and replying.
I specifically said "in the context of this game".
An exploit, as widely accepted in the context of this game, is an unintended feature utilised and abused as a means to gain an unfair advantage.
The Devs make a point of patching out any known exploits, i.e. forever mending legion etc...
Teabagging is irritating but provides no unfair advantage.
Yes the Devs stated that camping is not an optimal game decision. Meaning that it's not optimal for the killers gameplay. I.e. it hurts the killer, in the form of pressure loss, BP's and depipping. It doesn't mean any other reason that you are trying to interpret it as.
If you are going to reply to me again, I would advise you to actually read my post properly, and think before clicking the post comment button.
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Facecamping - real facecamping, where the killer blocks the survivors' "unhook" interaction - was not intended. As such, it was fixed. That's the only type of camping that was not intended, and it was removed. What does that tell you?
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You literally added a few words in front of the definition I pulled out of, so go figure.
And plus, you should also read my post again before replying.
I said that camping was an exploit of the GAME'S DESIGN.
Meaning Dead By Daylight was meant to be played as a continuous, paced game, not sit and stare stimulation.
Is this so hard for people to understand? Why's everyone pretending that camping is not normal nor was it intended by the devs from the very start?
The devs frown upon tea-bagging, camping, tunneling and etc, but that doesn't mean they can straight-out ban it.
Because, like they said: "It's a viable option".
And I repeat myself again, sure do whatever you please, but what's so hard about acknowledging it's a literal exploit of a killer and a game mechanic 🤔?
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And I repeat myself again, sure do whatever you please, but what's so hard about acknowledging it's a literal exploit of a killer and a game mechanic 🤔?
Because it's simply not true. I will not "acknowledge" this any more than I will "acknowledge" the Earth is flat, and neither will anyone else.
You are not the person who determines what is or isn't intended, that's up to the devs. If they say it's intended, then that's the end of it.
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I mean, if you don't know a world-famous dictionary then that's not MY fault.
And no, that's not the definition of the word in this context.
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But they never said it was intended did they?
And knowing most developers, do you really think camping was a mechanic the devs were fully aware of?
Why would they frown upon it then, if they are perfectly fine with it?
I can read between the lines and deep down you know it's not a normal thing to do. It's just widely accepted now.
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But they never said it was intended did they?
Dunno, I don't read every statement they make. However, based on your question, I'm guessing they never said it wasn't intended either.
And knowing most developers, do you really think camping was a mechanic the devs were fully aware of?
Yes? It was there from day one, and they acknowledged real facecamping (and only real facecamping) as an exploit.
Why would they frown upon it then, if they are perfectly fine with it?
Just because it's not an exploit doesn't mean they're "perfectly fine with it". Those things are not related in any way.
For example, speed runners often use glitches to maximize the speed at which they complete games. Developers are fine with that, even though that's exploiting the game. One does not imply the other.
I can read between the lines and deep down you know it's not a normal thing to do. It's just widely accepted now.
"Reading between the lines" is often just "projecting my opinions onto someone else", which is what you're doing. If you don't even accept the devs' own words, how do you expect to argue your point?
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tbagging and moonwalking
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No. What actually happened was that you tried to prove a point by bringing out a particular dictionary definition of a word to fit your narrative. That's because you don't understand that context is king in discussions.
"Dead by Daylight was meant to be played as a continuous, paced gam, not sit and stare simulation." That is solely YOUR OPINION. Players are free to play the game in any way they see fit, within the established rules.
Have the Devs stated that they frown upon teabagging, camping or tunneling? If so, where have they stated this? If not, can you please stop trying to impose your own opinions in their place?
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Seriously if this thread is anything to go by, I think you need to do less "reading in between the lines" and more reading and comprehending of what is actually on the lines.
It will save you a lot in the long run.
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You really think Google has their own dictionary up their sleeves? Lol, that's a good one.
Merriam Webster is 190 years old.
Google takes everything from other sources, I thought you knew that by now.
And let me be clear once more:
"CAMPING IS AN EXPLOIT OF THE GAME'S DESIGN."
You see that word there? Design?
Yeah so no sh%^ Sherlock, it ain't a program related exploitation.
And if you still don't get it, don't even bother replying.
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Can you elaborate your point please?
A simple picture and a context-less caption doesn't really say much.
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You do realize this started off as a Bubba camping thing right?
It just happened to have strained into a general "camping" discussion.
Like I said, do whatever you please.
Camp, Tunnel, T-bag whatever.
But you should also acknowledge that it's a ridiculous decision for both parties. It's called self-reflection. People should try it more often.
And regarding devs' comments, I can't find the exact source but this post says it pretty clear.
So judging by the comments, the devs said it's okay, but they are frowning upon it saying it's dumb even for dumb killers.
So all in all, I still remain by the fact that Bubba is a killer who exploits camping to the max.
While I do dislike camping, it's a choice, but Bubba is just on a whole nother level.
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Like every other reply in this thread, you are grasping at the wrong end of the stick.
If you would have started a thread saying that face camping is scummy etc.. the I think most people would have been on board. Where you have lost everyone is whn you have tried to insist that it is specifically an exploit, as opposed to a cheap game tactic.
As your own words say, it is a dumb tactic. Meaning not beneficial to the killer. This does not equate to an exploit.
I'm glad that you brought up the concept of self reflection, as I feel it would serve you well to reflect on your tenuous grasp of this games core mechanics, as well as debates in general.
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I mean, you thought this was a debate?
Sorry to break it to you, but I don't find a simple forum post regarding a 5+ year old game a debate unless it's super serious.
You have your points, I have mine. Agree to disagree. And I never wanted to win everyone. Simple as that.
Ya'll are pretty much nobodies on the internet.
We'll never meet, talk nor spend time together so why would I even invest anything personal to you all? Silly.
Do what you wish and stay cool.
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I do not care how is is called.. It is ruining the game for everyone.. Esp. now around the rank reset killers seem to love to see survivors not have fun. And to me most of the killers do not understand that piping is not tied to BPs and rank is not tied to skills... Otherwise I have no idea why would anyone choose this over normal gameplay... You are either dumb, cruel or scum%bag and trying to kill this game from inside.
If that would be once in a Blue Moon, I would be fine with that. Or if it is Basement Bubba defending a chest. I do not care if I die, as long as I at least pip or have fun, but past few months, it seems that the killer base got worse. I am really considering to go and play just killer now, instead of both side, so at least some of the survivors can have fun.
I got killers sending us to the most broken map, yes I am talking about you Autohaven, just so they can camp easily bc they do not need to be afraid of pallets coz you know, there are non on one side of the map.. and if there are, they ain't working anyway coz you can get hit through them...
I really do not know if majority of the players I stand against are just cruel or compensating something, but if you get killers either camping or tunneling (or both) in 10 games in row, then there is something wrong with the game...
This stupid "tactic" used to be use by low rank killers back in the day, but now seems everyone loves to use it... If the bugs won't kill the game, the community deff will.. I stopped playing at 2017 for the same reason.. came back at 2020, got to red ranks and was hoping that this stupid sh%t is nowhere to be seen in red, oh boy I was wrong.
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Well, you started a conversation with your post. Others including myself raised logical, well thought out points to counter your post, and then comedy ensued, in the form of your following postulations.
Debate might not have been the appropriate word in retrospect.
Nobody is looking for anything from you. After all, we are all just nobodies on the internet.
Good luck with your next games.
I sincerely hope you don't run into any more basement dwelling Bubba's.
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Thanks.
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I'm actually surprised you survivors fell for it tbh..... I really hope these aren't rank 1 survivors, because if they are.....man....the overall skill level has really taken a bad turn.....
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You deserve it.
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Perks are exploits
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0:45 ‐ Camping
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I can't take you serious if you say that Camping is a xploit when we have perks that favors this playstyle xD.
If you are upset with the game, unninstall It or take a break.
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Holy ######### this entire thread was gold.
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But camping is really not unfair. It's not fun, true, but it is fair. For one kill, the killer throws the match as long as the survivors know what to do in a camping situation. Survivor is a team player role, the devs are the ones who set what is fair, not you. They believe fair and balanced is 2 kills 2 escapes. At most, a camping killer will get is 2 kills if they're against competent players.
Want camping to go away? Tell players to stop feeding it. I was just camped by a Hillbilly, literally a couple of minutes ago, and the Hillbilly won. You know why? All of my random teammates stopped working on gens and hovered around the basement. we had 2 gens complete and the gen I was chased off of was at 85%. If they worked on the gens they could have all escaped, especially since the killer was bad at loops.
Killers sacrifice pressure for one kill, I would say that is fine. Just like everyone believes killers aren't entitled to a 4K, survivors aren't entitled to a 4 man escape.
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So If the killer doesn't play the way you want , you get upset and leave the game.
Atm I have 4928 hours played, Rank 1 Since I cant remember and I play Basement Bubba, Iri Head Huntress and Pinkyfinger clow when I want.
The Game is not going to die because players try to have fun, because for me is funny tunneling people, sometimes facecamp and is legit so, adapt or leave
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You really can't. being in proximity to the hook will destroy your emblems and stop you getting a pip.
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😀 If you're not camping you're not playing killer correctly. 😆
It's easier to sit by the hook guarantee a kill and wait for survivors to come to the hook then to go hunt them down and earn the kill.
It sucks there's nothing you can do sorry buddy.
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Because they know all survivors do anymore is dive bomb hooks. They don't even wait for the killer to leave. They just farm hooks. I can't tell you how often this happens in solo matches.
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I've got a feeling it didn't go exactly as the OP hoped it would.
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Just a hunch.
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I never see camping in red ranks. There's just not enough time.
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