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If survivors couldn't look directly behind their player model, how would that impact the game.
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Good Lord you mean a little Nerf that might actually make killer as a threat. Mostly due to the fact that survivors can look behind goddamn walls and Killers can't.
Now you're just talking Madness. The devs would never do such a balance change to make killers and actual threat in an asymmetrical game.12 -
Love the sarcasam but this would seriously helpCountfunkular said:Good Lord you mean a little Nerf that might actually make killer as a threat. Mostly due to the fact that survivors can look behind goddamn walls and Killers can't.
Now you're just talking Madness. The devs would never do such a balance change to make killers and actual threat in an asymmetrical game.5 -
This would turn DBD into an actual horror game, but ofc its never gonna happen because it would be a quite a survivor nerf
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I don't even use it when running to hard it should be FP with the 4 exception's on a gen so you can see around you/if you decide to use fp when on it you can fix faster but at the risk of being caught unawares when a hag traps triggered so you can move away from it faster without being disoriented from a pov turn when in a trapper trap but like the gen you can go in to fp to break out easier and on the hook to see where others are coming to help/to see if a insidious camper hits youDeadByFlashlight said:This would turn DBD into an actual horror game, but ofc its never gonna happen because it would be a quite a survivor nerf
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Personally. I don't mind that survivors are in third person, I think just not being able to completely look behind them would be enough of a nerf to make killers powerful.
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This is really what makes it not a horror game. Things are a little too bright and the 3rd person is a crutch to a point it makes the game not scary at all because you can do a complete 360 degree scan of the area to make sure the killer isn't near7
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It would be super fun i think to drop 3rd person for survivors and balance around it. It would definitely uproot just about every complaint i commonly hear.
Plus it would scare the shite out of me alot.
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Always thought they should make a separate game mode, in which survivors are also first person and there is no killer radius/blood stain. The only time you hear the music is when the killer appears in your field of view. That'd make some pretty badass jump scares.
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Wish list thisSilas said:Always thought they should make a separate game mode, in which survivors are also first person and there is no killer radius/blood stain. The only time you hear the music is when the killer appears in your field of view. That'd make some pretty badass jump scares.
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Believe me I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic I was actually saying that mostly due to the fact that the devs would never do it because there isn't any asymmetrical balance in this game. Believe me it would help a lot1
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First person survivors, only if hearing a killers movements is more important, and if survivors can go prone/crawl for more stealth.
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@KillJiggy said:
If survivors couldn't look directly behind their player model, how would that impact the game.I would hesitate to buy cosmetics.
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I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.
It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
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@SenzuDuck said:
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
I think it could work, just keep the 3rd person view just don't let them look behind them. If they tested it we could all see how it works and you could still stealth it's just that it would be a little more difficult. It could also upgrade the killers mindgame potential around pallets. It would need lots of testing before actually making it into the game though.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
I think it could work, just keep the 3rd person view just don't let them look behind them. If they tested it we could all see how it works and you could still stealth it's just that it would be a little more difficult. It could also upgrade the killers mindgame potential around pallets. It would need lots of testing before actually making it into the game though.
I just don't think it would work, honestly.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
I think it could work, just keep the 3rd person view just don't let them look behind them. If they tested it we could all see how it works and you could still stealth it's just that it would be a little more difficult. It could also upgrade the killers mindgame potential around pallets. It would need lots of testing before actually making it into the game though.
I just don't think it would work, honestly.
You may be right about that but like I said it never hurts to try, and if it doesn't work then they could just abandon it. That's what the PTB is for.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
I think it could work, just keep the 3rd person view just don't let them look behind them. If they tested it we could all see how it works and you could still stealth it's just that it would be a little more difficult. It could also upgrade the killers mindgame potential around pallets. It would need lots of testing before actually making it into the game though.
I just don't think it would work, honestly.
You may be right about that but like I said it never hurts to try, and if it doesn't work then they could just abandon it. That's what the PTB is for.
The PTB isn't really for randomly testing new camera modes, I don't think.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
I think it could work, just keep the 3rd person view just don't let them look behind them. If they tested it we could all see how it works and you could still stealth it's just that it would be a little more difficult. It could also upgrade the killers mindgame potential around pallets. It would need lots of testing before actually making it into the game though.
I just don't think it would work, honestly.
You may be right about that but like I said it never hurts to try, and if it doesn't work then they could just abandon it. That's what the PTB is for.
The PTB isn't really for randomly testing new camera modes, I don't think.
Lol you got me there. Though I'm fairly sure it's for testing out balance changes and new content, so a new camera mode could count as both of those things. Eh we'll leave it up to the devs, maybe they'll come up with something good.
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Would like it as an option, horror aspect really doesn't come through when the survivor can spin their head like in the Exorcist ( which is a weird statement in itself)2
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Every day I thank the Entity that none of you are devs.
The entire game would need to be changed and rebalanced for this to be possible. How would you avoid Michael's stalking? How could you avoid the Huntress' hatchets, the Nurse's blinks, chainsaw attacks, or the Doctor's shocks? How would you have any inkling where Freddy, Wraith or the crouched Pig are coming from? You would waste so many pallets, take so many wrong turns directly into the killer.
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@brokedownpalace said:
Every day I thank the Entity that none of you are devs.The entire game would need to be changed and rebalanced for this to be possible. How would you avoid Michael's stalking? How could you avoid the Huntress' hatchets, the Nurse's blinks, chainsaw attacks, or the Doctor's shocks? How would you have any inkling where Freddy, Wraith or the crouched Pig are coming from? You would waste so many pallets, take so many wrong turns directly into the killer.
But that's what these killers want, they want an ez life because putting effort in to achieve a win is just too much hard work.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
Someone asks a question, a valid question, in a serious manner and, shock and awe, the usual suspects come out with "LULZ kllurs wahnt ez 4k". Ignore them, they're so afraid that their ez survivor wins may be taken away from them that they do anything and everything to distract from actual constructive discussions.I think the POV system in this game needs a huge overhaul. The killer POV is so limited and broken that it's become a valid and well-used strategy to actually turn and run into the killer to avoid getting hit. Survivors will crouch at a killer's feet to stymie him because the killer can't see them. At his feet. Why? Because the developers of this game are not good at their jobs.
The fact that survivors have third person mode gives them a tremendous advantage over killers. Which is ridiculous since killers are supposed to be stalking the survivors. This is made impossible by the fact that survivors can see behind them and around corners while doing things like working on gens. It gives survivors too much of a strategic advantage over killers. They can start working on a gen in a well-hidden place but still see around corners, downstairs, or through windows that they should not be able to. Survivors have more supernatural powers than the killer does.
That's not to say that putting survivors into the third person wouldn't require some major system reworks. I think maps could be more interesting/fun with generator placement; do you nestle into a spot that's well hidden but keeps your vision obscured or do you work on a gen in a spot that gives you a decent field of view but also puts you at jeopardy of being seen? These are decisions survivors don't have to make currently. Some perks and things may need to be adjusted as well and we may need to say goodbye to some things like 0 terror radius but it'd be worth it for a better POV system.
Unfortunately, the game may be so far developed with the idea of survivors with their god view and killers having blinders that there may be too many things that need to be tweaked at this point for such a change to take place. It's just something we may have to hope for with the inevitable DbD 2.
I don't think you realise how fun this game would be when survivors are staring at the inside of a generator for half the match, any of these devs would laugh at the prospect of putting survivors into first person because it just doesn't work, your bias is once again showing.
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@ZombieGenesis
I know you're referring to me. I'll talk about the game with people who actually play and like Dead by Daylight. I'm not gonna entertain this victim complex nightmare delusion you've constructed in your head.2 -
brokedownpalace said:@ZombieGenesis
I know you're referring to me. I'll talk about the game with people who actually play and like Dead by Daylight. I'm not gonna entertain this victim complex nightmare delusion you've constructed in your head.Relax broke, he's obviously talking about me.It's so hard being toxic. 🔦✨✨✨🖱️🖱️🖱️3 -
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Who?
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Kind of hard to pull off that BS when I can just go into my comment history and see the many times we've argued. Nice try, though.ZombieGenesis said:@brokedownpalace I have no idea who the [BAD WORD] you are.
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You're right. He doesn't even know who I am. I am now distraught. 😭Visionmaker said:brokedownpalace said:@ZombieGenesis
I know you're referring to me. I'll talk about the game with people who actually play and like Dead by Daylight. I'm not gonna entertain this victim complex nightmare delusion you've constructed in your head.Relax broke, he's obviously talking about me.It's so hard being toxic. 🔦✨✨✨🖱️🖱️🖱️2 -
I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions.
No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode.1 -
@ZombieGenesis said:
Maybe the devs should have thought of that before having gens be the primary focus of survivor gameplay. If you don't think the POV system in this game is broken you're not just biased, you're being willfully dense. Not that I expect any less from the likes of you.My bias stems from stems from a desire for a fun and tense game for both survivors and killers. Where does yours come from? The desire to be a twat 24/7? Trying to achieve some world record for being an obtuse douchebag? Or maybe you're just not very smart.
Ooft, he's upset.
I personally think it's more of a"This is how the devs wanted the game to be, and it's a solid construct as YOURE STILL PLAYING IT". Are you forgetting every time you load this game up you're supporting the mere concept of this game?
If you're so upset and on edge about this feature THAT IS A CORE PART of this game, you can quite easily move on sweetheart, there's millions of other games out there.
The game isn't impossible because of the POV
The game isn't impossible because of SWF
The game isn't impossible because of Camping
The game isn't impossible because of Tunneling
The game isn't impossible if your totem gets broken
The game isn't impossible if you get mori'd within 1 minuteJust a few of the complaints that people would like to act make the game impossible, but are simply a case of the "Get Goods".
The whole point of a survivor is to survive, and juke when possible. If you can only see straight ahead you can't pick a good object to duck behind, you can't get off a gen when Mikey is in tier one, you can't dodge a nurse blinking at you, you can't dodge a huntress hatchet, you can't swing away from a rapid billy chainsaw.
The killer abilities aren't overpowered because they're semi counterable by POV, which makes them fun and engaging to go against when playing survivor.
Lets just take away all the survivor fun because hey, once again, you want the EZ PZ Win.
Freaking whiners.
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@Tsulan said:
I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions.
No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode.I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating.
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Where did I say anything about switching? Just first person camera. You can look around (still first person) up to a certain angle while doing a totem, chest, gen, etc.SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions.
No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode.I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating.
Just like the camera in any flight simulator. You can freely move your head to look around, but don't do a 360.1 -
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@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions.
No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode.
I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating.
Where did I say anything about switching? Just first person camera. You can look around (still first person) up to a certain angle while doing a totem, chest, gen, etc.
Just like the camera in any flight simulator. You can freely move your head to look around, but don't do a 360.
Sorry, misread your comment, you mean like peeking left and right, I read it as coming into third person as you're doing actions, my apologies.
I still think this runs into the issue of certain things like, you're still staring at a generator most of the match, some generators are placed where looking left and right would be staring straight at a wall, which would prevent you seeing something like a T1 Myers coming, or the direction that a nurse is blinking.
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And this is a bad thing?SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions.
No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode.
I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating.
Where did I say anything about switching? Just first person camera. You can look around (still first person) up to a certain angle while doing a totem, chest, gen, etc.
Just like the camera in any flight simulator. You can freely move your head to look around, but don't do a 360.
Sorry, misread your comment, you mean like peeking left and right, I read it as coming into third person as you're doing actions, my apologies.
I still think this runs into the issue of certain things like, you're still staring at a generator most of the match, some generators are placed where looking left and right would be staring straight at a wall, which would prevent you seeing something like a T1 Myers coming, or the direction that a nurse is blinking.
The moments where this game shines the most (at least for me) are the jump scares when I get grabbed off the gen by Myers. Or when I run straight into him.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
Hey kids, we're back with another episode of "Killer mains say the darndest things".
You and your "ez win lulz" comments. So the answer is "I'm not that smart" then, huh? Though, since you brought it up(and are the only one who ever brings it up because apparently there's only so much room in that tiny little brain of yours) why shouldn't killers get a sweet taste of that ez win survivor life you've been enjoying for the past 2.5 years?
Except, I do pretty well as killer also, this is where your bias shows, clearly. "Hey, I think survivors have been having it easy, but I want to have it easy now, so I want all these op changes". Your comments aren't made to make the game balanced, you clearly just want that "sweet taste of ez" thus proving my point that the majority of killers on this forum just want an ez game, good job on proving the point I made.
Shockingly, you've finally said something worth reading "killer abilities aren't overpowered". Nope, because crappy gamers like yourself make sure killers will never, you know, feel like they're actually in the power role.
You're the one calling me stupid but this comment is literally you wanting killer abilities to be overpowered. OVERPOWERED, do you know what that means in an online game, you want it to be unbeatable. I'd like to argue this, I've never said this on the forums to someone before but I'm clearly just a better player than you sweetheart. I 3K pretty much every killer game, I'm anti hatch stand off and usually just give the other survivor it if I can, and guess what? I don't need to come here and beg for changes because I do ok.
You're right about one other thing, I can move on. From these forums at least. Again, someone asks a legit question and you and your squad of imbecilic douchebags show up and do nothing but insult and derail. Well, congrats this is one less toxic killer main the forums will have to deal with.
Down below is the original comment I made, it specifically states why I don't think first person would work, I didn't derail this thread you came in here insulting people, like you usually do, and then blame others.
I don't think people realise the only reason -this- game works is because of third person view for the survivors.
It wouldn't be very fun for a survivor if they couldn't see where the killer is when they're running in between certain objects, it would make stealth incredible useless, as the only way you can convincingly hide from something is if you can see it.
I wouldn't mind if they tried it, but I really don't think it would make the game better and would in fact make it unfun for the other side.
You and the mods who refuse to keep these forums properly moderated and the other whiny survivor main douchebags can all eat a juicy bag of dicks.
Except this is the fourth or fifth time you've gone into a thread I've commented on where you've personally attacked me for no reason other than we share a differing opinion.
As for "all the whiny survivors" there's literally 10 threads a day begging for killers to be buffed up the booty. Also play killer, so just someone wanting some balance, but as there's so many killer related beg threads you see me in there most often.
That's all we had time for today Kids, I hope you have a happy fun filled day, and don't forget, A Mori A Day Keeps The Entity At Bay.
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@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said: I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions. No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode. I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating. Where did I say anything about switching? Just first person camera. You can look around (still first person) up to a certain angle while doing a totem, chest, gen, etc.
Just like the camera in any flight simulator. You can freely move your head to look around, but don't do a 360.
Sorry, misread your comment, you mean like peeking left and right, I read it as coming into third person as you're doing actions, my apologies.
I still think this runs into the issue of certain things like, you're still staring at a generator most of the match, some generators are placed where looking left and right would be staring straight at a wall, which would prevent you seeing something like a T1 Myers coming, or the direction that a nurse is blinking.
And this is a bad thing?
The moments where this game shines the most (at least for me) are the jump scares when I get grabbed off the gen by Myers. Or when I run straight into him.
Or Hag traps...Yes, it's absolutely a bad thing. Imagine a world where everyone just plays T1 myers and you get grabbed off the generator every time because there's no counter, what a fun world.
I absolutely love the times I get grabbed off the gen because I wasn't paying attention, do I think I would love it if It happened 3 times a game and there was nothing I could do about it? God no.
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Good point by point takedown of that comment @SenzuDuck. You have more patience than me.0
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@brokedownpalace said:
Good point by point takedown of that comment @SenzuDuck. You have more patience than me.
game is impossible btw.
ahaha my face in that last one is golden.
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@SenzuDuck
Those are clearly photoshopped! 😤
PS. There is little I find more frustrating to play against than a skilled Freddy. It just feels hopeless lol.0 -
@brokedownpalace said:
@SenzuDuckThose are clearly photoshopped! 😤
PS. There is little I find more frustrating to play against than a skilled Freddy. It just feels hopeless lol.
I know, look at those unbeatable ninja SWFs, with their 20 perk advantage using Discord & bullying me.
I dunno, I don't really like freddy but I always seem to well with him, they had two gens left at the end of that match, good times :chuffed:
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Good grief... So much pointless ######### in this thread. Is it not possible to have one discussion without bickering?
@KillJiggy said:
If survivors couldn't look directly behind their player model, how would that impact the game.Since you clarified later than you only mean directly behind them, not a change to POV etc. etc. then you'd make escaping and looping difficult. You could still look behind you, you'd just have to turn your body slightly which would ruin your chances of escape while running. Not necessarily a bad thing... but I'd probably vote for 'no' on this because it'd still require a lot of testing and balancing to deal with.
I'm not even getting into the whole first-person POV nonsense. That'd make it a different game. I'd rather the devs work on the actual problems and make DbD into something great, instead of shifting towards DbD2.
Edit: I can't spell. Why hasn't this coffee started working yet!?!
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said: I think survivors should be first person and able to look around while performing actions. No 360, but maybe 270. Being able to look over the shoulder. They could use this for a hardcore mode. I think switching between first and third would be quite disorentating. Where did I say anything about switching? Just first person camera. You can look around (still first person) up to a certain angle while doing a totem, chest, gen, etc.
Just like the camera in any flight simulator. You can freely move your head to look around, but don't do a 360.
Sorry, misread your comment, you mean like peeking left and right, I read it as coming into third person as you're doing actions, my apologies.
I still think this runs into the issue of certain things like, you're still staring at a generator most of the match, some generators are placed where looking left and right would be staring straight at a wall, which would prevent you seeing something like a T1 Myers coming, or the direction that a nurse is blinking.
And this is a bad thing?
The moments where this game shines the most (at least for me) are the jump scares when I get grabbed off the gen by Myers. Or when I run straight into him.
Or Hag traps...Yes, it's absolutely a bad thing. Imagine a world where everyone just plays T1 myers and you get grabbed off the generator every time because there's no counter, what a fun world.
I absolutely love the times I get grabbed off the gen because I wasn't paying attention, do I think I would love it if It happened 3 times a game and there was nothing I could do about it? God no.
So T1 Myers is suddenly OP?
It´s not like you could look around or anything.1 -
@Tsulan said:
So T1 Myers is suddenly OP?
It´s not like you could look around or anything.Are... are you serious?
In a first person world, with zero terror radius, he would absolutely be OP. An addon where he can see through walls and know that a survivor can't do heck all about it because they can't see him coming.jfc, how are you not getting that, knowing where you are, and you can't see him and he knows EXACTLY where you are, damn right he'd be pretty OP.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@brokedownpalace said:
Good point by point takedown of that comment @SenzuDuck. You have more patience than me.game is impossible btw.
ahaha my face in that last one is golden.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
YawnOoooook...
Look at all those Dstrikes and self cares that plague rank one!!!!!!!!
Also 3 WGLF so they were probably farming the crap out of each other, good job!Might wanna check your own screenshots. 1 DS in all 3.
But you still try to belittle me.Why am i even bothering answering you. You´ll just find another excuse to feel superior.
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@Tsulan said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Tsulan said:
YawnOoooook...
Look at all those Dstrikes and self cares that plague rank one!!!!!!!!
Also 3 WGLF so they were probably farming the crap out of each other, good job!Might wanna check your own screenshots. 1 DS in all 3.
But you still try to belittle me.Why am i even bothering answering you. You´ll just find another excuse to feel superior.
Exactly, four matches, 1 DS. DS is annoying as heck but people still make it out like every survivor and their dog is running it.
I mean, you post one game, of a two kill freddy match, where all gens have been done and they're all farming in an attempt to downplay my match, you literally commented "Yawn". You're the one belittling sweetheart.
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