Which Killer's do you believe need a rework/buff/nerf?
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Myers and pig
Myers is just old design. Remove his stalk limit and letting him activate T3 on command is a good start
Pig has an rng based power and an inconsistent stealth/chase power
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Daddy Myers, Uncle Trapper and Mommy Pig
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Legion
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Legion is fine lol
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He really isn't.
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You meant they because they are group :(
But no dude, i dont agree you. They are fine, i love play as them or against them. Maybe they can get buff because red ranks survivors strong usually. But i dont think Legion needs another rework.
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Even though they've just done Demogorgon... they still need to make his footsteps silent when walking out of a portal.
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He's badly designed and feels miserable to play, Survivors still despise him as well.
I can literally list everything that makes him awful, if you like.
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Yep. He's not that fun to play against and feel bad to play vs good survivor. If you buff him you just make it more unfun to play against. There's nothing they can do.
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Well yes do it, i am wondering your opinion. And with change ideas ofcourse. But for me Legion is fine. They are good with good builds.
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Precisely. You can't buff Legion because buffing him makes him extremely oppressive and even less fun.
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- Legion loses half his power on a successful M1.
- Legion all of his power upon a miss in FF.
- FF takes FAR too long to recharge.
- FF drops FPS on Console significantly, making it difficult to track and hit Survivors.
- FF has a 4 second stun.
- FF has a stun longer than Nurse's stun.
- FF is countered by running in a straight line. There is no way the Legion can catch you if you do so.
- Two of his add-ons are totally useless (Frank's Mixtape and Stab Wound Study)
- Any add-on that increases Killer Instinct range is also pretty awful.
- His vault puts you in an awkward spot where you have to guess if a Survivor is going to try to vault through you.
- His power is countered by not healing.
- His win condition is whether or not Survivors heal, if they do, he usually wins.
- He becomes an M1 Killer and using your power oftentimes hurts you, if Survivors have any game knowledge of how to beat you.
Legion cannot be buffed in his current state because of the way the Devs designed him. If he gets buffed, he become extremely oppressive and reminiscent of old Legion, which nobody wants. Currently, I have Survivors DC on me all the time because of how miserable it is to play against him, and I've asked other Legion's I play against (when I play Survivor) and they agree that it isn't very fun to play with him either.
I made a thread over a year ago detailing the changes I'd make to him, so I can link you that, if you'd like.
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I do think deathslinger need a change maybe a rework so he can become fun for both sides.
Pig rng is annoying and not fun, it also make her inconsistent with her games as she might have good luck or her traps don't do any impact. So they need to change her to make her more consistent with her traps and makes some changes to her ambush and stealth to make it better to use and maybe change her add-ons to change up her ambush and traps for different playable and for fun.
pyramid head should get some changes on power so it doesn't feel stiff and enjoyable to use.
I don't really like deathslinger or pyramid head, they aren't fun in my opinion to verse and to play.
really love to see them change for the better and maybe get some creative add-on while they're at it
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Twins need a rework. They are a really unique Killer with a lot of potential but they are way to reliant on camping and slugging to do fine and with the upcoming Patch they even get nerfed which changes nothing of their Core Problems but adds even more weaknesses to them.
Spirit needs a rework/nerf. It's just painful to go against her. I don't mind a Nurse Tier Killer but atleast give her more counterplay than just guessing.
DS needs a slight nerf. A short cooldown so he can't spam his gun and get's zoning for free.
Almost every Killer should be more or less buffed.
The only Killer i consider strong and balanced are Nurse, Blight, Huntress, P Head, Oni, Bubba, Hag and Freddy.
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Spirit nerf
Trapper buff
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Rework: Myers, Twins
Buff: Pig, Trapper
Nerf: Spirit
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Thank you for sharin your opinion. Some of them you are right. But point is Legion is m1 killer yes but different one. Him power keeps survivors injured statu. So if survivors heal, Legion will have so much time and can get them injured again fastly. If they wont heal, they will down with one hit. That is him counter and power. I think that is fair. Legion is not S or A tier but he is good B tier. So i dont think he needs rework. Maybe buff base-kit or add-ons.
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Spirit: they need to remove her ability to phase walk
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Myers need an update.
All killers are way to fast.
The wraith to op with his speed boost coming out of his cloke
And all killer lunge range should not be greater than 3 meters. Like how you gonna have a 4 ft killer that got the arm range of shaq or a clown that super fast can slow you down and got a super far lunge?
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Spirit, Deathslinger, Nurse and Trapper, Myers, Pig are all in need of some serious reworking. As is Trickster.
Blight, PH, Legion, Plague, Huntress, Ghostface, Doctor and Billy need some tweaks.
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Going down in one-hit is misleading. Survivors still have Dead Hard which essentially gives them an extra health state.
Likewise, other Killers that have easy first hits are also low on tier lists, for example, Wraith and Myers.
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I dont see how anyone have so many issues with spirit. I almost always get away from her and if you play your perks right she cant really track you. I do think she could have some changes or reworks but my only issues with her is the lunge and thats with all killers. Lunge is to far and with the auto aim system is trash wish it had an option to turn it off
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S A U C E?
Sorry, I mean link?
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That's the thread. It's been quite some time since I posted that.
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trickster
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Spirit - make her anti-loop less obnoxious but give her more map mobility
Deathslinger - Same.
Stealth and dash needs buffs for pig.
Plague needs to be able to inject corrupt purge on any pool.
Myers needs a rework. Either make evil within 3 worth being difficult to obtain and have limited uses, or remove the whole tier 1 nonsense and let him tier 3 as many times as he wants. He still wouldn't be a great killer with the later option.
Trapper needs to have all his traps from the beginning. Beyond that, I have no idea. What exactly do you do with Trapper other than make him able to telekinetically rearm his traps or something? Clearly BHVR doesn't want them hidden judging by reworked grass.
Trickster is simply ok, but I'd like to see his power reworked. A Gatling-gun style killer just conceptually doesn't work in DBD.
Twins should be able to switch quicker.
Legion needs their fatigue to be back to their old numbers. Perhaps they need a status effect for a second frenzy hit rather than lethality.
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Spirit, rework-nerf.
Myers, rework-buff.
Pig, QOL-buffs.
Ghostie, QOL-buffs.
Hillbilly, base kit reversion.
Trapper, buffs.
Clown, rework-buff.
Twins, rework, completely.
Trickster, buffs.
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Boy do I have the thread for you (shameless plug).
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I've never had people complain about Legion when I play them. And when they do, it has nothing to do with Legion. They unironically got mad over M1 mind games. Not every survivor has release Legion PTSD. They 100% need to have some of the changes reverted. The instant they removed the ability to lower deep wounds with consecutive hits, the problem was solved. Well, aside from mixtape, which is why Legion shouldn't be able to use the power at partial gauge. Really mixtape needs entirely reworked, but BHVR is just sitting on Legion doing nothing with them.
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What about Legion :(
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I don't think any killer needs a nerf.
I think the Devs need to buff the bad killers instead of nerfing the good one's and stop bringing them down to the same level as the bad killers.
1. Legion (Buff): Allow Legion 2 swing attempts while in Frenzy, allow Legion to see scratch marks while in Frenzy, and Turn Frank's Mixtape into an Ultra rare add-on that will down survivors with 3 hits from Frenzy, downside is that it recharges the power slowly. (This gives the killer an option, chase and down them now or wait for power to recharge and down them.)
2. Pig (Buff): Increase Pig's crouched movement speed to normal to put her on par with Ghostface. (It's ridiculous that he can do the same thing as her but faster.) When going for her dash attack she should roar as she's doing it not before she does it. (This will increase her odds on landing the attack instead of alerting survivors before she actually does it.)
3. Trapper (Buff): Just allow the man to carry all of his traps at the beginning of the game. If he wants his traps back he'll have to go to the locations where he left them to pick them back up.
4. Myers (Buff): Honestly it's hard to buff him because he could easily become a top 5 killer if over buffed. He definitely needs his add-ons reworked, he only has a handful of useful ones.
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Because if you buff them right now, they can very easily become that oppressive release Legion again.
Reduce his stun? He loses too little distance and hitting someone with FF is a free down.
Reduce the cooldown? Survivors have no hope of juking his power and having it be meaningful.
Legion needs a rework, sort of like what I proposed over a year ago, to help him get away from an altered design off of a broken original design.
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Not really, because his power is no longer lethal.
Legion's fatigue is literally twice as long as Nurse's fatigue. Reducing it back to 3 seconds (the same as a wipe animation) will not suddenly cause Legion to become OP.
Even if it was 15 seconds, that is meaningful. Any chase where it takes longer than 20 seconds to get a hit is one you want to avoid as killer.
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Legion needs a rework. Knew I was forgetting something. Definitely plan to make a thread about all killers that need a rework. So far I've got Myers, Legion, Clown, Freddy, and an outdated Trapper and Ghostie thread. I spend a lot more time than I should here.
I wanna go back and redo my Trapper and Ghostie threads. Just dropped the Myers one. My Legion thread was pretty popular, which I appreciate. Just needs additional threats to keep track of and introduce the group.
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Legion is in the most desperate need of a complete rework, even if you're one of the interesting folks that think they're good, you still cant say Feral Frenzy is a healthy power for the game, an inherently 0 skill power that ignores all mechanics just aint it
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I also made a Legion rework thread, back in 2019, I can link you it if you wish.
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Link it, I like seeing your input!
Here's mine as well:
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Here it is.
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Bubba- slight nerf. Limit his ability to block basement and hook camp with his saw. It just isn't really fun for anyone involved
Spirit, -nerf her so she can't always find you no matter what with stridor
Myers, rework-buff. Id say allow him to multi stalk and remove stalking cap would be a good start
Pig, QOL-buffs. She really needs something to her after last gen is done since her entire kit cant be used after last gen. Her rng nature is also terrible
Ghostie, adjust- his whole deal is still pretty inconsistent
Hillbilly, addon buffs. Most just are bad
Trapper, buffs. He needs buffs in a lot of areas, one being him being able to step on his own traps is bad
Clown, rework-buff. His rework was one of the worst reworks since they just added something to happen that didn't solve his problems and it can actually cancel (and buff survivors) his old items
Twins, adjust- discourage the typical slugging gameplay
Trickster, buffs. He just isn't that great. Add ricochet to base
Huntress- Slight buff. Give her actually decent ultra rare addons. Both are mediocre now
Freddy- adjust. With the ptb he is no longer better at anything than any other killer. Give him something that's interesting at least instead of nerfs across the board. Likely needs a buff as well
Legion-slight buff/adjust. Id say he could use some love since he us potentially the most complained about killer I've seen as being unfun to use but super unfun to play against
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