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Wraith

GhostRoaster29
GhostRoaster29 Member Posts: 19
edited June 2018 in General Discussions

He needs a buff. That's all I have to say ...

Comments

  • Swiftblade131
    Swiftblade131 Member Posts: 2,051

    At least he is better than Freddy :lol:

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

  • SeducedByDaemonette
    SeducedByDaemonette Member Posts: 300

    At least he is better than Freddy :lol:

    He isn't 
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

  • The_Manlet
    The_Manlet Member Posts: 474

    Wraith needs a complete rework. A killer who can only cloak and nothing else is worthless. You could just play Pig for pretty much the same effect, not that she doesn't get hard-countered by sprint burst just as badly if not worse.

    Wraith is a relic of what this game was back in the summer of 2016, when a killer's gimmick could be that he cloaks and finds people easier and that's it. He's old and tired in 2018, hell, he was old and tired by the end of 2016. You could buff him, but he'll always be low tier and uninteresting as long as his design philosophy is that he cloaks and uncloaks with nothing else. Not at all like Freddy, who could actually be mid-tier with just a few changes, but would still be cancer to play against.

  • The_Manlet
    The_Manlet Member Posts: 474
    edited June 2018

    @SeducedByDaemonette said:
    Swiftblade131 said:

    At least he is better than Freddy :lol:

    He isn't 

    Wraith is absolutely better than Freddy. Wraith has a nearly worthless power with no downsides. Freddy has a nearly worthless power with tons of downsides. Wraith can completely ignore his power, Freddy cannot. Wraith can camp and defend objectives, Freddy cannot. If Wraith is naked, then Freddy has been flayed.

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

    Ambush killers are weak because they're envisioned around sneaking up to get the first hit in for free, and then chasing, worse than most killers, but the target is already wounded so the chase is shorter. This playstyle is completely invalidated by Sprint Burst, which guarantees that you will be able to always find a safe pallet to loop around. Try running something like Lithe or Dead Hard instead of Sprint Burst and you'll be surprised at how much you suddenly fear Myers and Pig. Sprint Burst is a broken perk, arguably more overpowered than Decisive Strike.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

    To make him a viable ambush killer, he should be able to hit while being cloaked. This would uncloak him and everything else applies. But that would be an ambush killer.

  • The_Manlet
    The_Manlet Member Posts: 474

    @Tsulan said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

    To make him a viable ambush killer, he should be able to hit while being cloaked. This would uncloak him and everything else applies. But that would be an ambush killer.

    I'd make it so that he can only hit them while cloaked if they are in a certain health state. Probably the healthy state. Then he has to uncloak to hit them again while they are injured.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @Tsulan said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

    To make him a viable ambush killer, he should be able to hit while being cloaked. This would uncloak him and everything else applies. But that would be an ambush killer.

    +1
    Right now with everybody running SB anyway, Wraith has a hard time getting ambush hits.
    No matter how they shortened the time to hear and react to the bingbong, it is still enough to just hit sprint and boost away.

  • SeducedByDaemonette
    SeducedByDaemonette Member Posts: 300

    @SeducedByDaemonette said:
    Swiftblade131 said:

    At least he is better than Freddy :lol:

    He isn't 

    Wraith is absolutely better than Freddy. Wraith has a nearly worthless power with no downsides. Freddy has a nearly worthless power with tons of downsides. Wraith can completely ignore his power, Freddy cannot. Wraith can camp and defend objectives, Freddy cannot. If Wraith is naked, then Freddy has been flayed.

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Tsulan said:
    What they need to change is the speed reduction while uncloaking.
    They made QoL changes, so he would be great at tracking. But the speed reduction while uncloaking turns cloaking mid chase into a auto loss.

    Right now, the Wraith is forced to stay visible until the survivor is hooked. He can´t break chases like the devs evisioned him.

    The Devs asked for feedback and made a big steam thread about it and …. ignored everything said.
    Literally every feedback wanted the Wraith to be more powerful in CHASES. Make his cloak so that it is useful to recloak and uncloak during chases.
    And they did the exact opposite.
    They gone the "ambusher" route again. And we -the player- already know that "ambusher" are in general WEAK.
    Ambushes need time to prepare and set up and in a game where the killer is on a tight timemanagement schedule this is poison.

    Beside the QoL changes, that should had been from the get go (gen- and palletbreakage, locker search while cloaked), the Wraith Cube was a big let down.

    Ambush killers are weak because they're envisioned around sneaking up to get the first hit in for free, and then chasing, worse than most killers, but the target is already wounded so the chase is shorter. This playstyle is completely invalidated by Sprint Burst, which guarantees that you will be able to always find a safe pallet to loop around. Try running something like Lithe or Dead Hard instead of Sprint Burst and you'll be surprised at how much you suddenly fear Myers and Pig. Sprint Burst is a broken perk, arguably more overpowered than Decisive Strike.

    Freddy can stall the game with right build and tactic . He has free wallhack and speed reduction penalty . People just don't know hot to utilize it , instead they go to forum and cry how underpowered he is . If you are to chase one survivor through all map and pallets on it , then you definitely will lose