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Is a killer being boring to face a valid reason to demand nerfs?
Many killers are often complained about for being boring, many of these being killers of various levels of strength. Spirit for example is far stronger then Pyramid head or Clown or Deathslinger. Yet all of these are disliked by many. Ever since they changed Pyramid head many many months ago for being too oppressive in chase, I’ve often wondered if a killer being boring is a valid reason to demand nerfs. Whether a killer is or isn’t fun to face is extremely subjective. Personally, I hate Ghostface but I know that demanding nerfs would be ludicrous as he isn’t that strong to begin with. After all, there are always going to be those who enjoy what others do not. Some people love playing against some of these killers. Furthermore, Deathslinger and Clown for example are not particularly strong in my opinion. Nerfing them due to them being boring may well kill what made said killer fun for the Killer player. Even if the nerfs are minor, it could add a new sense of clunkiness which can easily kill enjoyment of a character. A great example would be Hillbilly who I personally cannot enjoy anymore simply because of how clunky he feels after his nerfs.
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Is a killer being boring to face a valid reason to demand nerfs? 58 votes
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
This is a very baised poll given that there's 3 yes options 1 no option and other.
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What other responses would you suggest? I’m open to editing it if possible.
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
I'd say making it 2/2/1.
1 and 4 should stay for yes.
The current no should stay and have a 2nd No to nerfs but something else like buffs to the killer or just saying no because fun is inherently subjective(Aka fun for some unfun for others and changing them for the unfun crowd hurts the fun crowd).
Remember the twins are considered to be boring because of the slugging/camping and nerfing them won't change that but buffing them to make tag teaming viable if not outright the best strategy would make them less "boring".
Also the twins are fun for some and unfun for others and thus the potential nerf coming for the unfun crowd could kill the character for the fun crowd.
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Nerf only the most oppressive/boring Killers (Name which)
I can try my best and play against a spirit, however if it's a strider spirit I'm out.
If they weren't able to use that perk I'd have no problem dealing with spirit as she is now even though she doesn't have indicators for using her power in chase like every other killer.
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
Id say rework if a killer just isn't fun (not necessarily strong or weak) but unfun to play against and as especially. Overall I'd say leave killers as is unless no one likes the killer regardless of strength
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You’re second no option isn’t really what I’d add as it essentially falls under the leave them as is but I will add your first idea if possible.
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Unfortunately it seems I cannot add another poll option. My bad
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This community has a weird idea of what the word "boring" means. There are definitely elements of the game that get repetitive, and it can feel boring if it seems like you're playing the same match against the same killer who uses the same strategy over and over again. If there's one clear meta strategy for how to play a character, and that's all anyone who plays that character does, then I agree that's less fun than a game where there are lots of good strategies for everyone.
However, sometimes the reason there's one clear meta strategy for a killer is because that one way is viable and the other ways aren't. So, nerfing them when they only have one thing they do well kind of sucks. I think a better idea would be to provide more incentives for people to change up the meta by using different perks, or playing different characters. The Rift does that a little, but there could be more.
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
No matters what the devs do, someone will find something to call boring and changing things just because people find something boring to face in a pvp game is not exactly high priority imo.
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
You don't nerf killers because they're boring. You rework them to not be boring, but still just as strong.
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
Boringness is extremely subjective, there's no way it should be a primary stimulus for a balance change.
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
How about making the weaker killers "boring" too?
Sorry but most often "boring" is used as a synonym for "strong" or "actually viable".
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
Spirit, Twins, Hag, and Trapper could use some reworks to make them fun to play against while still being scary killers. Weak doesn't necessarily mean fun to play against, which is why I placed Trapper there.
Otherwise, leave 'em be, I guess.
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That’s actually not true at all. Killers like Trapper and Clown are considered boring even though, in my opinion at least, they’re not very good killers. Whether a Killer is fun to face or not has very little to do with their actual strength and more to do with how interactive they are in a chase. Obviously you’re totally entitled to the belief that a killer being boring doesn’t matter, but trying to imply that people only declare a particular killer boring because they think said killer is too strong is rather disingenuous.
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
Clown id say is for sure weak but still pretty fun overall (he does need some changes still imo).
Id say if I had to put the top 11 least fun killers to be it would be (in no particular order) Trapper, wraith, pig, Legion, Ghostface, Demo, Twins, spirit, hillbilly, Huntress, and Plague imo. Which most of these are in the bottom half of most tier lists. Id love for them to either make their powers feel more rewarding or to give something a little extra to use personally.
Some noteworthy mentions
For Spirit- boring to me for how easy it feels to win with tbh. I don't mind even facing her a ton honestly.
Billy- I came back to DBD and he was my main before but he just doesn't feel the same.
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were talking literally or DBD "i dont like this therefore its boring"?
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
A lot of people seem to be taking this the very wrong way. Survivors are completely correct in saying the following Killers are boring because they have very simple and/or NO counter play: Spirit, Pyramid Head, Freddy, Deathslinger, Clown. Yes, Clown is boring as ######### since you just drop the pallet.
From a Survivor's pov:
Spirit needs to be nerfed outright which can be done by making her more fair and have counterplay.
Pyramid Head needs to be slowed down more while in his power, nerfing him while removing his lack of counterplay.
Freddy is the same as Clown, funny slowdown place 2 snares and have fun, the nerfs in the upcoming patch will change nothing. His snares need to do something else.
Deathslinger needs to be punished more for holding up his gun and needs to have a bigger gap of time between holding up his gun and shooting. .2 or so seconds is simply not enough, you cannot react to visual stimuli that fast a majority of the time, and his harpoon travels too fast for any reaction to matter at that point.
Clown's gas needs to do something else.
All of these Killers need a rework, minor or not. I play Killer more than Survivor if anyone wants to label me, btw. ######### off with your side v side bs and just see the problems both sides face for once. Please???
"Boring" in this case (from what I know) is referring to "lack of counterplay" or "boring counterplay", which is objective and should be a primary stimulus for a balance change.
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Absolutely not, leave them as is.
Coming back to this I would say it depends on the reason the killer is deemed boring. Are they boring like spirit because there’s no real way to counter her? If that’s the case then change the killer. But if they’re boring like clown since his counter play is just deemed boring then no it’s just people whining.
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Rework the boring characters (If only some, then name which)
It would depend on the amount of people who find it awful to play against that killer if the whole player base hates going against a killer then yes I think a REWORK is necessary not a nerf though. For instance I do think spirit is in need of a rework, a slight one but yes she needs some work.
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Nerf only the most oppressive/boring Killers (Name which)
Spirit and PH need a nerf, idk how you would fix deathslinger.
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