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Anyone Else Tired Of Killers Being Jokes?

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  • MisterCremaster
    MisterCremaster Member Posts: 614
    edited October 2018
    Eguzky said:

    @MisterCremaster said:
    Play a different game. This isn't the one for you.

    Then maybe they should change the name to 'Slightly Injured By Daylight' because the killers are not allowed to kill.

    But sure, not being able to play a game about killing and sneaking and MAYBE surviving is my issue, not the games.

    I can tell you're a Survivor main, because you're happy the game is basically Baby's First Horror Game and holds your hand to go 'There, there. You got hooked. The Devs will nerf them again soon'

    Nah dude, I'm not a survivor main. I swing both ways. 😉  

    I never said your complaints didn't have validity.  But the game you want, isn't this.  It's never going to be. Thus my recommendation to go find something else.

    I've said this in multiple posts now... but at any given point 80% of player base is playing survivor.  Make killers too powerful and survivors stop playing.  Thats why killers get adjustments much slower than survivors do.  Right now, and probably forever, high level killer players vs high level survivor players ARE going to be at a disadvantage BUT MOST PLAYERS are not high level.  Which means at the mid-ranks where most players play, of which 80% are going to be survivors, they are seeing much more even matches and not taking issue with the game.  You are likely not BHV's target audience.

  • Eguzky
    Eguzky Member Posts: 173

    @MisterCremaster said:
    Eguzky said:

    @MisterCremaster said:

    Play a different game. This isn't the one for you.

    Then maybe they should change the name to 'Slightly Injured By Daylight' because the killers are not allowed to kill.

    But sure, not being able to play a game about killing and sneaking and MAYBE surviving is my issue, not the games.

    I can tell you're a Survivor main, because you're happy the game is basically Baby's First Horror Game and holds your hand to go 'There, there. You got hooked. The Devs will nerf them again soon'

    Nah dude, I'm not a survivor main. I swing both ways. 😉  

    I never said your complaints didn't have validity.  But the game you want, isn't this.  It's never going to be. Thus my recommendation to go find something else.

    I've said this in multiple posts now... but at any given point 80% of player base is playing survivor.  Make killers too powerful and survivors stop playing.  Thats why killers get adjustments much slower than survivors do.  Right now, and probably forever, high level killer players vs high level survivor players ARE going to be at a disadvantage BUT MOST PLAYERS are not high level.  Which means at the mid-ranks where most players play, of which 80% are going to be survivors, they are seeing much more even matches and not taking issue with the game.  You are likely not BHV's target audience.

    I hold out hope the Devs will realize this game would be better for EVERYONE if the Survivors had a sense of terror and being threatened instead of listening to them complain for Nerfs every time they get hooked once.

    Failing that, I guess I have to grit my teeth and hope someone else makes a better asymmetrical horror game someday.

  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    I wouldn't call them jokes anymore, we're not infiniting anymore.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    @Eguzky said: I hold out hope the Devs will realize this game would be better for EVERYONE if the Survivors had a sense of terror and being threatened instead of listening to them complain for Nerfs every time they get hooked once.

    Failing that, I guess I have to grit my teeth and hope someone else makes a better asymmetrical horror game someday.

    I'm still new at DBD, but will always be someone that hovers around the green ranks here. The main reason being that I refuse to Rank up to purple and red ranks. I did Overwatch from launch until three weeks ago, and played Competitively over there. I'm in my mid-40s and realized that I came to hate playing the game. I am too damned old to be worrying about rank and the associated toxicity in a video game.

    So, I jumped to DBD to play casually.

    That said, and while I have zero intent to leave DBD, I do plan to check out Hide Or Die when it launches.

  • Freudentrauma
    Freudentrauma Member Posts: 1,053

    @SenzuDuck said:

    I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!

    You should really equip Empathy more often, because it seems like you aren't understanding what the issue with bullying in this game is.

    If you play Killer, you are in constant stress, running against time by playing against four people. During the entire match you can't rest and always stay concentrated, so you can adjust strategy and decide your tactics for a positive outcome. As a survivor on the other hand you have always moments of rest or certainty. Teammate can make up for your mistakes. And even midchase there are moments, when you are completely safe, taking any stress out of you.
    That's the nature of the a 1vs.4 scenario. It's always the disadvantage. The killer is required more mental stability by default than a survivor does.
    It also is very vulnerable to turn things into a spiral of mistakes and frustration from the killers side. You had a bad time during the first chase, First two Gens pop. You are under time pressure. Now you get nervous. Maybe abandon the chase and go for another survivor. Or make large mistakes by trying to outplay a survivor who always perfectly knows how to be killer aware and run. Or accidently forget somebody has DH etc.
    No matter what it is, you are put into a more stressed position and more likely to make mistake, in a game were making mistakes is very punishable for you.
    Believe me I saw quite a few Killers losing it midchase, when they didn't take the stress well.

    And if you say well that are just bad killers and what has this to do with teabagging and BM in general, well ... That's exactly what makes so attractive towards people who like bullying. Because they get rewarded for it. It's more likely to make them nervous/angry, because they are already more stressed than you are. And that causes more mistakes, which give Bullies more wiggle room to disrespect etc. And that is the most frustrating thing about this game.

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    yeet said:

    @fcc2014 said:

    @Eguzky said:

    @fcc2014 said:

    Maybe play a different game until this one is the way you want it to be.

    Except the devs pretty much won't ever buff a Killer. I mean, the dude said on stream 'Play Survivor or play a different game'.

    Trust me; if someone else made a game like this and gave a crap about balance, I'd bail on this.

    Ok, now i understand you are trolling. Gotcha! The Hag, Trapper, Wraith all got nice buffs. Hooking speed and pick up animation no longer feel clunky or extended. The Spirit got 2 updates withing weeks which were sorely needed. The Huntress was given a true hit box but since the mechanic is broke they quickly reversed it. They are adding 4s to the base of healing that can stack longer with several perks, but hey [BAD WORD] the killers right.

    none of these were actually meaningful buffs
    not to mention the healing nerf doesn't even tackle the core problem of healing, and doesn't negate the plethora of survivor buffs coming

    Dude shut the ######### up , you win 95% of your matches remember? What are you even bitching about anymore?
  • DarkWo1f997
    DarkWo1f997 Member Posts: 1,532
    SenzuDuck said:

    I mean, you could run towards them and smack them out?

    I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!

    It’s annoying because we are not always having fun.  If we are already frustrated, you are just feeding the flames. I thought you were more perceptive than that, Duck. 
  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    @Eguzky said:
    Then maybe they should change the name to 'Slightly Injured By Daylight' because the killers are not allowed to kill.

    I lol'd.

  • Eguzky
    Eguzky Member Posts: 173

    Another tip to know if it's a SWF group:

    1 person sees the hex totem, and 3 others beeline to it.

    Hexes are a joke with SWF added to the game. Please remove this unbalanced, garbage game mode and IGNORE when survivors whine. Please.

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    SenzuDuck said:

    @mcNuggets said:
    Make a video of you playing any killer (not billy or nurse) vs a good 4 swf on rank 1 with you being happy with the outcome please.

    Unlike the rest of the people on this forum, I'm fully aware that when people load into the game they aren't SWF, there'd be no way to prove they are.

    ALSO - people always have bad games, if the survivors are better than you then you get over and you get better, me wrecking some rank ones or being wrecked by rank ones proves absolutely nothing.

    Here’s what I don’t get @SenzuDuck, they will complain and say “oh yeah let’s see your rank one video” and then turn right around after you prove it and say rank means nothing because such ######### players are at rank one, so which is it? They want to act like it’s unplayable and never winnable when it fits their narrative but I thought they all sucked? Remember  “Anyone can get rank one “
  • xxaggieboyxx
    xxaggieboyxx Member Posts: 498
    fcc2014 said:

    @Eguzky said:
    Seriously. I log into a match, and it's like I'm the caretaker at a haunted house.

    Don't worry, little Survivors; I may scare you, but rules (Devs and bad balance ideas) state I can't actually hurt you.

    Honestly, a good start would be, if someone spams crouch past the exit gates, the Entity blocks the exit for 5 seconds. Either stay on the map or run. Don't be a little #########.

    Oh wait, one of the Devs pitched in with his view on nerfed Killers; 'Play Survivor or play another game. Civ is fun'

    Hey, your own dev said it. Guess I won't tell people to buy your game, if you can't be bothered to balance it.

    Maybe play a different game until this one is the way you want it to be.

    HELLO LAST YEAR: THE NIGHTMARE!
  • xxaggieboyxx
    xxaggieboyxx Member Posts: 498
    SenzuDuck said:

    @fcc2014 said:
    Ok, now i understand you are trolling. Gotcha! The Hag, Trapper, Wraith all got nice buffs. Hooking speed and pick up animation no longer feels clunky or extended. The Spirit got 2 updates within weeks which were sorely needed. The Huntress was given a true hit box but since the mechanic is broke they quickly reversed it. They are adding 4s to the base of healing that can stack longer with several perks, but hey [BAD WORD] the killers right.

    It's the same argument every time "They never do anything for killers".

    They nerf killers far more than survivors. AND KILLERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE POWER ROLE! Prove me wrong 
  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @lyric said:
    @mcNuggets said:

    Make a video of you playing any killer (not billy or nurse) vs a good 4 swf on rank 1 with you being happy with the outcome please.

    Here’s what I don’t get @SenzuDuck, they will complain and say “oh yeah let’s see your rank one video” and then turn right around after you prove it and say rank means nothing because such ######### players are at rank one, so which is it? They want to act like it’s unplayable and never winnable when it fits their narrative but I thought they all sucked? Remember  “Anyone can get rank one “

    I mean, I only stream this game, all my matches are viewable, lmfao. I've never once said I'm good at this game which is hilarious because people constantly ask me to record matches for them, maybe they need tips on how to be a better killer?

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    xxaggieboyxx said:
    SenzuDuck said:

    @fcc2014 said:
    Ok, now i understand you are trolling. Gotcha! The Hag, Trapper, Wraith all got nice buffs. Hooking speed and pick up animation no longer feels clunky or extended. The Spirit got 2 updates within weeks which were sorely needed. The Huntress was given a true hit box but since the mechanic is broke they quickly reversed it. They are adding 4s to the base of healing that can stack longer with several perks, but hey [BAD WORD] the killers right.

    It's the same argument every time "They never do anything for killers".

    They nerf killers far more than survivors. AND KILLERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE POWER ROLE! Prove me wrong 
    Really? There have been killers buffed in almost every patch this year, which is it ? Is it so easy to make rank one that they all suck or is it unplayable? Which narrative are you gonna use today to appease your whining and ######### bitching that you never stop with , seriously play a different ######### game if you’re just gonna cry for two years straight like everyone else I play rank one killer and never have these problems and when I prove it it’s “ rank doesn’t matter” ######### outta here with that
  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    SenzuDuck said:

    @lyric said:
    @mcNuggets said:

    Make a video of you playing any killer (not billy or nurse) vs a good 4 swf on rank 1 with you being happy with the outcome please.

    Here’s what I don’t get @SenzuDuck, they will complain and say “oh yeah let’s see your rank one video” and then turn right around after you prove it and say rank means nothing because such ######### players are at rank one, so which is it? They want to act like it’s unplayable and never winnable when it fits their narrative but I thought they all sucked? Remember  “Anyone can get rank one “

    I mean, I only stream this game, all my matches are viewable, lmfao. I've never once said I'm good at this game which is hilarious because people constantly ask me to record matches for them, maybe they need tips on how to be a better killer?

    Apparently you should give tips and a box of tampons because I don’t think it will ever end
  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @mcNuggets said:
    I am playing it because there is no competition to Dead by Daylight. (Friday is a joke)

    Your formatting is awful, learn to create a decent reply, thank you.

    If you find the game is so easy as killer, hop on rank 1 with a bad killer and verse good swf and win.
    Send me video proof of that please.

    I got to rank one, on stream, if you want to watch my games you can kindly go over there. I make mistakes, I don't claim I'm good but it is not a challenge to reach rank one at all, and I'm certainly not about to make special training videos for you.

    You know marth88s experiment?
    You know the devs response?
    Lol it's no secret, killers are underpowered as [BAD WORD].

    Good 'ol Marth Defence, the 3000+ hour survivor team that either used all the same perks or none at all, shocking how survivors can just somehow be better than a killer. If you look at these matches from the killer side, it was probably one bad match out of a dozen good ones, obviously if you follow a 4-man SWF 12000+ hour team around you're bound to see a lot of wins.

    Of course, you are not open for discussion in which you cannot write a reply for 2 hours to not sound completely idiotic, which you still do.
    All you do is to react to the things I said and completely put them out of context.

    I take a paragraph of your comments, like this one, where all context is present, there is nothing "out of context" about my replies.

    I won't argue anymore, you are just getting personal while ignoring all of my strong arguments.
    So we just do some maths here.

    "I wont argue anymore, but let me put 6 more paragraphs into this reply".

    1 gen = 80 seconds
    4 survivors doing gens = 4 gens done in 80 seconds
    average chase time = 60-120 seconds

    *Average chase time of a not very good killer 60 - 120 seconds
    Also, if you're chasing someone... there aren't 4 gens done in 80 seconds, I don't know how you think this game works despite all your moaning but survivors can't do gens when they're in the middle of the map with a killer on them.

    When not playing any one hit killer which can instantly one hit or is extremely fast like the nurse, you don't stand a chance against survivors rushing gens.
    This only makes sense due to the fact, a round can be over within 3 minutes.

    "Survivors doing gens is bad they should walk around the map aimlessly before they start doing gens" again, blaming survivors for doing their objective, gg buddy.

    If the devs wanted to make the game better, they would address issues like decisive strike, freddys strength, pallet looping, camping, tunneling etc. immediatly before even thinking about releasing another DLC.
    Any good game dev would fix the games problems before even thinking about DLCs.

    D Strike - Getting Nerfed
    Freddy - Getting Buffed
    Pallets - Had a change in this patch meaning they spawn further apart
    Camping & Tunneling - You can't prevent these, literally nothing you do will stop this, is a killer WANTS to tunnel and camp they'll do it regardless.

    Btw. regarding your argument of not talking via steam.
    You can always unfriend me after discussing this out, because I don't want to be your friend either lol.

    I'd rather just not add you in the first place.

    You would loose the argument, because there is no logical reason, killers are balanced now.

    I wouldn't certainly "loose" the argument while you would lose it. I don't really get what you're trying to say here. I literally break down every part of your comment and reply to it, you just start typing aimlessly for a couple of minutes with no order or thought to what you're typing.

    You never reacted to arguments, you just got personally on people or said their argument is wrong, because it is wrong.

    I reply to every paragraph, gg.

    For the perks:
    Self Care = 50% healing speed, getting healed by another survivor equals the waste of time of healing yourself making the perk as good as getting healed, which is ultimatively stupid. (Do your maths again, it's not 48 seconds you genius)

    Oh look, talking of "out of context" If you can quote me where I said "One survivor self caring is 48 seconds" I'll donate you £200. Because it never happened. I merely used someone elses example (If two self caring their combined time would be 32 seconds) as he implied self caring speed was 16 seconds or something, so I used his example but with the correct numbers. (Hint, my numbers were actually also incorrect, where in the thread the person who pointed this out to me I replied "I am in fact incorrect about the numbers"). But yes, lets pretend I said self caring was 48 seconds. It'll actually be 32 seconds very soon, a whole half minute from gens but you want to whine.

    I'll stop responding to your nonsense now, I made enough valid points you'll just gonna ignore again.

    This is the second time you said you'd stop responding.

    I'll stop now responding or viewing your answers. It's psychological torture for me to read your nonsense of a answer.

    This is the third time you said you'd stop responding.

    (I made a giant post a few pages back with more of arguments you ignored)

    Oh look, you're still responding.

    Just saw you made an argument about pressing CTRL is bullying, loooooool.
    4 people having the intention to make fun of you in an aggressive way is near the [BAD WORD] definition of bullying lol.

    AHAHAHAHAH "Aggressive" manner.
    "Yes officer, he pressed CTRL on the other side of the country AGGRESSIVELY, arrest him please" Bullying is illegal, tbagging is now an arrestable offensive if you do it.

    Survivors should be scared, but they ain't. Because the game is ez pz for survivors.

    >
    Or maybe they aren't scared because it's a video game and after 50 hours no one cares and just plays.

    Just search up marth88s experiment, there are 100 videos showing how easy it is to win with a full swf team on rank 1. I don't understand how people can ignore it. It's a good research.

    Yawn, back to Marth, do your own experiments kid. His data means nothing.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @ZombieGenesis said:

    KIller players either need to accept that fact or move on. I hate to say that but it's true; this game will never be what you want it to be.

    I know the game currently isn't where you want it to be but don't accept that. Players who killer main need to keep asking for buffs or else you won't get them. They have improved killers in the last several patches and include quality of life changes faster animations and such. Look at how crazy things got with the exhaustion nerf. They fire bombed reviews acting like children and they can say it was a lobby bug, but it took longer to find lobbies as a killer during that time. If they bring hard changes in a short time they may alienate a large portion of the player base who have never and will never play killer. Those players don't get what is like playing against multiple DS, body blocking long loops, some ahole following you around with a flashlight and such. If players. If they nerfed DS and added to the healing time in this one patch we would have had 20 threads shouting this is the end of DBD.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @lyric said:

    Really? There have been killers buffed in almost every patch this year, which is it ? Is it so easy to make rank one that they all suck or is it unplayable? Which narrative are you gonna use today to appease your whining and [BAD WORD] bitching that you never stop with , seriously play a different [BAD WORD] game if you’re just gonna cry for two years straight like everyone else I play rank one killer and never have these problems and when I prove it it’s “ rank doesn’t matter” [BAD WORD] outta here with that

    Damn dude switch to decaf......

  • lyric
    lyric Member Posts: 611
    fcc2014 said:

    @lyric said:

    Really? There have been killers buffed in almost every patch this year, which is it ? Is it so easy to make rank one that they all suck or is it unplayable? Which narrative are you gonna use today to appease your whining and [BAD WORD] bitching that you never stop with , seriously play a different [BAD WORD] game if you’re just gonna cry for two years straight like everyone else I play rank one killer and never have these problems and when I prove it it’s “ rank doesn’t matter” [BAD WORD] outta here with that

    Damn dude switch to decaf......

    It’s the truth and we both know it
  • Grimbergoth
    Grimbergoth Member Posts: 293

    just my opinion here , but the devs don't care about what killers want . they already said back in #90 around the 31 min mark that if you don't like the frustration and anger that come from trying to play a killer to play survivor or even go play civ its fun … this is why we have the same problems for years and they don't balance around important things .

    This game is based off of a 4v1 population so as long as the 4 is happy who cares what the 1 thinks . if the one doesn't like it they say play survivor why is tht because they have things in place to replace killer mains that stop . FTP weekends and new killer every3 months . it brings in a whole new flock of killers to replace the one who have changed sides or quit .

    The only real way to get them to care is if their steam reviews start going negative . they already are employing streamers to hype the game in another market for them (its in its early stages , but they already announced it) . so as long as you have negative things to say and voice them here the general public doesn't hear them and thus they don't care . You know how many times ive read reviews where they were complaining about balance but still recommend the game ?

  • Eguzky
    Eguzky Member Posts: 173

    Ugh. Had a match today where the survivors somehow ran OVER set traps without triggering them.

    I watched it happen twice CLEARLY (from less than 10 feet away, uninterrupted), and twice more I chased a survivor through a bottleneck where a pallet was (but broken or untipped) and they stepped squarely on the bear trap, but a wall let me only see the trap, not the survivor. Again, the pallet was NOT tipped at any time to make the survivor do his Pallet-port.
    Who knows how many times it happened where I could not see. Survivor literally placed a foot square on the trap..nothing.

    But of course, if I'm within 50 feet of a pallet being overturned, even if I'm NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO HIT IT WITH MY WEAPON. I still get ######### stunned. Because killeres have hitboxes the size of a Chevy Buick while survivors get sprint burst, hitbox removal skills, and hitboxes the size of a gnat's dick.

    DBD balance in a nutshell: Play Survivor, or play something else.

    I wonder how much longer the game will last, with stupid comments and ideas like that.

    Christ, Hide Or Die can't come fast enough to steal this imbalanced failure's playerbase. Maybe then the Devs will actually wake up and fix their game.

  • Eguzky
    Eguzky Member Posts: 173
    edited October 2018

    And nevermind insta-stun firecrackers.

    I actually had a match where I HAD to facecamp because all 4 survivors were flashlight-sunning me and infinite-looping garbage areas on the map.
    2 of them had that insta-escape perk on top of 2 flashlights and a firecracker.
    3 had self-heal
    1 had a medkit.

    They were clearly a SWF group geared to ######### on the Killer as much as humanly possible.

    AND THEY HAD THE FREAKING BALLS TO FREAKING PISS AT ME WHEN I WHAT I HAD TO TOO WIN!

    I was the bad guy for camping each survivor I hooked while these munge-lickers were trying to camp me and stun me and troll me with BS perks and items.

    They fixed ONE generator because they were trolling me. And these jerks tried to friend me and then verbally abused me in the end-game chat because I did not LET THEM treat me like a joke!?

    THESE are the half of the playerbase the Devs listen too?!

  • Raziel
    Raziel Member Posts: 100
    edited October 2018

    @SenzuDuck said:
    I mean, you could run towards them and smack them out?

    I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!

    The tbagging is not the upsetting part. The upsetting part is that the game is broken and the survivors know they will stay OP because the devs will never dare turn away their rather huge cash cow of casuals.

    Tbagging is the way they flaunt this fact into their opponent's face.

  • DarkWo1f997
    DarkWo1f997 Member Posts: 1,532
    yeet said:

    @Thetruth said:

    @Eguzky said:

    @Thetruth said:
    No its just you, youre terrible at the game. They don't care if you play or not sooooo either play the game or move on to another. Don't cry like a little #########.

    Haha, so 'git gud' with different phrasing. Meaning you don't have the intelligence to make a real argument.

    I just had a match I know was 4 people in a group because They all shared variations on the same name.

    Guess how many I actually got to SEE when everyone is together in Discord?

    Oh, sorry, you're not that intelligent. I saw ZERO because they were able to communicate and say where I was, and what I was doing, and who I was going after.

    But the Devs thought nerfing Killers was fine, because Survivors whined. Then the Devs felt a Survive with friends mode would NEVER be unfair to the LONE GOD DAMN KILLER.

    The killer has to be good enough to hit Survivors AT LEAST 12 damn times to have a chance at killing everyone.

    That's not counting when people get off hooks, when people heal, etc.

    That's AT MINIMUM.

    But no, no. I'm bad. Ok. Nevermind that Survivors have it freaking easy with Sprint Burst, and t hat newer perk that REMOVES THEIR GOD DAMNED HITBOX while they dash forward..

    Yeah, survivors can become IMMUNE TO DAMAGE.

    I bet you'd be here whining like a ######### if any Killers got a perk to insta-break any pallet smashed over their head.

    Because the Survivors are whiny bitches who need to win 100% of the time, and the Devs were stupid enough to listen when the game was new.

    I bet you only play Survivor and delude yourself into thinking you have skill when the game practically holds your hand.

    So youre blaming voice chat to excuse your incredible lack of skill and smarts in this easy game? Nah don't whine about killer perks. Game isn't even worth crying about.

    "incredible lack of skill" big words coming from you, any player with half a brain can see the tremendous advantage voice comms give, you are either so bad at the game you cant see that or straight up lying in order to keep the game in your favor

    Yeet you gotta calm down buddy. Lowbei is going to be out of the job if you keep up the salt management. 
  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

    Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142
    edited October 2018

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

    Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"

    I have to agree with you, too. Look, I might be brand new to Dead by Daylight, but I've played Competitive modes before. Despite what I said about current Overwatch, up until about Season 5 (they are on Season 12 right now), the Competitive mode did work. It had issues, but it wasn't horrible. I also did ranked in Heroes of the Storm.

    That said, I'm in my mid-40s. I can't mentally do Competitive anymore. I was always a laid-back gamer, never cared about the best gear in MMOs, or the leaderboard in raids, et cetera. I just wanted to unwind from the day with a video game.

    Overwatch changed that, and I will never go back to a competitive game mode again. When or if I ever fire-up Overwatch again, it will be purely for Arcade modes and Quick Play.

    I researched Dead by Daylight for a good 8 months before buying it and the DLCs. Streamers, YouTube guides, these forums, reddit, and the Dev streams (yeah, I saw the infamous "play Civ" one, too). Dead by Daylight always struck me as a casual game. I see nothing about its design that actually points to a competitive or eSport game, despite them having only a "Ranked" mode. As far as any "competitive" concept goes, sorry to a lot of people, but the ranked system here is a joke by comparison.

    And that was why I decided to buy it. It's a casually designed game.

  • se05239
    se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

    Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"

    I have to agree with you, too. Look, I might be brand new to Dead by Daylight, but I've played Competitive modes before. Despite what I said about current Overwatch, up until about Season 5 (they are on Season 12 right now), the Competitive mode did work. It had issues, but it wasn't horrible. I also did ranked in Heroes of the Storm.

    That said, I'm in my mid-40s. I can't mentally do Competitive anymore. I was always a laid-back gamer, never cared about the best gear in MMOs, or the leaderboard in raids, et cetera. I just wanted to unwind from the day with a video game.

    Overwatch changed that, and I will never go back to a competitive game mode again. When or if I ever fire-up Overwatch again, it will be purely for Arcade modes and Quick Play.

    I researched Dead by Daylight for a good 8 months before buying it and the DLCs. Streamers, YouTube guides, these forums, reddit, and the Dev streams (yeah, I saw the infamous "play Civ" one, too). Dead by Daylight always struck me as a casual game. I see nothing about its design that actually points to a competitive or eSport game, despite them having only a "Ranked" mode. As far as any "competitive" concept goes, sorry to a lot of people, but the ranked system here is a joke by comparison.

    And that was why I decided to buy it. It's a casually designed game.

    And the developers want to make it an E-sport..

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142
    edited October 2018

    @se05239 said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

    Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"

    I have to agree with you, too. Look, I might be brand new to Dead by Daylight, but I've played Competitive modes before. Despite what I said about current Overwatch, up until about Season 5 (they are on Season 12 right now), the Competitive mode did work. It had issues, but it wasn't horrible. I also did ranked in Heroes of the Storm.

    That said, I'm in my mid-40s. I can't mentally do Competitive anymore. I was always a laid-back gamer, never cared about the best gear in MMOs, or the leaderboard in raids, et cetera. I just wanted to unwind from the day with a video game.

    Overwatch changed that, and I will never go back to a competitive game mode again. When or if I ever fire-up Overwatch again, it will be purely for Arcade modes and Quick Play.

    I researched Dead by Daylight for a good 8 months before buying it and the DLCs. Streamers, YouTube guides, these forums, reddit, and the Dev streams (yeah, I saw the infamous "play Civ" one, too). Dead by Daylight always struck me as a casual game. I see nothing about its design that actually points to a competitive or eSport game, despite them having only a "Ranked" mode. As far as any "competitive" concept goes, sorry to a lot of people, but the ranked system here is a joke by comparison.

    And that was why I decided to buy it. It's a casually designed game.

    And the developers want to make it an E-sport..

    Yeah, I saw that so-called tournament. Well, the developers can want to make it an eSport with all their might. I want to be a billionaire. I'd say I have a better chance at success doing that than they do making Dead by Daylight an eSport.

  • Seanzu
    Seanzu Member Posts: 7,526
    se05239 said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Kilmeran said:

    @SenzuDuck said: Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I'm going to have to assume you don't play Overwatch. I did. From launch day until three weeks ago. It was basically all I played, except for dabbling a little bit on the side with Heroes of the Storm and Paladins.

    Using "Overwatch" and "Competitive" in the same sentence is a joke. Competitive has been busted for almost six or seven seasons now, and Blizzard has done zip to address it. It is filled with leavers, trolls, and smurfs. Even at the high ranks, you barely get voice comm coordination, and people are playing whatever they want, to hell with team comp.

    You want a casual game that people tried to claim was a competitive game? Overwatch tops the list, right behind DBD.

    Yea i don't play it to be honest, there are still plethoras of actual competitive games they could play.
    With moris, bnps, DS, noed this game was clearly never meant to be competitive.

    Oh, I agreed with what you meant. I just had to chime in on the Overwatch part, was all. :p

    Oh yea i understood that I just didn't wanna say "yeh i don't play it lul"

    I have to agree with you, too. Look, I might be brand new to Dead by Daylight, but I've played Competitive modes before. Despite what I said about current Overwatch, up until about Season 5 (they are on Season 12 right now), the Competitive mode did work. It had issues, but it wasn't horrible. I also did ranked in Heroes of the Storm.

    That said, I'm in my mid-40s. I can't mentally do Competitive anymore. I was always a laid-back gamer, never cared about the best gear in MMOs, or the leaderboard in raids, et cetera. I just wanted to unwind from the day with a video game.

    Overwatch changed that, and I will never go back to a competitive game mode again. When or if I ever fire-up Overwatch again, it will be purely for Arcade modes and Quick Play.

    I researched Dead by Daylight for a good 8 months before buying it and the DLCs. Streamers, YouTube guides, these forums, reddit, and the Dev streams (yeah, I saw the infamous "play Civ" one, too). Dead by Daylight always struck me as a casual game. I see nothing about its design that actually points to a competitive or eSport game, despite them having only a "Ranked" mode. As far as any "competitive" concept goes, sorry to a lot of people, but the ranked system here is a joke by comparison.

    And that was why I decided to buy it. It's a casually designed game.

    And the developers want to make it an E-sport..

    I don’t think holding community tournaments for prizes classes as trying to make it an e-sports.
  • Visionmaker
    Visionmaker Member Posts: 2,051
    edited October 2018
    There needs to be a rant section.
    "Expert players aren't scared like beginners anymore! Why can't I just M1 them to death when they've won? Stupid devs! (insert overused meme)"
  • Raziel
    Raziel Member Posts: 100

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Raziel said:

    @SenzuDuck said:
    I mean, you could run towards them and smack them out?

    I don't get why so many people get upsetti spaghetti over ground humpers, if they're triggering you, it's working!

    The tbagging is not the upsetting part. The upsetting part is that the game is broken and the survivors know they will stay OP because the devs will never dare turn away their rather huge cash cow of casuals.

    Tbagging is the way they flaunt this fact into their opponent's face.

    and no, you're looking way too into it, survivors are not "OP" at all, maybe at one time with insta flashlights, bnps and loops, but flashlights are gone, bnps are useless and theyre constantly adjusting pallets and maps to make them easier for killers to navigate. Survivors aren't OP, you're just not as good as you think you are.

    Yes, this game is for casuals, it always has been. If you want something competitive go play league or overwatch.

    I get 4ks at R1 most of the time. By the game's scoring system I am clearly better. But I also know that the difference is greater than the game makes it out to be simply because survivors have skill compensating perks where killers do not.

  • Raziel
    Raziel Member Posts: 100

    @SenzuDuck said:

    @Eguzky said:
    'This game is casual' is a lousy excuse for lazy, one-sided balance to appease the larger half of the playerbase and completely screw over every single Killer player.
    The Devs need to grow some balls and fix the game instead of sit around scared of the screechers that want to keep Survivors as cake-walks.

    It's completely subjective, while you seem to struggle with anything that isn't holding your hand everyone else is doing just fine. Just because you think you're getting screwed over, or you don't like things doesn't mean everyone else is bothered by it.
    I have 2300 hours, I play both sides and almost nothing annoys me in this game because when I'm playing killer and I mess up that's on me, not the survivors, If I die as a survivor then I was probably being too altruistic and that's fineeee. You don't have to 4K every match and you don't have to escape every match.

    When you play as killer and you messed up then you would think that your skill didn't stack up well against the survivor's skill. In reality, their skill is boosted artificially by their perks and OP mechanics. It's like a duel where you get a wooden sword instead of a metal one. You can still win, but it's an unfair setup.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Raziel said:

    I get 4ks at R1 most of the time. By the game's scoring system I am clearly better. But I also know that the difference is greater than the game makes it out to be simply because survivors have skill compensating perks where killers do not.

    So killers don't have any of the following perks that rewards them for playing skillfully.

    STBFL
    PWYF
    Whispers (if you can't find them with skill call 1-800-4ENTITY )

    I could go on but to say there's not help or perks that give skilled players more choices etc is nonsense.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    @powerbats said:

    @Raziel said:

    I get 4ks at R1 most of the time. By the game's scoring system I am clearly better. But I also know that the difference is greater than the game makes it out to be simply because survivors have skill compensating perks where killers do not.

    So killers don't have any of the following perks that rewards them for playing skillfully.

    STBFL
    PWYF
    Whispers (if you can't find them with skill call 1-800-4ENTITY )

    I could go on but to say there's not help or perks that give skilled players more choices etc is nonsense.

    STBFL is viable
    PWYF hasn´t been good since the devs butchered Myers perks. It gives more disadvantages than advantages
    Whispers is... well there are way better detection perks. Since it only gives you a really rough estimation where a survivor could be.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Tsulan said:

    STBFL is viable
    PWYF hasn´t been good since the devs butchered Myers perks. It gives more disadvantages than advantages
    Whispers is... well there are way better detection perks. Since it only gives you a really rough estimation where a survivor could be.

    PWYF is really good with Spirit Fury right now, especially on Myers.

    Whispers if you're paying attention you just move back and forth and you pretty much home in on the person hiding.

  • Raziel
    Raziel Member Posts: 100
    edited October 2018

    @powerbats said:

    @Raziel said:

    I get 4ks at R1 most of the time. By the game's scoring system I am clearly better. But I also know that the difference is greater than the game makes it out to be simply because survivors have skill compensating perks where killers do not.

    So killers don't have any of the following perks that rewards them for playing skillfully.

    STBFL
    PWYF
    Whispers (if you can't find them with skill call 1-800-4ENTITY )

    I could go on but to say there's not help or perks that give skilled players more choices etc is nonsense.

    Are you deliberately confusing perks that reward skillful play with perks that compensate for lack of skill?

    STBFL rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and dish out hits on the other survivors only, whenever they get the chance during a chase.

    PWYF rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and, in a multiple survivors chased scenario, can trigger the perk by temporarily switching targets.

    Whispers is not a very good perk but it does reward spacial awareness and mental triangulation.

    DS rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing.
    Self Care rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing but were let go after 1 hit because the killer had to switch targets or shift his attention towards the gens.
    Sprint Burst rewards survivors who failed to notice the killer closing in on them.
    Adrenaline rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing AND were helped by survivors who failed at hook rescues (circumstantial)

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095

    @powerbats said:

    @Tsulan said:

    STBFL is viable
    PWYF hasn´t been good since the devs butchered Myers perks. It gives more disadvantages than advantages
    Whispers is... well there are way better detection perks. Since it only gives you a really rough estimation where a survivor could be.

    PWYF is really good with Spirit Fury right now, especially on Myers.

    Whispers if you're paying attention you just move back and forth and you pretty much home in on the person hiding.

    No, it´s not. The speed bonus you gain stands in no correlation to the time you waste gaining the stacks.
    It´s like needing to get chased by the killer, to get the Prove Thyself speed bonus. Several times, and the bonus is only temporary.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Raziel said:

    Are you deliberately confusing perks that reward skillful play with perks that compensate for lack of skill?

    STBFL rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and dish out hits on the other survivors only, whenever they get the chance during a chase.

    PWYF rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and, in a multiple survivors chased scenario, can trigger the perk by temporarily switching targets.

    Whispers is not a very good perk but it does reward spacial awareness and mental triangulation.

    DS rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing.
    Self Care rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing but were let go after 1 hit because the killer had to switch targets or shift his attention towards the gens.
    Sprint Burst rewards survivors who failed to notice the killer closing in on them.
    Adrenaline rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing AND were helped by survivors who failed at hook rescues (circumstantial)

    Now who's deliberately confusing things as well as posting absolute nonsense.

    DS rewards you for hitting that skillcheck and if the killer runs into you at the start or sees your the obsession they'll tunnel you. You want more looping then congrats everyone will loop non stop from now on because hey that's the only way to lose the killer.

    Self Care rewards you for taking hits near the hook (hint there's an achievement for doing it), it rewards you for LOSING THE KILLER you know that thing you said a caught survivor is bad at. Don't go making excuses now as for why the killer lost that survivor since it isn't just to swap targets or do gens.

    That survivor gets to use SC because they lost the killer, it doesn't reward failing at hiding or did you mysteriously forget someone sandbagging or dragging killer while running to other person? I mean it's not like there isn't a Doctor that shocks you out of hiding,

    It's not like there's killers that're good at stealth and for sneaking up on people, it's not like Whispers doesn't help or gasp a Scratched Mirror Myers with 32m aura range. It's almost like amanda with her addon for seeing people and MYers with the Mirror completely ignore hdiing.

    Sprint Burst rewards survivors for taking risks and staying on that gen till the last moment, it also rewards risky moves if done right. But hey lets ignore those pesky facts because they don't fit your narrative.

    Adrenaline rewards survivors who take a chance that that perk will actually be there at the end of the game since if they get hooked and or sac'd 1st it was a wasted perk slot. Yet again more pesky facts that don't fit your narrative.

    Both sides have good and bad perks that do different things and oh here's another perk that is risky asf but oftentimes screws you over but hey it won't ft your narrative.

    NO MITHER.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Tsulan said:

    @powerbats said:

    @Tsulan said:

    STBFL is viable
    PWYF hasn´t been good since the devs butchered Myers perks. It gives more disadvantages than advantages
    Whispers is... well there are way better detection perks. Since it only gives you a really rough estimation where a survivor could be.

    PWYF is really good with Spirit Fury right now, especially on Myers.

    Whispers if you're paying attention you just move back and forth and you pretty much home in on the person hiding.

    No, it´s not. The speed bonus you gain stands in no correlation to the time you waste gaining the stacks.
    It´s like needing to get chased by the killer, to get the Prove Thyself speed bonus. Several times, and the bonus is only temporary.

    THen you're using it wrong since killers that know how to use it best seem to do just fine with it. It's no different than any other perk on either side, use it to it's fullest with other perks and items, or addons with /killer/survivors and you do well.

    If you don't use any of those combos to their fullest you don't do as well.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    powerbats said:

    @Tsulan said:

    @powerbats said:

    @Tsulan said:

    STBFL is viable
    PWYF hasn´t been good since the devs butchered Myers perks. It gives more disadvantages than advantages
    Whispers is... well there are way better detection perks. Since it only gives you a really rough estimation where a survivor could be.

    PWYF is really good with Spirit Fury right now, especially on Myers.

    Whispers if you're paying attention you just move back and forth and you pretty much home in on the person hiding.

    No, it´s not. The speed bonus you gain stands in no correlation to the time you waste gaining the stacks.
    It´s like needing to get chased by the killer, to get the Prove Thyself speed bonus. Several times, and the bonus is only temporary.

    THen you're using it wrong since killers that know how to use it best seem to do just fine with it. It's no different than any other perk on either side, use it to it's fullest with other perks and items, or addons with /killer/survivors and you do well.

    If you don't use any of those combos to their fullest you don't do as well.

    I'm not using it at all. Since it's as powerful as Fire Up.
    Constantly have to find and lose the obsession, only to get a small temporary speedboost that goes away when I hit someone. 

    Killer has to find, chase, and lose the obsession twice for a minor bonus that is gone after 2 hits. Then rinse and repeat. 

    Totally worthless. 
  • Raziel
    Raziel Member Posts: 100

    @powerbats said:

    @Raziel said:

    Are you deliberately confusing perks that reward skillful play with perks that compensate for lack of skill?

    STBFL rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and dish out hits on the other survivors only, whenever they get the chance during a chase.

    PWYF rewards killers who keep track of their obsession and, in a multiple survivors chased scenario, can trigger the perk by temporarily switching targets.

    Whispers is not a very good perk but it does reward spacial awareness and mental triangulation.

    DS rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing.
    Self Care rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing but were let go after 1 hit because the killer had to switch targets or shift his attention towards the gens.
    Sprint Burst rewards survivors who failed to notice the killer closing in on them.
    Adrenaline rewards survivors who have failed at hiding AND failed at chasing AND were helped by survivors who failed at hook rescues (circumstantial)

    Now who's deliberately confusing things as well as posting absolute nonsense.

    DS rewards you for hitting that skillcheck and if the killer runs into you at the start or sees your the obsession they'll tunnel you. You want more looping then congrats everyone will loop non stop from now on because hey that's the only way to lose the killer.

    Self Care rewards you for taking hits near the hook (hint there's an achievement for doing it), it rewards you for LOSING THE KILLER you know that thing you said a caught survivor is bad at. Don't go making excuses now as for why the killer lost that survivor since it isn't just to swap targets or do gens.

    That survivor gets to use SC because they lost the killer, it doesn't reward failing at hiding or did you mysteriously forget someone sandbagging or dragging killer while running to other person? I mean it's not like there isn't a Doctor that shocks you out of hiding,

    It's not like there's killers that're good at stealth and for sneaking up on people, it's not like Whispers doesn't help or gasp a Scratched Mirror Myers with 32m aura range. It's almost like amanda with her addon for seeing people and MYers with the Mirror completely ignore hdiing.

    Sprint Burst rewards survivors for taking risks and staying on that gen till the last moment, it also rewards risky moves if done right. But hey lets ignore those pesky facts because they don't fit your narrative.

    Adrenaline rewards survivors who take a chance that that perk will actually be there at the end of the game since if they get hooked and or sac'd 1st it was a wasted perk slot. Yet again more pesky facts that don't fit your narrative.

    Both sides have good and bad perks that do different things and oh here's another perk that is risky asf but oftentimes screws you over but hey it won't ft your narrative.

    NO MITHER.

    Oh my, a skill check. If you never get caught DS is worthless. And it takes skill to not get caught. It takes merely equipping the perk to get a safety net.

    Against good killers you will get to use SC if the killer lets you. I dare you to get away and use SC against me. You won't.

    Explain to me what risk is involved in staying longer on the gen and using sprint burst since you are guaranteed to make up the lost distance gap EVERY TIME. Where is the risk?

    Adrenaline rewards loopers aka players who are not skilled enough to avoid the killer.

    If No Mither is the perk that allows survivors to show off actual skill then why is it not used 96% of the time, as SC is? Can we go ahead and say that 96% of the survivors are simply bad? Yes, yes we can.