Some notes from the recent Tru3 vs Otz match
A few days ago Tru3 and Otz got into a match together that was pretty entertaining.
There's Otz's POV and below Tru3
And now some interesting things to note...
Potato Survivors at Red Rank
That Dwight. Dude was terrible at looping and avoiding Trickster's knives. Dude constantly made terrible decisions and got knocked out of the game super quickly.
The others... at one point Tru3 looped Otz for over a minute and not a single gen popped. There were multiple points of the match where Tru3 ran Otz around forever and really nothing of consequence happen. What are his teammates doing during this time?
The David not letting Tru3 heal him near the end and instead opting to run waaaaaaaay off to somewhere out into the open to heal instead. ??????
That Claudette trying to BM Otz at hatch and accidentally using self-care instead of opening the hatch and getting killed for it. Beautiful
TRU3 IS PRETTY DAMN GOOD...
Tru3 is pretty damn good. Otz... was pretty much never going to catch him in this match. Otz is one of the best killer players in the game and he had no ######### chance vs Tru3 in this match. Yeah he was playing trickster but you got all these people asking for the removal of bloodlust and how OP killers are and Tru3 is just effortlessly running him for minutes at a time, forcing him to give up chase after pretty much accomplishing nothing. And watch those ######### knife dodges after jumping the fence at the preschool. ######### madman.
I'm pretty sure Otz injured him 3 times only in this match. Once from a long chase with knives that Otz dropped after. Once from Tru3 committing to a gen. And then again when Tru3 committed to opening the gate and escaped.
This is a point because I read in all the forums time after time from people claiming Tru3 sucks at the game and is just a killer main who can't play survivor.
OTZ IS pretty GOOD too
Aside from Tru3, he pretty much smashed the rest of the survivor team with one of the shittiest Killers ever released for the game. Also good guy trying to keep his chat from stirring drama up before the match started.
TUNNELING???
I'm sure that poor Dwight is off somewhere talking to his friends about how Otz had to tunnel him out of a match. It's pretty obvious he's just not that good and had some pretty bad luck this match. Dude just could not stop running into Otz and then didn't have the skills to properly loop him at all. Otz tried his best not to tunnel but there's only so much he can do when the Dwight keeps running right into him.
Some survivor players just need to accept that they suck at the game sometimes and the killer isn't tunneling. They just suck so much(relatively to the killer and everyone else) they die first.
TRICKSTER ######### SUCKS
I'm sure if Otz was playing a better killer he could've caught Tru3 in this match but god damn. It was ######### silly just watching Tru3 run him around for ######### ever and him pretty much never gaining any distance.
Also Trickster ultimate ability ######### sucks holy jesus Christ. Otz would've been better off not trying to use it at all the few times he tried this match.
Honestly if Tru3 had even a decent team, Otz had no ######### chance this match with the Trickster.
That is all. Just an interesting match that I thought people who didn't realize happened would like to see and I know everyone loves these two guys.
Comments
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If trickster was 115% none of these issues would happen..
Otz is not the best. But just Good reguardless..
Same with tru3..
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It's always interesting to see the same match from more than one POV. Otz seemed pretty low-energy -- not a complaint; just an observation.
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Tru3 is very good at survivor too, not just at killer.
Otz played trickster with no add ons on Badham. If all red ranked survivors in that match were on Tru3 level, no hooks would be even seen on that map.
Also this might be the last match we could see them play together since people in both chats were acting like crazy 13 year olds. No wonder streamers usually dodge other streamers in the lobby, what a cringe show
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What was it like a "my streamer could beat up your streamer" thing?
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What was the map?
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Yes and also reminder that they are playing vs the other one every single 30 seconds in case we forgot. Not to mention some toxic ones but they were banned very fast.
Some people don't realize that not only Tru3 and Otz are basically friends, but also many of their followers and subs are shared in between them.
My strimer better than yours and other drama queen behaviour xD
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Otz and tru3's followers do seem a bit culty at times. No offence to those two, it's not like they encourage it as far as I can see
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Trickster is the worst killer in the game right now imo.
He should be 115 and main event needs to actually be a good ability.
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Yes and not just with these two. Its like twitch mentality in general, making everything into "us vs them" and I hate it. Kinda reminds me of this forum with survivor vs killer posts haha
But yes people do be acting like cultists sometimes and take the game too seriously
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Is no one going to bring up the fact that the Dwight brought an abdominal dressing on his brown med-kit making it so it couldn't even heal 1 health state?
That Dwight somehow manged to nerf his own brown med-kit into uselessness before the game even began!
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No offence but:
This match brings nothing new to the table. Literally just a
"oh look! 1 streamer versed that other streamer so let's talk about it for no reason"
No chase was particularly impressive, no actions were particularly unique from either side, teammates made bad decisions (as usual in solo queue) so yes, what's so special about this match?
I could post literal 4 minute chases against pre-nerf Freddy (without interruptions. Full 4 minutes in one chase) where my teammates would do maybe 1-2 gens.
Shall we discuss that as well ? (obviously a rhetoric question)
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The thing is if you face 2+ survs that are as good as true(who is not an expert),you will lose 90% of the time those matches.
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115 would help with a lot of tiles just destroying his power, but it wouldn't fix his low map pressure.
I think this match shows that no matter how good a player you are, certain killers just have skill ceilings that limit your skill. If he played Micheal or Trapper this match would have played out the same. But with Nurse or Spirit or maybe Huntress/Oni it'd be a different story. Too many killers have a low skill ceiling/room to use their power compared to survivor utility.
I love Shape, for example. But if I see 4 survivors that I know are amazing loopers I already know I have zero chance of winning, because Shape can't deal with loops, and there's no aspect to his power that will help with that.
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Otz its one of the best killers because..... ugh.... he does 4k everytime in stream, please believe me!!!!
Dont get me wrong. Hes a nice person and i also watch him, but he almost always plays vs bots. He usually forgives survivors mistakes, and even so, he manages to do 4k. Nothing to see here tbh...
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I don’t think much can be taken from this match tbh. It’s just a classic example of a boring solo queue match. No exciting chases, went on for longer than it should have because of survivors being allergic to gens, basically nothing remotely interesting happened (unless you count the Claudette screwing herself with Self Care, which is always kind of funny, granted).
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Trickster is never, ever, ever, going to down a good survivor in a reasonable amount of time unless they make a mistake. He is an awful killer. Genuinely unplayable IMO against a good team. And I can't say that about any other killer.
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I think its more of a summary of the matches
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That was a very good showcase of how not to play Trickster.
His power is deceptively simple. You hold W at survivors and they go down. Their skill doesn't matter. You don't mindgame, you don't go for fancy nonsense, you just walk at people with knives and the best they can do is loop a high wall. That House of Pain play was perfect from Tru3, but to be honest Otz was massively overthinking it.
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They're both really great content creators but it pains me to agree with this
It got to the point where Otz has to dodge streamers in his lobbies because his 'fans' (he probably wouldn't call them that) will harrass streamers he goes against or tell them what he's running and so on.
I don't know if Tru3 does anything similar since I don't watch him as often but at least Otz tries to be a bit responsible with his fanbase.
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This is a side effect of the parasocial relationships streamers try to foster. They say "we" rather than "I" to try and make viewers feel included. It's important for the business model to make them feel like friends of the streamer.
There's one clip on otz's channel where this guy is donating money in order to talk to him about his racist grandma...... Just a conversation via 5$ increments. It was incredibly sad and weird.
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Either way. These 2 did more research on trickster than the entire design, balance and testing teams combined. Who gave the green light to ship this killer in their current condition? I'm starting to wonder if trickster was pushed out prematurely so they could pave the way for the RE chapter.
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clearly the survivor's skill does matter. If it didn't matter tru3 would went down. Its why Trickster is regarded as extremely bad and very low-tier. When the survivor is good, you won't down them regardless of your skill-level as killer. You'll see when MMR is implemented. When you face 4 Tru3-level survivors on one team, Trickster and a lot of other weak killers will often be an auto-lose. Currently Matchmaking has.... those Dwight level people at red ranks due to bad scoring/emblem system so it makes Trickster and a lot of other killers look a lot better than they're suppose to be.
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Don't assume that because it's Otz he played well. By his own admission he doesn't understand Trickster.
I have gone agaisnt a lot of good survivors as trickter. They used to use me as a plaything. Then I realized (because I just switched my brain off to mindlessly practice his knives) how to play him and suddenly my chases have this 30-40 second cap and that's assuming the survivor was amazing. That is literally Tricksters strength - not being able to be ran around for very long. The only reason it's an auto-lose is because survivors always have the default victory of doing gens even agaisnt Nurse.
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Bhvr released a April Fools gone wrong killer.. that's what happened =D
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Technically.
You can't beat Michael's T3 lunge or his fast vault..
Makes any filler pallet unsafe against him due to the fact he can just lunge halfway on one side and finish his lunge on the pallet.
It's still strong. that would've changed the pace of the match if he was Michael so to say,
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Not exactly, his early game is much worse than Trickster who can immediately jump into a chase, micheal is at the mercy of 3rd person cameras and high walls until he gets his T2. And then he's just trapless trapper.
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You'll be very surprised how many people don't pay attention..
You can see games where you can't see michael's head because of what the background is.
(Which is very surprising despite how bland the background can be) from a mile away..
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