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Why are people saying Wraith is now top tier?
Just played as and against Wraith sure he's better. But there's no way he's even touching A tier. Still no chase potential. Still map dependent on wether the twenty meters matter. And exhaustion perks still own him. I'm baffled by the people saying Wraith is suddenly on the level of Oni and Huntress.
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They are just noobs. He is not even remotely close to A tier.
He still needs a full on rework or at least a new mechanic to his power, just some creative buffs.
**I didn't mean to sound rude with this comment so sorry if I came off as so.
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Wraith only needs a QOL change or two; and they've been doing that.
He's slept on and underrated at the moment.
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If you're good, he is. It's hard bordering on impossible to overstate how important mobility is in this game. Playing Blight without knowing how to use Lethal Rush is still one of the strongest killers in the game. And Wraith has a very simple chase power that makes him very dangerous at filler tiles like rock loops. Add onto that some of his add-ons and he's actually way better than Huntress.
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I love wraith at the moment, mobility is always something a lot of killers struggle with and having that windstorm base speed with addons is so good. Throw in the bone clapper and some good perks and he's a whole lot of fun
Not that old wraith was bad, but feeling required to run windstorm was a bit annoying when all of his addons are good and interesting.
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Nah I don't think so. Mobility while I agree is huge can't win on it's own a Blight can run around easily but without being able to get hits with lethal Rush It'll be a struggle since mobility on its own isn't everything. Billy and Oni come with an insta down. Blight being able to get hits that others won't catch up to. And Nurse obviously best power in the game. And Wraiths lunge gets him the first hit. But that's it a survivor with a healing build or Medkits will make Wraith's hit and run worthless if they're healed up when you find them again. Although his add-ons definitely boost him up.
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Have you gone agasint a Wraith with a good build that uses their power in chases? A little regression, a little lethality? Like it or not, you cannot claim a killer is weak because they use m1 gameplay (because m1 gameplay is an even competition) unless you're talking about predropping pallets, in which case its more of a baseline gen speed issue that Huntress and Oni and all the other A-tier killers fall prey to it except for Wraith because he has very good mobility.
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I wouldn't say that Wraith is top tier with his buff but definetely upper middle tier/B tier
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How does Huntress suffer against pallets she just throws her hatchets above them. Oni does at first but then they're a breeze. While Wraith's power helps at simple loops. Once good windows show up were a survivor vaults before Wraith can even uncloak there's no chasing. Especially since he'll have to cloak then uncloak if he wants to lunge. And yes a Wraith with Sloppy and Pop on Badham I felt sorry for the poor Wraith.
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Hold W, predrop pallets, no other strong killer at all can ever do anything. Huntress has to break most pallets in the game because they're at high walled loope and this gameplay is also the only reason Oni isn't taken seriously as a tournament killer. Plague, Hag, Billy, Bubba, none of them can do anything. Trust me, I've tried them all in my quest to escape the hell that is AU servers, where no-one is good and everyone predrops. Wraith and Billy are the only ones that stand much of a chance, but Wraith is significantly better than Billy because he loses much less distance coming out of his power.
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So on the best survivor maps like Badham, The Game, Storehouse, or Gas Heaven. Wraith will be able to do fine?
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And yes a Wraith with Sloppy and Pop on Badham I felt sorry for the poor Wraith.
That's Badham though.
It's trash for everyone
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Better than Huntress or Oni against the same team.
I actually play a lot of Huntress normally, I do like her, but she falls so hard to predrop-and-W.
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Gas Heaven and Storehouse?
Yes
The Game?
Maybe,depends how smart the Wraith is,what perks and addons he runs etc.
Badham?
This map is insanely hard to win as every killer tbh
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I'm not lol, wraith is meh at best when against good survivors
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Tiny effort and large reward. He's possibly the straight up easiest Killer to play in the game. I like playing him, but by no margin do I ever think I did anything remarkable to deserve my 4K unlike Trickster, Twins, or Huntress where I feel like I worked for it.
I'd start off by removing his Pink Clapper add on and making the Yellow one Pink. I know that's not the biggest concern on him, but removing the bing bong from him is a crime against Wraith kind even when he was weak. Let him ring his bell!
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tbf thats half of the cast
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Only watched the Crotus match and i have to say that you played well,but the survivor you went against were really bad
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I main wraith when I play killer I think I used windstorm once and I got a 2k but with faster appearance time it was constant 4k I eventually got bored of it so I started learning Myers and Demo still haven't touched him after this buff I'm terrified they might have done a Billy and dome something to hinder him as well with the buff
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Wraith is the new Freddy. Instantly transverse the map with his BBQ, then get a free hit or down with his ridiculous speed boost and lunge.
Watch a wraith carefully to discover his broken power: they uncloak constantly.
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The buff was good for wraith but I honestly think they went to far with that ridiculous lunge he gets coming out of cloak.
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Tbh, Wraith has been giving me trouble each time I'm up against him. That and it depends how the team is doing against him.
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That's how I feel. He's "The" M1 killer. Very little effort needed to get a 4k. He needs another look at.
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Sure, Bubba cannot prevent a predrop, but that actually works into his favor, since he can precharge his chainsaw and then destroy the dropped pallet instantly. And when a survivor does that repeatedly, they will have lost all their defences mid-game (except on busted maps like The Game, maybe). If the survivor tries to loop, that actually might hurt bubba more (if the surv knows what they are doing).
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Hey Sluzzy, I wonder, did you create a Wraith OP Thread so far? Guess that one is missing.
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i think he's mid-tier without addons but with addons he is almost completly diffrent killer.
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What midgame? That is the midgame. Early game: looking for a survivor. Midgame: Chase either one or various survivors who all play extremely safe and offer no chance to get an early down. Consequently, gens fly by. Endgame: You get your first hook 2 and a half minutes into the game, they finish off the last gens before you interrupt them.
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Midgame as one or two gens left and all pallets gone. So they have to repair the most difficult gens with next to no ressources remaining.
Of course you shouldn't over-commit to a pallet thrower, destroy a few and go back to your gens. If all the survivor predrop every available pallets, they should create dead zones around the gens in no time.
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I personally think he's fine, not every killer has to be A tier or higher.
He is definitely no where near A tier, still C tier in my opinion, but I think that's okay.
I would rather the devs put time into other killers that need changes more.
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Its the same why many people say doctor is op. Bad survivor hate it when they cant hide and they struggle when they need to loop differently.
Idk whether some addon combos are too strong, but basekit wraith is low B-tier/C-tier.
His lunge from uncloaking is not that strong. Its only a safe hit on unsafe pallets or a 50/50 mindgame on some loops (t/l). His bodyblocking is stronger to get a hit.
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So his add-ons are the issue and not his base?
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It's good against unsafe loops. But against good loops and especially windows he's helpless.
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Hi sluzzy
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Because he was in a good spot even before the buffs. Now he doesn't even need addons in most games.
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Reading the comments of this thread has been so surreal. People stating how Wraith is "A" tier with add-ons now. And one even comparing him to Huntress in terms of power.
Wraith is, and always has been, a mediocre killer at base. The QoL changes he has received of late are just that. He still struggles at safe loops. He still struggles against competent survivors. He just feels better to play now is all.
And as much fun as it is breaking pallets 80% faster while cloaked, or having near-permanent wallhacks active, or uncloaking silently, a killer's add-ons are only as good as their power. And Wraith's just isn't good enough when compared to the alternatives to be considered, well, "good". He's only decent.
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When all 4 people are doing the same thing, it's not possible to make a right play. That's the point I'm trying to make - your idea of the "midgame" in this extremely common scenario starts 90 seconds into the trial and last 90 seconds unless you're playing a killer that can actually move around the map. And yes, I'm factoring in ten seconds of survivors moving between gens into those estimations.
In those conditions, Wraith performs better than any other killer bar Spirit, Nurse or Blight. Or possibly Hillbilly, the survivors have a much harder time holding W against an instadown killer.
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And according to some new Wraith is stronger then Oni.
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And the map isn't instantly coated in grease when I decide to play Blight.
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I'm a Rank 1 Wraith player from way before the buffs.
The buffs are nice and he definitely needed that movement speed increase base kit during cloak.
That being said I can understand how there are Survivors who would consider him a bit overwhelming to deal with using certain Perks / Addons combos. (Though many other Killers share this in common)
I can tell you from my own personal experience, as one of the better Wraith players in the game, at least in my opinion..
- He is still extremely Perk reliant, sure I play at Rank 1, but Wraith is one of the ONLY Killers I play that I cannot play without taking at LEAST 2 Purple Addons into every single match. If I don't take my 2 Purple Addons it is almost Guaranteed I will get 0-1 Kills with him and also Depip.. the only possible way to stay competitive at Red Ranks with Wraith is to use his Best Addons every single match. This ends up being kind of annoying, and very expensive, if I am playing Wraith basically 100% of my Awarded Bloodpoints per each and every match are going directly back into Buying Addons for him to be able to continue playing. His Bloodpoint Upkeep is extremely high - and that is something to consider when playing as him.
- "Pro Survivors" aka Survivors that know how to Loop efficiently, especially USING WINDOWS - and OMFG if there are 2 Windows near eachother - it is actually legit 100% impossible to get a hit on a Survivor with him. This is rather uncommon, I admit, but it is also a 100% fact that there are certain areas where a Survivor that knows exactly what they are doing can make it completely impossible for a Wraith to get a hit. I've had it happen to me before and if I try to continue to waste time with that Survivor I will absolutely throw the game so I just have to leave them alone. Coincidentally (and I know because this has only happened to me a few times so I can remember each one), usually these areas happen to be right next to Gens, so that means I have to give up on that Gen entirely because if I ever try to defend it I will just waste time never getting a hit on the Survivor working on it. Each of these games have ended in a Depip for me with "Entity Displeased". The only point that I am trying to make is that people need to realize and understand that one of the differences between Wraith and other Killers is that against really good Survivors and Windows or Certain areas (houses, shacks) he is actually at a much larger disadvantage than other Killers would be against that same Survivor in the same place.
- I play Wraith because he is Fun to play, he was actually one of the very first Killers I ever tried in DBD. He was fun to play even BEFORE the Buffs, he is still fun to play now. But to be honest, I am a better Wraith player than I am on almost any other killer now (cause I have played him the most), and yet I still find it easier to get 4K in Red Ranks on many other Killers besides Wraith - sure Wraith may not be "complicated" to play - but by NO MEANS is he "EASY" to get a 4K with in Red Ranks.. in fact, almost EVERY 4K in Red Ranks I have to play extremely sweaty and give it my best using my best Addons. Not doing so will get you punished very quickly and it will be more difficult to come back from a mistake than with another "Stronger" Killer. I think many other Killers are less stressful to play in Red Ranks - Spirit can essentially do almost the same thing that Wraith can but without having to "Decloak" lol (of course I know they are not the same, but my point is that it's basically easier to do anything on Spirit than Wraith for me and I'm not even a good Spirit player at all - Imagine if I used 2 Purple Addons on Spirit every single match how EASY it would be to get constant 4K's in comparison lol)
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I have played him extensively after the buffs. He has so many weaknesses that you ignore in favour of spouting this strategic bravado. They are as follows:
- He's still one of the only killers in the game you can lightburn.
- He's still heavily reliant on good map rng. (Try creating a dead zone with only windows)
- He's still heavily reliant on running good perks. (At least one slowdown perk is mandatory)
- He still has little map pressure. (Albeit better map traversal)
- And he can still absolutely be bullied by good survivors. (But this is true of many killers)
It doesn't matter how consistently you ambush people. Downing survivors quickly with a strong power is the only viable tactic against survivors who know what they're doing. In high skill games, your proposed tactic of "Hit & Run" quickly becomes; "Hit & Run to the gen that just popped", because simply injuring people isn't enough.
He certainly does have his strengths. But thinking that he's more viable than he actually is just because he doesn't have to use Windstorm each game is absurd.
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Lunge uncloak and cloak m/s is why I would say he is almost A tier, but High B
That lunge can blast through a pallet unexpecting, it can sometimes even swing straight through Dead hard and (In the right spots) can lunge wraith on top of obstacles
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Forgot healing perks and med kits can crush his hit and run
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The power of Blood Fury is much stronger then base Wraith. And we shouldn't decide how much a character is high based on add-ons other wise Trapper should be out of the F tier.
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Absolutely not.
Oni is waaaay stronger than Wraith.
Wraiths addons can't compete with the lethality of Onis addons
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Agreed an all seeing Wraith with silent bell still isn't beating Lion Fang and Scalped top knot.
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He's certainly top tier annoying.
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You wrote a Bubba cannot do anything when the survs predrop every pallets, which I disagree with. Imo predropping pallets is not much of an issue for a bubba, he will just mow them down. Thats the only remark I wanted to make.
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Your kidding right? He's atleast b teir mb a if played correctly with addons
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You've managed to take away the most important thing I wanted to convey. Wraith is not part of the "Big Three", as you called them. He suffers under the same limitations as every other killer not in the holy trinity. You can do some neat stuff with him. But not enough to win games against good players.
I think we can both agree on that.
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Oh yeah. That too.
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Yes and no while he has minmual chase potential if they are at a good loop I just leave them so he technically doesn't have to deal with loops if you play like that your only counter is medkits and self care
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