Are bad survivors aware they're bad? Or have they been mislead?
So I see many posts on the forums and receive many messages in game complaining how OP or strong killers are against solo q survivors or just straight out the killers need nerfs. But when iv versed these people I notice they really have very little understanding of killer powers or loops in general so I'm confused why they think a killer should be nerfed etc. (Quick example had a game where the survivors never really touched a gen and just all went for altruism, trading hooks while no understanding of tiles or pallets etc.) Yet those same survivors said killers need a nerf, these players was rank 2/3 so is the rank making them feel like they cant improve and the games imbalanced? Are they just survivor mains? As someone who plays both roles at rank 1 I always struggle to see a killer as a power role, iv never been this killer is op when I get destroyed as survivor as its usually down to my team not doing gens or chases etc.
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Most red rank survivors are carried by doing gens all game and pre dropping every safe pallet imaginable
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It's hard to say, but what you are saying is true. Efficent survivors even a good solo team splits up on generators and hammers them out, but the case of this happening in a non SWF that is actually trying their hardest to win is very slim. Most survivors aren't aware that they are just not that good in my opinion. I'm not that great at survivor, but I do for the most part have knowledge about pretty much of all the roaster, since I main killer. Most survivors don't play killer. If they do it's not very much, so what ends up happening is, is that they don't know the POV of the killer they are going against, so they don't understand the counter to powers most time. Killer is kind of op in most solo rounds, and most SWF rounds simply because majority of people don't know tiles and or to counter the killer they are going against. In terms of efficient solo's and good swf's/deathsquads the killer is no longer the power role if they know how to do gens efficiently, and micromanage hook states.
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So I noticed you said you wasnt the best survivor but still had understanding of the killers, do you think killers should be nerfed? Personally I feel alot of killers need slight buffs, I do consider myself one of those top % players as hell I know every tile, map, totem spawn etc. But i dont use meta perks and i never feel powerless. While I dont feel everyone should be an amazing survivor I do feel the biggest issue is alot of survivors dont do gens and tend to trade hooks etc. Which tends to be the downfall of their team than the killer was too op. I'm curious if you feel the same as or slightly different?
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Well the majority of my playtime is 70 killer 30 survivor spanning 2.3k hours. I don't think any killers need a nerf. I think spirit could possibly be toned down a bit, because she is incredibly busted with Stridor, but I don't think anyone else needed a nerf in the roaster. Mainly Freddy and Twins they were fine in my opinion. You are correct though most survivors are the downfall of the entire team. Most survivors blame the killer, but that isn't the case that happens in the round. If you hook bomb like most survivors do then that's the survivors fault. If you crouch around while the killer isn't even remotely close or even willing to take a chase you are actively hurting your team.
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A lot of people in general fail to see the lack of skill they have. It's easier for ego protecting to blame everything else.
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As for spirit I feel stridor is okay but some of her addons need to be toned down, mainly the speed/duration. Iv played both roles since release so iv noticed when spirits do really well its because of the addons which allow her to adjust movements without the need to make the right reads (basically she can make the wrong players but addons give her alot of time to adjust multiple time) I dont feel iron will should fully counter a power but yeah I do agree alot of survivors seem to do that play style and wonder why they arent performing as well. I guess most forget it's a 4v1 and being efficient is important from gens to loops
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The second part of this about people not playing the other role is incredibly true. People that play both roles normally end up just being better at the game faster because they had to deal with the BS that they will then use in their own games.
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By bs I assume you mean counters and play styles? Which in that case completely agree, I get that most people dont do killer as they find it harder, less enjoyable or just more effort which in that case it already explains it. Even me who has played both roles since release know I can improve in certain areas whether that be something like hag which I dont enjoy or survivor on yamo maps (I cant remember how to spell the damn maps lol, onion and spirits maps) dunno why but I struggle on these while most other are easy. But I accept that's an issue I need to improve on and not a balance issue
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A good example of what i mean by BS would be something like abusing broken safe setups to avoid dropping pallets. Once its done to you once as killer you understand it then when you play suv you keep an eye out for something similar and then you do it and playing killer has made you a better suv faster than just playing suv. Thats what i mean sorry wasent that precise
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I play both roles. I'm terrible at both roles. I understand the game, but I'm the worst at looping and can never remember what to do at tiles (I've watched videos multiple times, but when I'm in the thick of it I just... forget it all). Most people aren't self-aware, though, and will blame their failings on others.
Solo survivor can suck due to bad teammates and/or matches in which it feels like I never had a chance to participate, but killer is the stressful role. A killer is stronger than an uncoordinated solo team, but otherwise killer is the weaker role because a killer can't be in four places at once and survivors who understand and capitalize on that win. Me dying as a survivor in almost every match doesn't change that: I don't die because the other side is OP, I die because I don't get better and because my survival is dependent on the other three survivors not being potatoes. But again, self-awareness is key and the majority of people lack self-awareness, that's why psychologists can make so much money.
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Once someone admits to their own doings they are self aware in a sense. Majority of people a very large chunk of people don't admit to themselves and or blame other for their own doings or their mistakes. Skill etc... Those are the unaware people, and the dbd community is filled with them.
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Yes, that's how I got pretty good at killer was playing survivor, and that's how I got pretty decent at survivor. Just learn both sides, and it's much better.
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I'm aware I'm pretty bad on both survivor and killer, which is why I try to refrain from calling any side strong/weak unless it's a claim that can be substantiated outside of my own personal experiences.
When I see people come to the forums and demand we nerf SWF because killers are weak and survivors OP etc etc and then a stream of them playing surfaces and they are ######### terrible, I'm like "yikes... don't wanna be that guy".
That said, I am as qualified as anybody to say what I find -Fun-. To me, being camped is not fun. Being gen rushed on huge maps with low mobility is not Fun. Certain killers are not fun, to play as and against. These opinions are, of course, important, because if the majority of the player base doesn't find something fun, then it should really be changed.
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Most people completely overestimate how good they are. Their ego won’t allow them to accept that they’re the reason they lost, so they externalise blame.
There’s a particular poster here who complains about how OP the other side is all the time but if you watch their gameplay, you see them making tons of mistakes that contribute massively to their losses. Unfortunately the blame mindset means they’ll probably never really improve because improvement requires first accepting that you’re not that good.
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Yes the games should be fun for either side I agree but I also dont believe bad survivors should escape or win. If survivors cant loop and arent really doing gens they shouldn't win as it seems odd to play bad yet still win? Doesnt really make sense to me, personally I feel too many survivors expect to escape, and too many killers want 4k (12hooks) while neither should be a thing. Solo is most balanced though, and you cant call killers op because your team is bad? No different to a simple 4v4death match on other games, you can have a terrible team but it doesnt mean its unbalanced at game core just bad matchmaking or your team was just bad. Swf I agree with alot of people it's not very fun and that's due to the com info they can share which is huge! From hexs, perks, gen locations, gen progress, killer location, killer direction etc. A simple debuff to action speed would balance that. It's not punishing swf its balancing it, if you have come you can play more optimal and therefore the challenge should be slightly harder. Simply put, bad players shouldn't win. Camping should be discouraged and swf shouldn't be as strong. Buffing bad survivors means buffing good survivors...
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It could be that some of those survivors, who aren't that good, would be more likely to accept and learn from their performance, were there not such a stigma on playing badly.
Often, there's a pressure that falls on players to avoid being a "n00b" or "bad", which some players love to label and rub in their faces. Maybe by going a bit softer on those peeps and offer encouragement or advice, instead of berating them on their lack of skill, would make those survivors feel more inclined to learn from their mistakes and get better.
There will always be some who are too proud to admit it, but beneath this pride lurks fear of not being good enough to the standards of others. Maybe more positive encouragement will aid those in need of improvement, resulting in a quicker boost in skill and, ultimately, enjoyment of the game.
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It depends how long they've played. I've played for a while now and there's days I play really well and escape legitimately through the EG and not the hatch and there's some days (like today so far where I've failed skill checks, taken highly risk moves or walked out infront of the killer 🙂 and I've been cheesed off at myself and not the killer or my fellow team.
But my first match today I've had Kate fix a gen infront of my face and I'm on the struggling phase, killers nowhere near the hook and in a chase thenotuer side of the map and she's just sat there like never mind. 😂
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Your thread title doesn't compute with the op. Mislead by what, or by whom?
In general, survivors are the same as killers, or any player, or people in general i.e. blaming others for their own shortcomings. There's nothing special about game side in this regard.
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"ARE BAD SURVIVORS AWARE THEY'RE BAD? OR HAVE THEY BEEN MISLEAD?"
I wish it was a problem only among survivors, sadly it happens to a lot of killers too.
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Killers can't get carried by others with SWF :)
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No one's really being mislead, it's just a very human thing to do. It's very common to overestimate one's abilities and a lot of the time people can go a long time without that really humbling encounter with someone way better than them. For a rather famous example there was a time where 93% of drivers surveyed about it considered themselves to be above average. There's similar surveys that returned lower percentages of course, anywhere from 60-something% to 80% is rather common.
It's not even some Dunning-Kruger thing because it's not only inexperienced people that engage in this sorta "illusory superiority", most people do it to some extent and it's often hard to admit you're not that great at something. At least in some games you can go look it up and come to a conclusion like "I'm Diamond rank, and Diamond + higher ranks make up the top 13% of players. So I'm above average and then some", in DBD people can't even do that. Or I guess they could figure out the % of people in red ranks, but people wouldn't take it seriously as the skill level variation in red ranks is crazy big.
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Ah yes, the SWF excuse card. I love it when they accuse me of playing with friends yet i'm playing solo :)
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My wife says I play survivor like a Meg. That's good right?
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When I just play by the book, and focus completely on the game, I obviously do better (both as survivor, and killer), but It's also fun to take big risks, and see if you can cash in on some dopamine from some less than optimal plays (which can obviously be seen as "bad plays", when they don't work).
I think a lot of people who make bad plays just don't take the game as seriously as some other people do. That said, I definitely notice "bad survivors", who just don't have much game awareness, when i play killer, but I only play a few weeks at a time, and then take a longer break, so my rank often drops much further down than my "skill level".
The whole complaining thing, is just a part of the internet. I'm obviously the most important person in the world. Why don't everyone else understand that?
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Some killers are in need of work. Spirit, for example, while taking a much needed niche as a top killer, is ridiculously easy for her strength and most of that is because as well as insane mobility and the ability to phase directly on top of people, her power is designed to make people stupid.
Hag, another example, is a facecamping machine. No good Hag relies on hook traps, they just set them to waste a little time, so that's an easy fix.
Blight, my once beloved... Yeah, no, he's pretty much fine outside of the 180.
Nurse... Girl, there is no way to nerf you without turning you into hot trash, so for the time being you can stay. But I don't like you. Screechy #########.
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Bad survivors being red ranks for example. Bad survivors shouldn't be high rank so its misleading them, also you get points towards bp and emblems for wasting a pallet and stunning the killer after being hit, trading hooks straight away even though they have plenty of time on it. Looping near hooked survivors etc. There are many things that give you points for bad plays which is another misleading factor. We reward bad players a little too much, so much I feel they dont grasp it and therefore when they lose even though they die, dont get close to Escaping or lose even with lots of points they're left feeling the killer must be OP because the game told me I done good. Me getting 12hooks at 4/5 isn't the killer op, that's on the survivors. Obviously killers have it too but it's not as bad
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Oh trust me, I know I am bad
We simply embrace our lack of skill
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I kinda think that's a problem for both sides but it's easier to miss as survivor while killer its harder to tell
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I am fully aware that I am bad, thank you
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I'm also aware that I'm bad -- both sides. But I do think, in an ideal world, bad players would match with other bad players and have a chance to play together instead of getting destroyed by good players. So all my blame goes to the matchmaking system instead.
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If we had an actual ranking system these survivors might not be making wild claims about balance. They hit red rank and they assume they must be good when in reality they shouldn't have left yellow.
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Because the game rewards bad survivors, and they wont play killer because that's much harder and you get punished for doing bad
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How do you know that the people you're being matched against are the people complaining on the forum? Survivors aren't a monolith.
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But they can be carried by stupid easy pips with killers like Legion. SWF isn't enough to pull a bad player up to rank 1, even if your squad is amazing. The most it'll reasonably is take someone who otherwise might stall out in purple ranks up to red.
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I knew that I was bad when I first started, I do know that I had an advantage because I knew how to loop... just very badly lol but still I had a headstart on most.
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