Comprehensive List of the reasons why a good nurse is infinitely more fun to go against than a Spiri
1. With nurse you get notified of her power visually and audibly in chase and with spirit you don't.
2.Nurse has semi reliable Counterplay and though every Chase is a guessing game for both spirit has no reliable Counterplay. With nurse you break Los and try to predict where you think she thinks youre gonna go. Then do the opposite. If you read her wrong you get hit. If you don't you get away until she can blink again. With spirit you can drop pallets backwards to throw her off, run spinechill and walk but those don't work if she is competent. She will down you pretty much guaranteed if she has a good headset.
3. Nurse imo is a refreshing new playstyle. Because you have to play so different against nurse it makes her significantly better than spirit. It makes you think outside the box and be resourceful with your surroundings. With spirit you just hope she hears you wrong.
4. Probably the most important reason. Nurse required hours upon hours of practice to play well consistently against good survivors. Even in touneys most high level teams don't get 4kd by a nurse. It does happen but it's not as common as you'd think.
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Yes
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I'd rather face a Spirit than an infectious fright slugging Nurse
Fun is subjective though of course
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Unless the nurse Is one of those sweaty ones who slug everyone and wants to knock down everyone, and don't hook.
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Totally agree
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Nurse is the most fun killer to verse. She was even better to go against before her big nerf last year.
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I don't find Nurse to be all that different form Spirit because she has no counterplay, you're just banking on the Nurse not being good. People also massively overestimate how much practice it takes to be a good Nurse - give it a couple of hours and you'll be mowing down even the best survivors, so long as you also understand that only bad Nurses try and predict the survivors movement, go for 1-blink hits, and let survivors break LoS to mindgame them.
Playing against a Nurse is just hoping that the Nurse is a potato who doesn't understand how to blink. There's no real difference. It's not that hard to be a good Nurse. And even if you are going against a bad Nurse, chances are your teammates aren't familiar with bad Nurse counterplay and you're still going to lose.
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I mean, most of the time yeah, I agree, until it's a 5gen 4man Sally Sluggson in solo. Then they're equally as unfun imo.
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Nope. Not true at all. Deathslinger, Plague, Billy, Huntress, Oni, and maybe even Twins are much harder than her. It's just that she has the most difficult initial learning curve, so people automatically assume she's overall super difficult.
The hardest things to learn about Nurse are indoor maps and blink flicks. But indoor maps are super rare and I'm All Ears exists, and blink flicks are mostly just fancy.
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Nurse is not harder than any of those killers
Billy and Oni maybe, because their power takes more skill than a majority of the cast, but to say that Deathslinger and Plague are harder than Nurse? Deathslingers one of the simplest killers in the game with some cool mechanics because of his tiny spear hitbox and Plague is the opposite of complex as well; you spit on survivor, they get broken, you basic attack, repeat. If they cleanse you drink the pool and end chases in 20 seconds.
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Sorry to break it to you man, but if people who are like robots running the loop against a normal killer, running in a straight line, or looking behind them with a obvious read that they are going to double back are good, then you don't know survivors who are good at running nurse do.
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Deathslinger requires extremely precise aim and game knowledge, something that only comes with far more practice than Nurse. And Plague is easy to get into, not to play well. She's the opposite of Nurse. You need to be good at absolutely everything, her tactics, her mechanics, adjusting plans on the fly, taking in information from the corner of your eye, being amazing at m1 play, being amazing at using Corrupt Purge, reading survivors and adjusing to them and how they cleanse, because unlike most killers she actually can win.
Nurse just learns how to not miss too much and not be an idiot. A bit of non-precise mechanical skill and basic game knowledge and she steamrolls everyone but deathsquads.
Edit: looking at your description of Plague gameplay is painful. You must either lose a lot or go agaisnt really bad survivors.
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Main reasons: She has counters and interactions between survivors
Spirit? No counter, and little interaction between the survivors and the killer.
Nurse? Loads of interactions with the survivors, has counterplay, and is fun to play against for some people.
But no, BHVR nerfed freddy.
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If you're going to argue that Deathslinger requires precise aim, how does that not apply to Nurse?
Deathslingers power is 20x easier to use than Nurses, you literally aim and shoot. If the survivor is dodging you wait for him to dodge back into your shot and shoot. Nurse you actually have to know the precise distance of every blink and where exactly to go, way more difficult than Deathslingers power.
And you're making Plague sound way harder to use than she is, being amazing at M1 play is a basic for almost every killer in the game, and her corrupt purge is not as hard to aim as many people say it is, you just aim ahead or spray it.
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Sorry to break it to you, but I don't go against those kinds of potatoes very often.
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This.
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Thank you for the post. I fully agree.
Simply put, Nurse is easier to counter than Spirit.
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You may have carry over skills from shooters, but most people don't.
To put it simply, Deathslinger requires far more accuracy than Nurse. Nurse, because her hit is always an m1, effectively has a massive projectile that's much easier to aim and doesn't require knowledge of the exact centre of her screen, whereas Deathslinger has a wee pinprick that takes ages to consistently land shots with.
And the fact that you think spray-n-pray is Plagues playstyle shows how much you have to learn. I use her to complete with Deathsquads, can you say the same? If so, you're probably a natural and just don't know it, in which case I'm extremely jealous.
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Where are you getting this information from?
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My own experience playing Nurse.
Edit: And also playing all of these killers and talking to Nurse mains. But mostly my own experience, the Nurse mains didn't open up to me til they saw me on the forums calling out Nurse.
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When it’s a good nurse I think there’s not even a 50/50 like there is with spirit most of the time.
On PlayStation I find it almost impossible to mind game a nurse with breaking LoS or doubling back etc. They just always know where to go and make the hit.
Spirit just seems worse I think cuz generally she’s easier and therefore used more often so the games are more prevalent.
I think people can accept nurses being a pain to go against because there’s objectively a fair bit more skill to master her
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You must be really good then.
Because I learned Nurse from a forum member on here. That was years ago.
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I'll just go make the "Comprehensive list of reasons why a good survivor who can actually loop is infinitely more fun to play against than a survivor who needs Dead Hard to carry them at loops."
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I personally love going against Spirit
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I'm not, actually. That's how I know she's so damn easy. All it takes is basic blinking knowledge and she shreds through just about every team. The same cannot be said for any of the other killers I mentioned.
It's just that people think a sharp learning curve makes a character difficult. Then they ignore what happens when someone is past that initial learning curve.
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I don't even mind facing nurses, if you run Dead Hard it makes facing her a little easier.
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I would rather face a god tier Spirit than a god tier Nurse any day of the weak. Much more counter play with the Spirit.
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hard no. You completely ignored his point. Her power isn't hard to use at all its easy to spit it's easy to m1 we get it. It's managing her kit with your brain. There's tons of cost/ benefit analysis you have to get into depending on how survivors interact with your power
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You know I actually agree with you and believe that you changed my mind on this subject. Killers like Plague do require much more thought and stress to play compared to Nurse. The initial learning curve with Nurse compared to any other killer in this game is much bigger, but like you said once you do learn the distance and timings of her blinks and flicks, you do pretty much roll most teams without having to stress too much.
And with regards to Deathslinger, I practically grew up on FPS games, I’ve been playing Halo and Call of Duty pretty much since I can remember so the projectile killers definitely come a little easier to me.
Thank you for your solid points and changing my perspective.
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I still prefer versing spirits over sweaty nurse slugging maniacs, thanks
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I can't imagine having fun against a good Nurse because she would just blink, and hit you, and then blink again and down you, rinse and repeat 12 times.
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I don't know which Nurse mains you talked to, but the general consensus from what I've seen is that Nurse is very hard to truly master. A lot of people estimate that it takes hundreds of hours to get really good with Nurse. That's because you have to develop muscle memory for each map. Learn how to adapt on the fly. Learn how to make predictions. etc...etc
These type of skills don't come easy unless you practice A LOT.
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Unfortunately, DH isn't a reliable counter to Nurse anymore. The perk is bugged, which means often times you end up exhausted on the ground.
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But... You don't need that at all. Other killers, like Plague, Billy or Huntress, you need to master. Nurse is so ######### nuts that mediocre blink skills and basic map knowledge will have you slaughtering almost everyone you come across without even really thinking about what you are doing. It doesn't take hundreds of hours to reach that point, it takes maybe a dozen. Then... whats left, flick Blinks? Getting slightly more accurate? Going for pointlessly fancy 1-blink hits?
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Plague isn't a complicated killer. Billy and Huntress I agree take time to master. So does Nurse.
Everything I told you about Nurse is true. She requires a lot of experience to be genuinely proficient with. Even before her cool down nerf, Nurse has never been an easy killer to play. That's why so few people actually play her well.
The "mediocre blink skills" and "basic map knowledge" you speak of will not cut it against a full team of optimal survivors. Only experience can help you win those matches.
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Firstly, Plague isn't easy. If she was, people wouldn't double take when I say I prefer to use her against deathsquads than any other killer. Having a low skill floor doesn't make a killer easy any more than a high skillfloor makes them hard.
Second.... Those teams you mentioned beat god nurses all the time. It's called "competitive DbD", and unless there's some massive limits to perks the survivors almost always win without even breaking a sweat no matter how fantastic the Nurse is. And normal DbD doesn't have perk limitations.
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I can do that with any killer.
*Bubba noises
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Sorry, but Plague doesn't require as much skill as the top tier killers. I just don't see it.
As for Nurse, you'd be surprised what a truly good Nurse is capable of. If we were having this conversation a few years ago, I could have referred you to Blinky Bill (one of the best Nurse streamers) so you could see firsthand what a really good Nurse looks like.
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As a former Blight main and someone who is literally talking about how easy she finds Nurse, Plague is really, really hard. Because unlike most killers, she actually can win. She is actually one of the top killers, right there with Oni and Huntress just below Blight. Her only weakness is genrushing, a weakness shared by Nurse, Spirit and Blight.
And seriously, I know what a truly good Nurse can do, and it's completely unnecessary. People so those things because they find her boring AF to play and need something else to do. Why do you think good Nurses don't use slowdown or IF? They find it makes her way too easy.
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You're the first person I've seen claim that Plague is a top tier killer. Only thing I'm going to say is that I disagree (because I've seen zero evidence).
Lastly, the reason why good Nurses run tracking perks is because those are the perks that directly help a good Nurse. They aren't using those perks because they are bored.
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Then you haven't been looking very hard. Otzdarva finally opened his communities eyes to how strong she is. I was so happy when everyone came in a few weeks (months?) back and started asking for Plague advice because they saw what she could do.
And no, tracking perks don't help more than, say, Ruin/Undying. It doesn't matter how good you are, strong perks are strong perks and no perks are banned, so... Nurse is pretty damn easy compared to Blight, Oni, Huntress, Plague, Bubba, Billy, even Hag...
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Your impressions of Nurse are clearly based on facing potato survivors who don’t know how to mindgame her which, to be fair, is the majority of this community. Good survivors make it a guess.
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I one blink people all the time. I just make sure that if they doubled back I could use my second blink to still hit them. This way, I save a charge. One blinking is really efficient if you do it right.
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As a nurse main, i agree to a certain extent, but I really want to know how you play nurse. Do you use add-ons? Slow down perks?
Because if one plays her with double recharge add-on + pop/ruin, they must be really new to the game to lose. But play her basekit without slowdowns against good players, that's a totally different thing. Can you?
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Tbf tracking is one of nurses “weaknesses” so having 1 tracking perk never hurts.
I know from my experience in solo and SWF that the few good plagues I’ve fought have absolutely decimated the team. Same applies to nurse but plague does still have to play the game normally
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Yeah, and you know what Nurses best perk is? The tracking perk that doubles as game slowdown (Infectious Fright).
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I'll take a look at Otz's channel later and see if I can find anything. Unless of course you'd be willing to link me a video.
I still have doubts about Plague. I've never played against a Plague and thought to myself "wow this killer is really strong". Because I just don't think she has the capacity.
As for Nurse, the really good Nurses use tracking perks because it covers their weakness, i.e. stealthy survivors. Good Nurses always want to be in a chase. You may not have been around then, but back in the day there were a decent number of old school Nurses. The old school Nurses typically used tracking builds because it made Nurse really fun to play. And believe it or not, old school Nurses weren't completely miserable to face like many modern day Nurses.
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