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How does anyone play red rank killer, I'm so fed up with this (Vent/Rant)

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  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I don't think it can. Even if it can, which I highly doubt, I'm not smart enough to do it. Nothing was "off".

    I never tunnel. I hate people who do. You see, you shouldn't play to make the other side have fun. That's their job. However, being an ######### is wrong, and that's what tunneling is, since it isn't necessary to win.

    Rank doesn't mean anything. Every good player knows this. Even the devs have said that it doesn't correlate directly to skill, on Twitter I think. Anyways, if you think that rank means skill, the only thing I can tell you is: Get good.






    For proof that nothing is "off", I'm going to ask another veteran player to verify it for me. If you won't take my word for it, you should definitely take theirs.


    @MadLordJack

    Does this look like I'm hacking?

    https://youtu.be/bEjBP30yo1E

    I need another experienced player to verify this for me if you don't mind.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    You're probably good with Nurse ,but we want know who's better until we get a 2v8 mode ?

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    2v8 would kill this game. Imagine if the devs had to balance TWO modes. They barely do well enough as is 😂

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264
    edited May 2021

    Embrace the chaos, maybe not there's player's who don't crossplay at all and I guess there still getting matches.I know the que was long,but it could probably work,who knows.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    Queues are just one problem. They would also have to figure out how to keep things that, while ordinarily fine, would be drastically overpowered in 2v8. For example, imagine facing two nurses at my caliber or higher. That's just unbeatable. Or certain combinations, like Spirit and Hag. And what's preventing survivors from finishing 4 gens in 47 something seconds? It's just too much. Add that to the fact that they have to release new DLCs, and it's pretty much impossible.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Different cultures breed different playstyles. I'm not sure entirely how it works, but I do know that AU has a rather small playerbase comparitively, and a higher concentration of veteran survivors that are teaching newer survivors to absolutely slam gens by proxy (people take ques from those around them, after all).

    On EU I've been told that evenings actually chill the trials out quite a bit. It has the highest number of VPNers out of the servers I have experience with (NA/EU/AU and I actually think NA might be split into NA east and NA west, because I sometimes chill on LA servers but when I SWF with people from NA east it's a fair bit more intense and the killers do less hardcore camping and tunnelling and more actually trying to win. I've heard NA players talking about the difference as well).

    None of this is actually reflective of player skill, though - I'd argue that AU has the worst collection of loopers out of all of them, it's just that people down here are really, really sweaty.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I see. This does make a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up:)



    Also, it is split up. You were right about that.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    I haven't watched the whole thing, but from what I saw you simply have good fundementals. Well done.

    Although I would say that rank matters, not in terms of actual skill, but sweatiness. Rank 1 is a cesspit of people doing everything they can to win, not that that makes them very good or even very effective.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    Thank you.


    Yes, red ranks tend to be more sweaty, but it isn't something that's very noticable, because players in the lower ranks sweat to get to red ranks. This is my experience, of course, so take it with a grain of salt.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    Ok take this for example Pub G has a mode where you can play 1 man solo squad's by the end game it's you covering behind a rock or maybe in a building with a hundred feet in frontof of you, you're obviously out matched ,but with the right amount of effort you can persevere.Its really unbalanced but it works. It's probably going to take some trail and error but it could work even if it's unbalanced.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264
    edited May 2021

    We accept this game for what it is already ,that wouldn't be any different but 8 comms ouch

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    Sometimes this can happen, but I've also heard that Pub G is balanced better, though I've never played it. Effort isn't always going to win you games. Some things are just unbeatable, especially when the devs full focus isn't on it.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Also, that sounded like I was being incredibly patronising but I'm not kidding. You're game sense is better than mine.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    Wait really? That actually means a lot coming from you. Thank you so much:)

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    Whatever man ,now I can see you're just here to disagree with me ,you haven't even provided a good explanation why,it wouldn't work only "that the dev's wouldn't balance it right"I,really don't care how you feel about it ,I wish I had someone to back me up when ever I'm in trouble and need help to get my opinion's across actually, I don't 😝

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I'm not actually. I really don't have an issue with you. However, I think that you're underestimating how incompetent the devs are. They wouldn't balance it right, and it would suck for both sides. Each side would be simultaneously too strong and too weak.

    I get wanting someone to back you up, but it's also a good thing to have someone to give their opinion and help you come up with better ideas than mindlessly agreeing with you.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    That's not what you summoned him for isn't it ?,it was to approve of you're gameplay and to say if you we're hacking, I didn't ask you to agree with me but I doubt will come to a mutual agreement

    Incompetent enough to create one of the greatest asymmetric multiplayer to date, despite having some flaws which the only one that's truly discerning is the gen speeds

    And,I believe the term is called circle jerking

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I asked him to use his own mind to agree with me or not. I wasn't expecting him to agree like you are rn.


    Anyways, let's be honest. Dbd is the greatest only because there's no other game like it. The second another one shows up, it'll most likely surpass dbd.


    And balancing dbd is one thing. Another game mode would force them to balance it twice, which is a whole other thing.


    We can 100% come to a mutual agreement. We just have to be willing to admit where we're wrong.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    Hive mind mentality is quite a dangerous slope, like I said circle jerking

    The thing is there has been other's like it ,but do you want to play them?

    There's literally a game with Jason being the horror fanboy dream and a game with Predator who is my favorite movie monster of all time but do,I want to play it? you can literally make you're own Predator so when ever this other dream game comes along let me know

    You don't think ,I get that it would be hard like, I said trial and error how all things are created if it happens it happens but you're just denying the fact that it could never happen which tells me you're just being close minded to my idea's ,to my gameplay, and to me in general.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I haven't heard of the predator one, but Friday is a really bad imitation of dbd. I honestly think that it died when it started to try to be more like this game. It just didn't do it well, and it made the game worse than it originally was.

    Trial and error is a thing, but the devs don't do it right. They don't listen to us enough, and they aren't original enough to come up with food things to try in the first place.

    I just can't see it working.

  • Sluzzy
    Sluzzy Member Posts: 3,130

    Killers have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. It's impossible to play solo or even a 2 or 3 man SWF. Killers are way too OP and survivors are way too weak.

    The only thing left will be 4 man genrush teams. It's the only way to have a chance to win.

  • Slickstyles
    Slickstyles Member Posts: 446

    Your game sense is better than mine as well. Great nurse gameplay overall. I agree with most of your points. I have a multitude of friends who are all red rank killers. However, there is still a large skill gap between us and it shows in KYF.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

    DBD has been trial and error, all the changes to get it where it is today

    The Predator game is made by the same company, who made Fr13th the game ,they we're fun at the moment what mainly killed fr13th was the lawsuit, but with all of the bs that game it self had also killed it,mainly it was the racism for me mostly on xbox though ,I literally didn't run into racism on PS4 ,but all the same the game just became stagnant, plus you didn't have any second chances you think tunneling is bad here ,try getting tunneled for 25 minutes straight while everybody does objective and escape while you run desperately from Jason f that game and I won't miss it .

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    As a PS4 player, you will pretty much never run into racism or the like. They will literally ban you for sweating, not even necessarily at someone. It's ridiculous.


    I wouldn't know exactly what killed Friday. I started playing after it was dead. But I was told that it was bc it tried to be more like dbd. I don't really like it either tbh. I just feel underpowered in every role.

    I can't judge the predator game, having never played it myself, so I won't talk about it if you don't mind.

    Dbd was trial and error, yes, but now the devs believe that they don't have to use it anymore since they think they are good enough to make changes by themselves. They never talk to us anymore. And when we talk to them, they never listen. This is why gen speeds are still an issue.

  • CoalTower
    CoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    Thank you as well:)

    Red rank killers do tend to be better than red rank survivors because it's much easier to rank up as survivor. This is because of the way the emblem system works.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243

    Okay, realistically you'll run into a tryhard SWF [Sweat With Friends] only 0.01% of the time. Otherwise, you'll probably get a regular SWF [Survive With Friends] that doesn't care about wining and just want to spend time with their friends.

    Against a Sweat With Friends group, there's not much you can do unless you're Nurse or Spirit with the perfect load out and have precise gameplay. However, you're not going to be perfect and nor will the Sweat With Friends, so ultimately it'll come down to who will makes the most mistakes in a Sweat With Friends match up against the perfect killer with the perfect loadout and experience / accuracy.

    At that point, as the killer, I wouldn't worry about those games unless you're a tournament E-Sports player. Therefore, just do your best and have fun, ignore the 0.01% of games where you're destined to lose and just go for bloodpoints. Don't let these games get to you and if they do, just take a break afterwards... Maybe play a different game until your mind cools off. 😁

  • A_Skinny_Legend
    A_Skinny_Legend Member Posts: 919

    That's just how red ranks are, unfortunately.

    But if you want to get some kills then tunnel and camp as much as you want, they clearly don't care about the game ending in 4 minutes so go at it.

  • Gaffy
    Gaffy Member Posts: 222

    Think I was just in a bad mood last night, thanks for the tips everyone. Have cleared my head and will think less of my games and take more of my mistakes to heart and correct them for the future. And seeing as how I was playing wraith/bubba and other killers of that level I don't really know what I was expecting. I shouldn't NEED to "win" every one of my games (3 or more kills), should just focus on being better for the future.