Im scared that BBQ will get nerfed since there are so many people complaining
some people are complaining about this perk for no reason
this perk prevents camping and helps you through the grind
why are people complaining about it?
this perk wouldn't have been run as much if the grind wasn't so terrible
plz stop complaining about this perk its nowhere near OP
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Bhvr probably :we heard your complaints so we removed the bp bonus. Bhvr secretly:thatll show them to ask for a nerf to bbq. Lol
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i hope
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The BP bonus hurts perk diversity in the game because the reward for using the perk is massive. It makes it so much easier to get the survivor pudding as well, so the BP bonus is more than 2 times regular. And I do feel that getting that much BP does hurt the overall balance of the game because it means killers can bring in pink and purple add-ins every game. Imagine if survivors were all running 4 BNPs every game, why is it fair for killer but that same scenerio is obviously broken for survivor.
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Because BNPs are better than most iri add-ons.
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And yet the grind is massive even with bbq.
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BBQ is like the one perk that will probably never be touched
It's a perk to help with the grind, there's no way in hell they'll change it. It sells DLCS, people legit buy Bubba purely for it
They also had an oppertunity to change it when they changed Cannibal's perks and they didn't, so I wouldn't worry about it
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I just want 3 more perks that give a ######### effect but give you double bloodpoints at the end of the match :D
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BBQ does not prevent camping. Not at all.
As long as the Killer can camp and still get 4 BBQ-Stacks, BBQ does not prevent anything.
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it more makes camping less likely since the killer can see the other surv
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I bought laurie merely for her decisive strike and they nerfed it, having this as dlc is no guaranteed protection from being nerfed.
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BBQ should not be nerfed, it's actually very balanced and promotes good gameplay as you've mentioned. There are some other perks I do believe should be nerfed but don't listen to anyone that says BBQ is too OP.
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i don't listen to them but I'm afraid the devs will
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Nah, the Devs aren't that stupid. Nerfing BBQ will bring a storm of rage and tears unlike anything before it, and not just killer tears. Queue times for survivors will quadruple with the great exodus of what little killer mains remain.
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I honestly think the aura reading after each hook could be a perk in itself. Very powerful
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BBQ is by far the most healthy perk in the game. It's a perk that rewards the killer for playing like a good boi. If it gets nerfed then I also fear the outcome.
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If that's how it worked there would be plenty of things ahead of BBQ in the "nerf queue". How often do you see stuff like NOED, spirit, camping, tunneling, keys, several maps, several perks, SWF and more complained about? Compared to many of those BBQ is practically universally adored if we just look at the frequency of complaints.
So I doubt you have anything to worry about there.
And I'm not saying anything about the validity of complaints about anything I mentioned, I'm simply saying those things are far more "controversial" than BBQ.
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Again, the Killer can also be a complete scumbag and still get a huge amount of BPs due to BBQ.
But if BBQ would actually only reward the "good boi"-Killers, would that be a Nerf?
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Would be really difficult to play like a scumbag while getting all 4 stacks at the same time.
The only time a camper could get the other 3 stacks with BBQ is if the survivors play like morons.
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The last thing the game needs is more artificial extended grinding. The BP bonus of BBQ and chili should stay and for that matter "We're Gonna Live Forever" should be given a buff to make it easier to gain stacks, a safe hook rescue should grant two stacks. That's the only change that needs to be done in this scenario if WGOLF has issues compared to BBQ it needs to be buffed to BBQ's caliber
Nothing more, nothing less
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You're saying this as if it's not the majority of the cases, considering the greatest part of survivors doesn't play in full 4mans and there's always a random
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Noone is complaining about BBQ. It hasn't been nerfed since the point in which there was zero counter to it, years ago. It's not getting nerfed ever.
Only issue is the discrepancy of stack gains, which isn't a call to make it harder to get BBQ stacks, but for easier WGLF stacks. Healing other survivors should count and even then it'll still be easier to get all stacks as killer because it's natural progression. Perhaps x amount of chase would also count toward stacks, idk.
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if bbq gets nerfed they should make it 100/200/300% bp increase and remove the token limitation for tiers.
boom
epic grind counter and its somewhat a decent nerf? ehh?
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If the Killer got 4 BBQ stacks off of camping, the Survivors either rushed the hook instead of doing gens, or he wasn't actually camping.
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It needs a nerf. The ability to see survivors who do their objective is too powerful and needs to be adjusted
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The devs changing something purely because of complaints? Ah, my friend, if only our voice was that powerful...
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I mean, I disagree, but pretty sure you've already seen my argument for that :P
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Halloween Chapter has more content to it, two characters and six perks.
Leatherface was a paragraph
Also the thing about DS, it was a highly problematic perk that was abused by a lot of survivors for a very long time. The only problematic thing about BBQ is how necessary it is if you want to speed up the already ludicrious grind
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I don't think the Devs are that genuinely stupid as to believe that a perk as mediocre in effect as BBQ is being ran because it's OP, especially since it some of the few perks that actually gives killers a reason to hook people.
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BBQ has been the most picked perk in the game since it came out and they know why and they must know its not because its OP as its only received minor, pretty fair, nerfs since its release and they haven't touched in a very long time nor have they even mentioned it as being something they are looking into so I highly doubt it will get a nerf anytime soon.
If it does get nerfed though I will legit uninstall and I'm 100% serious on that. Unless the "nerf" is just them taking away its blood point factor and making it base kit, which it should be, then I don't care what they do with the perk since as a tracking perk its not my favorite any anybody but high mobility killers.
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Me and my 650 alchemists rings have no idea what you are talking about
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Hide in a locker?? Sorry if that sounded condescending, but... just hide in a locker. That's all you really need to counter it. It's free and right there.
I run BBQ all the time and when I don't see an aura anywhere, I think someone is by the hook and/or me. Which allows people to do gens. This is just me though.
But, seriously. Hide in a locker, it hides all auras and your own. When you get into a locker, count to 4, then get out. Or run distortion
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They should introduce a BBQ free month. That way, all it's critics would see how the game would play out without it.
I predict longer survivor queues and more camping.
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There is literally no issue with bbq
Its a non issue.
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Not going to lie, unless its the killer mains complaining, I highly doubt it will be changed. It seems that most change comes from killer mains complaining about something - not so much survivor mains.
I don't think BBQ needs changed - it's in a good state, with a counter being lockers and Distortion.
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Pssst - You do know survivors have We're Gonna Live Forever right?? WGLF is the exact same as BBQ in regards to increased bloodpoints - except (in my opinion) it is easier to get 4 stacks of WGLF than BBQ. You also know that survivors have more available bloodpoint offerings than killers... right???
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This would only be true if survivor players never played killer, and vice versa.
Most players get bloodpoints from both sides and spend it on both sides. Do survivors need better bloodpoint options, yes, does killer earn more bloodpoints on average, yes, is BBQ somehow imbalancing the game in favor of killers, no.
I'd also like to note that killers, regardless of how their bloodpoints are sourced, can only get addons from the bloodweb. Survivors can find items in any game, can keep them for as many matches as they escape with, and can bring a perk that also lets them find and keep addons they escape with (or brought into the match.) That doesn't make survivors inherently imbalanced with superior addon gaining potential.
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SWF is too strong on survivors side too, but thats not going away
Killers need advantages too
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I agree that SWF can be too strong and something has to be done so it's fairer for solo survivors. But in most games it does not have that great of an impact.
As for killers, I don't think BBQ should be nerfed, it's in a good state - works well enough and can be countered. Although, to be fair, if it was nerfed killers would still have plenty advantages.
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If someone says BBQ is op then ignore them, they're obviously horrendously bad.
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Prevent camping? In wich universe?
More seriously, you just need to hide in a locker when you play survivor. And so many of them play with locker anytime and anywhere except when necessary.
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it shows you the farthest survivors
so you won't stick near the the hook
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In no way does BBQ prevent proxying a hook or hard camping.
Some players will even use BBQ as an excuse to stay near the hook when no auras are shown.
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When a survivor is hooked, the killer knows where at least one survivor is and can assume that more survivors will be coming over shortly. The alternative to staying near the hook is patrolling gens, but there are multiple gens and the killer doesn't know which one(s) survivors are at. If the killer walks away from the hook, there's no guarantee they'll find someone on a gen, and the hooked survivor could then be saved and now the killer has nothing.
BBQ shows auras of far-away survivors so that now the killer knows where someone besides the hooked survivor is. It lets them feel more confident leaving the hook.
If BBQ doesn't show anyone, then it's not a surprise that the killer doesn't leave the hook, which would be the same result if the killer wasn't running BBQ at all. BBQ can give the killer a reason to leave the hook, but that reason requires auras to be shown, and no perk can force the killer to leave the hook because the killer is a person, not a bot.
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you are aware that Survivors too have Perks that can increase the amount of BP earned, right?
also, no one says that BP earned as a Killer have to be spend on Killer - you can also just farm BP as Killer and put them into a Survivor if you so choose.
and while i do (at least partially) agree on the perk diversity argument, isnt it also beneficial for Survivors to basically be able to immediately call a fourth of a Killers Perks immediately?
in addition to that, anything that reduces the insane grind of this game is never unwelcome.
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Thats a good point, when they changed both Billy and Bubba they changed both's perks that no one ran, they changed 4/6 perks and the other 2 are really good and one is BBQ. I agree they would have changed it when they buffed Bubba and changed his other perks.
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People are complaining for valid reasons. It's basically a wallhack every time the killer performs the simple objective, and it's too oppressive and overpowered on all killers especially Blight, Billy, Spirit, Oni, Freddy,....
It puts the game too much in favor of the killer. With Ruin, it's really too strong.
I love how DS was nerfed because killers couldnt play around it, yet survivors have to sit in a locker half of the match and watch generators regress.
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I think the aura reading on hooked and dying survivors have been in the game since it was introduced. BBQ didn't come until Leatherface.
Despite all the survivor nerfs and killer buffs, BBQ has remained the same. It's not fair.
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1 chrctr 2 shrt
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Because survivors want to genrush without lose 10 seconds hidding inside a locker
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Ive never seen anyone complain about BBQ i dont think its an issue
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