Why is survivor toxicity so funny to this community, but.....
Why do people think it’s funny for survivors to be toxic, but it killers? Why do people watch survivors acting toxic, or even act toxic themselves, and think it’s the funniest #########? But as soon as a killer starts being toxic, everyone gets all butthurt and hurls insults at them telling them how much of a toxic piece of ######### they are? Why is it funny one way, and not the other?
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Because people love to have double standards in this game. "Killer is bad, survivor is good"
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Just ignore it. It isn't worth the time of day to worry about. Just show them the same courtesy they do you.
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Group mentality(4v1) and the majority of players are Survivor mains. They like to dish it out, but whine when they're on the receiving end.
Having said that, not everyone is like this, but for those who are, the above applies.
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Survivors being toxic isn’t game breaking where as with killer, they can take an entire game hostage if they’re in a bad mood. Survivors play to have fun. Killers play to get a 4K. It will never be fully balanced as the grind is so much different between killer and survivor. It’s refreshing to see a good survivor or survivor team.
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But killers cant take the game hostage, anything they do to you will have you out of the game after a certain amount of time. But survivors can hide because they dont feel like trying anymore for 30+ mins and the killer can do nothing about it.
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Survivors can also take the game hostage, a few months ago I had a 42 minute match against survivors who refused to do gens and only hid, I had to dc because they never did anything besides hiding.
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Honestly, what a ######### troll.
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Why do a lot of killer mains on here love victimizing themselves
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Oh hey I remember you from a while back here on the forums, didn't you also victimize yourself after I called you out?
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Yet survivors always claim their experience is ruined because they get caught by the killer first.
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Survivors are the only side that can take the game hostage. If Killer just downs, Survivors eventually bleed out. If Killer doesn't do anything, Survivors just do Gens. If Survivors dont do Gens and just hide, the Killer can't do anything, but hope to find them eventually.
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A killer can barely take the game hostage, only way they can is if the survivor somehow gets themselves stuck in a corner so the killer can bodyblock them, while this is despicable if the killer does it and never moves. They can never do it without the survivor screwing up.
While survivors can just CHOOSE to hide all game, just doing enough to not get crows, never progressing and forcing the killer to stay in an extremely boring game. No screw ups required by the killer, just the survivors wanting to do it.
Also, don't give me the "players in professional games/sports all do it to get in the opponents head". Compared to professional games/sports there is no money on the line, nothing is on the line except whatever amount of pride you have determined by yourself to bet on it, you play for fun, I hope. So while survivor toxicity might not be "game breaking" it is ruining other peoples enjoyment of the game.
And before you go all whiny about tunnel and camp, the killers objective is to kill you, while yours is to evade the killer and repair the generators to ultimately be able to escape through the exit gates or hatch, if it comes down to it. Try to think how your or your teammates actions might have contributed, not always but sometimes, to the tunneling/camping. Wait a few seconds before unhooking, don't be seen going for the unhook and much more.
Not that I am expecting a reasonable response from you with actual logic.
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So toxic behavior is acceptable, as long as it's being done by "your side". And all survivors are only out to "have fun" and anyone playing killer couldn't possibly be trying to do the same, correct?
From someone who plays both elements of the game about equally (probably a little more survivor at this point), the bias and the hypocrisy of that type of viewpoint is sad. Here's hoping that new players who might be coming over from Resident Evit to try out DBD aren't contaminated by this type of mindset.
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This isn't a double standard that exists in dbd.
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Who are you
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You can see my name, or are you going to victimize yourself again?
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I literally don’t recognize you, sorry man
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I think there's a double standard by how nobody disagreed with you and said how no playstyle could ever be toxic but you go to any "toxic killer" thread and there will be like 10 replies about his killers and their playstyles can't be toxic.
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You don't need to recognize me or anything but I do remember you starting an argument against me then when you weren't able to back things up you instantly started victimizing yourself.
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Why do people think it's a good time to leave 4 survivors bleeding out for no reason?
Why do people think it's hilarious to locker swap in a corner for 20 minutes?
Why do people think there's nothing wrong with bodyblocking a survivor in a corner and AFKing 'till they DC?
Why are people toxic to begin with?
Here's an answer that probably isn't the one you want to hear but is ineffably true: because they're asses, people who justify it are equally trashy, their preferred role is in contention for the least important thing to go rabid over, ignore them all the same.
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Show me, I’d love to elaborate on this! I genuinely don’t remember
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Just ignore and have fun, I know sometimes its easier said than done but just take a break for a bit, grab a Beveridge, come back and remember its just a Video Game. You play to escape the conformity's of life just because a few rotten apples ruin it for some people it doesn't mean you have to resort yourself to that level. Take care be kind to one another and see you in the fog :)
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Eh because survivor "toxicity" doesn't actually do anything, t-bagging? 0 impact on game, flashlight flicking? 0 impact on game.
Killer "toxicity" bleeding out survivors at the end of the match for 4 minutes wastes everyones time, constantly slugging and never hooking forcing everyone to bleed out etc again wastes everyones time.
But toxicity is used far too liberally in the dbd community.
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No0b3 got a whole series being toxic as both sides and I find them equally entertaining. I think it's just easier to be toxic and still do well as survivor
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I believe it was about 6 months ago, I only remember a heated argument with you or well your name here in the forums, I think it was about bbq and why is healthy or something like that, just checked my notifications and doesn't seem to go that far into the past.
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What do you mean by toxic?
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I'm not a killer main and yet I experience far more toxicity as killer than as survivor, and as a survivor I even get toxicity from teammates so in theory the amount of complete dickheads should be much higher. But, no, something about this game really does make people okay with going out of their way to antagonise killers.
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I said it before and ill say it again. Its because survivors literally feels safe. 3 chances to not die. 2 health states. If you have basic loop understanding then you can waste killer time. Not to mention the shift+w pradrop meta. Survs just feels too safe. And they control the pacing of the match. So they piss killers off cause they know it.
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Jokes on you,
I laugh at them both equally. Nobody gets special treatment, ESPECIALLY teammates who abuse friendly killers.
Example A:
(if anyone is wondering what is going on here, these twins were playing super friendly and cool. Victor was used the entire time, even rode my back for a little while just for fun until this toxic Elodie decided to crush him for no reason at all.)
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How did anybody know that she crushed him for no reason, as opposed to just trying to play the game as it's meant to be played? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy doing nice things as a killer and always show appreciation to other killers who do the same, but unless this Elodie player was acting in an obviously egregious way just to screw you guys out of farming (which isn't something that anyone is allowed to force on anyone else) I don't quite understand why she was targeted for elimination. The picture looks like some kind of disturbing cult sacrifice.
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BBQ is fine? I’ve never had anything bad to say about it especially back then so I don’t see myself getting into an argument against it. There are plenty of gf names on here so probably was not me
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She kicked the friendly Victor and got punished for it. Make excuses all you want, but the Killer made it clear they weren’t okay with it and we supported that.
Sue me.
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I hate topics like this. Maybe some people are biased and have a double standard, but the general consensus is that ALL toxicity is bad. Stop trying to demonize one side as worse than the other. Being toxic as either role should be shamed, and I 100% don't see anyone that thinks otherwise.
Know what I hear the most? "(Other side) did it to me, so why shouldn't I do it?" Which is a hilariously childish mindset.
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As far as I know most complained is survivor toxicity not killer one noobdy is writting nodding head on hook on this forum threads but tbag nobodi is talking about hook smacking here but flashlight clicking
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I'm pretty sure it was MrsGhostface but if it wasn't you I apologize, I do remember that it was that name but maybe there was another MrsGhostface probably with a dot or something.
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No need to get defensive, I simply asked how you knew she was playing in bad faith, and apparently the evidence of her "crime" was not participating in a farming session when she allegedly knew that the rest of you were okay with it. Make excuses? Someone needs to have an excuse to play the game the way it's meant to be played? You know that forcing players to farm is against the rules right? It doesn't matter if the killer or other survivors want to, no one else is obligated to follow suit.
From your answer it sounds as if you guys were actually the toxic ones, ganging up on and "punishing" someone for simply not wanting to play the way that you did.
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Nobody forced anybody to do anything. All 4 of us were on our last gen with Victor hanging around, she got up and kicked him (again, for no reason). She was completely cool with farming for the first 4 gens, just to randomly kick the Victor for nothing right before we pop the last gen.
Again, theres no real way to excuse behavior like this when you’re reaping the benefits of the Killer being friendly, just to take advantage of their kindness and go a bit too far. The Elodie got what they deserved.
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It's against the rules, dude. Go ask one of the mods. You admittedly punished someone because they did something that would otherwise be expected of them in any other normal game. And so what if they kicked Victor? That didn't prevent him from coming right back a few seconds later. Maybe she thought it would be funny?
You were the ones playing the game improperly, and you didn't like that someone did something that could interfere with that, so you "punished" them. That sounds pretty toxic to me.
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You are actively defending someone about “not wanting to farm” when all they did was farm happily. I was in the game with them, I witnessed everything. Don’t get what you don’t understand about that.
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I'm defending them because they did nothing that was against the rules, and you did.
No one is obligated to play how you want them to, which includes farming. It doesn't matter if they did and then, according to you, stopped doing so for reasons that you admit to not understanding.
I don't personally care that this happened, I'm just saying that given the rules of the game you guys were the guilty party, not her. Don't shoot the messenger, like I said feel free to ask a mod if what you did was okay.
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And as a member of the community, the Elodie has every right to report us if she felt we deserved so.
She still deserved what she got in my opinion and if that makes me toxic to you, thats fine. The Charlotte didn’t appreciate it, and so we stood by that. 🤷🏽♀️ Especially because she reaped the benefits of the Killers kindness with no objection.
Edit: typo
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Sure, she had the right to report you. Whether she did or not is up to her.
Why I think what you did is toxic should be pretty self-explanatory. You all decided somehow that you would play a certain way, and because you felt that her actions violated this right to dictate how everyone plays, which is a right that no player has, you punished her for it. To get right to it, you decided to farm and then punished the player who, in your eyes, disrupted your ability to continue farming. I'm not really sure why that's so difficult to understand.
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We’re looking at it from two different point of views. You’re approaching with legality and I’m approaching with morale.
You’re backing your argument up with whether or not its legal for someone to farm and I’m speaking on whether or not its right to kick a Victor who did nothing but play friendly the entire match.
I mean, if someone approached with a gift and you accepted, would you spit in their face after accepting? (Not to make this into a serious matter, just trying to explain the way I saw it in my eyes)
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I'm not arguing whether it's okay to farm (something I myself enjoy doing, I don't blame you for that). I'm simply telling you that the mods have specified that farming is a bit of a grey issue and that one must be careful about it because forcing someone to do it when they don't want to is against the rules. The game is meant to be survivor versus killer and farming goes against that gameplay. People like you and I might enjoy the occasional farm session but that doesn't mean that everyone does, so punishing someone who - for whatever reason - is perceived to be ruining the farming is, according to the rules of the game and the words of the mods, an offense.
Like I said, it's a "don't shoot the messenger" thing. I'm not trying to tell you to feel bad about yourself, only that one is not allowed to force others to play a certain way, especially if that way is against the organic design of the game. No, no one put a gun to Elodie's head and you say that she enjoyed farming, and I believe you. But apparently when she kicked Victor it was immediately assumed that she only did it to ruin everyone's good time messing around and she was then targeted for elimination from the match. That's where things become "wrong". I mean, again, I didn't write the rules, I'm just letting you know why what you did, as opposed to what Elodie did, would be considered the negative action.
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I understand. I guess because I enjoyed the Killer that match and saw that they did not like what was done to them, it triggered my brain to assume Elodie was wrong. She may have just been trying to farm points, but thats hard to believe since she didn’t attack the Victor until she knew for a fact we were getting ready to leave.
Knowing how this community can be and how Killers are usually treated, its easy to jump to conclusions when certain actions are taken against them. That with the reaction to Elodie doing what she did just solidified her actions being “toxic” in my mind.
But this was a great debate. Thank you.
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It's cool, I'm glad that we were able to conclude the discussion peacefully.
When I play as killer I get anxious. I don't like all the attention being on me, I don't regularly play multiplayer games and I don't like to stand out, especially when I'm inexperienced. I also prefer the role of survivor from a gameplay standpoint, so I don't play killer much which just continues the cycle. Thus, when I DO play killer, I generally go easy and just play to have fun. I've found that I enjoy farming as the killer and just goofing around, letting the survivors get points as they see that I'm not out to sweat them. Usually at least one of two survivors catch on and give me ways to soak up some points in return. I watch them escape with a nod, they ask me to swat them on the way out, everyone's made some points without having to stress. I like it. I completely understand where you're coming from on being respectful to a killer who, as you said, is willing to hand out a gift.
The trouble I saw was in assuming that kicking Victor was an attempt to sabotage the game, because it sounds as if she was just having fun (or maybe even earning some points for herself, I can't recall if kicking Victor awards any). More so though it was the idea of punishing her. It wasn't so much that she may not have been trying to screw you guys over, but moreso that, if the match were reported and reviewed, you guys would have been in violation of the rules, not her - because you were, by eliminating her, trying to force a farming session on her. She may very well have thought that she was continuing to play along before, in her eyes, YOU guys turned on her, you know?
Anyway just food for thought, be careful if you farm. I wouldn't be on it so much if I hadn't seen the mods specifically telling someone else not to force it.
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I try to be as peaceful as I can on here, even if I don’t agree with someone’s stance. There enough negativity flowing around & I’m a Unicorn. I’m supposed to be refreshing to be around and beautiful to look at xD
But all joke aside, I do see your point. I still think that she deserved it though. No kicking innocent & sweet Victor’s or I kick you.
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Well, i am part of the community, and i dont think any toxic behaviour is funny, its rude and disrespectful to your fellow gamers, no matter which side is toxic. So maybe the premise of your question is wrong?
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Maybe looking for a 4k is part of having fun?🤔
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LOL I like that you changed your avatar to Elodie after all that. Well, you did say that you wanted to be beautiful and refreshing. :)
I agree, there's too much negativity regarding this game. Way too much. Way too many heated arguments about so many things, many of them so incredibly petty. In a world where so much is wrong, it's a shame that more people can't just enjoy a game together.
Funnily enough, this reminds me of a match I played about 24 hours ago. It was only my 3rd or 4th 4K (again, I rarely play killers and when I do, I'm usually relatively peaceful). I've been learning the Doctor and becoming a little more comfortable with him, so I raised some of his levels and got some extra stuff to see how he'd be once he powered up a bit. It was a good close match, very back and forth, until before I realized it I'd managed to hook two people and down the third. It dawned on me that all of a sudden, just like that, the match could be close to over. There was one gen left. What do I do?
I don't like camping so I ran around a bit but the hooks were close so I didn't stray too far as I carried the third survivor to her hook. By this time the other two players died and I began looking for the fourth. Soon enough, the third survivor died. Was the fourth survivor hiding? Eventually I heard groans and found her on the ground. At some point I'd managed to slug her and didn't realize it. I remembered the last time I'd hit her and thought that she managed to jump through a window and run off. The poor girl had apparently been crawling around for at least a minute and I honestly didn't know. I felt bad.
I got her up and started walking to the nearest hook which, given the last deaths, was a bit distant. As I walked I thought "she's probably gonna wiggle free. What should I do if she does"? Normally I play for fun and goofing around when I'm the killer, but this time I was testing my actual skill with one and doing well. Before I could really come to an answer she got loose and started running. Instinctively I went after her. "This will be one of my only 4Ks, and I'm actually recording this one. I should take her out and have this match as a keepsake". I caught up quickly and downed her. I hooked her and felt even worse.
My point? I got a 4K and felt guilty. And to be honest, I still do!
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