If dbd is so survivor sided, why are most matches ….
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Because most killers are utterly egocentric, that's why they enjoy playing killer alone, they will complain even if killrate is gonna be 100%.
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There you go my friend: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/106566/ 70% killrate in red ranks. Enjoy.
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Fair enough- the game is balanced imo it's just easier for a team of red ranks to beat a red rank killer
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The problem with these stats is there isnt enough context. Who were those killers facing? What do the stats look like coming out of mmr? The fact that nurses kilk rates are so low shoukd tell you its noymt enough information.
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its survivor sided at a high level because high level survivors are good, its not survivor sided at lower levels which make up a larger cumulative portion of the stats which pushes the kill rate above what is considered average
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I played nemesis today and a survivor got downed two times by a zombie, he was not afk and not in a chase with me (rank 1 killer). The zombie ai is more intelligent than some survivors you face/or have in your team at rank1 games. That should tell you all you need to know.
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Same reason why all the highest tier killers barring Spirit are on the lower end of the killer spectrum. The killrates mean jack and #########. If anything, it highlights the mechanical skill requirement more than anything.
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Thank you. They always say my posts are bait but never provide good counter arguments. Im not baiting in posts, im asking questions nobody seems to want to discuss.
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Because most survivors are bad at the game. Easy as that.
Go queue up a game as survivor and see how many times your teammates just DC, Kill themselves, farm teammates off hook, not do gens at all whatsoever, etc.
All this at red ranks.
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I always giving hatch to last guy except 4K challange, adept or daily challange.
So i really do not care about 4K. But this game is survivorside. Most times i am escaping when i play survivor. Only we are dying if killer play better or my team rejects do gens.
So what is your point?
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Because most Survivors are boosted.
Also, the stats BHVR has released were debunked several times.
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Probably because hatch gave a survivor a free escape who clearly didn't deserve it.
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Because survivors in this game are experts at throwing matches. They see NOED go off, and instead of leaving the hooked guy and guaranteeing a 3-man escape, they try to be greedy and end up giving the killer a 3-4k.
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My point is that no one will listen to you if you are a survivor main on these forums.
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I'm a survivor main and I have the highest upvote count on the forum.
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The game is supposed to be balanced around 2 kills and 2 escapes, I don’t see a problem with hatch.
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The stats are flawed; It doesn’t take into account the various ways survivors can kill themselves or killers ending games prematurely.
Also, if you have 5 equally skilled players, the killer will have a more difficult time because his skill will be on par with the survivors, but since most people are casuals, the game doesn’t really show how one-sided it is until you take into account red rank survivors.
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That's not a balanced game, because the killer black pips if not depips.
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Woooow! that is very good, for you at least. Every time I say something remotely bad about killers people tell me that I’m baiting and such. I guess you are lucky
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Well I can’t really fix it for you
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If you have fair point, they will listen.
For example most of forum agree with that: Spirit needs nerf because she is unfair killer.
But if you come here and says, this game is killerside... Noone will agree with that because that is wrong. Most of maps are survivorside. If survivor does not know how to use maps, that is not killer's fault.
For example, if you buy 40 - 50 seconds for your team, that is mean 3 generators are nearly done. But most survivors downs in 5 - 10 seconds. And gives time to killer for defend generators. Most times i am losing for that when i play survivor. I do not know how can survivors downs so fast like that. There is so much windows, pallets. Just run around and use when killer came closer. Shift + W hurts so much killers and most survivors are bad with that.
Maybe MMR will fix this.
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True, mmr will fix a lot of stuff.
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Just today my last match.
We were againts really good Blight. And he had meta build (Ruin, Undying, Tinkerer, Thrill of the Hunt). I can loop Blight because he is my main and i know he moves well. Anyway we did run like min 2 minutes and only 2 gens finished. If i would played with my friends, that would min 3 gens and possibly half of fourth.
Anyway i down. I get saved without BT, i get farmed. And i died because mistakes of my teammates. After me they all down so fast. And game ended with 3 gens. See. Games are like this. That is reason i do not like solo-q. Check my old posts, you will see i have so much complainings about solo-q because solo survivors are terrible. That is reason kill rates. When i play with good survivors, i never remember we lost game.
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Fair point but let’s also remember you have 19,000 posts
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And all killers are good at the game?
That's because the morale is low. It's too easy for killer to do the objective and too hard for survivor to do the objective. Too much is expected from all 4. Ruin, POP, Tinkerer are all punishments and survivors have multiple objectives to do while killer has a very simple and easy objective.
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Honestly the forums are full of toxic players, Regardless of which side they play most.
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Failure to reach full potential as a Survivor squad does not negate it's existence. Anything short of that are personal mistakes holding you back.
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I see so many of these circular discussions so often. Each "side" spinning its wheels, occasionally some really good and reasonable posts interrupting the flow of biased judgmental negativity.
How about this: What do the stats have to reflect for each side to be happy? To think that the game isn't arbitrarily built for one side to have an advantage? A perfect 50/50 percentage rate? Because guess what: That ain't ever gonna happen.
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Killer bad survivor good thread #367
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Solo queue makes anything OP 😝
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No because 1 bad teammate can potentially ruin the game.
As a killer, you are alone and can rely on yourself. As survivor, especially solo, you have to count on the other 3 not being potatoes if you yourself are a competent survivor.
Since the game is flooded with players who are absolute ######### at the game, they completely distort the stats.
If the 4 survivors are good they beat the killers easy. Shame that 90% of the survivor players are ######### at the game and have never played Killer before so they have no idea what they're ######### up against even if they have thousands of hours in the game.
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Oh so survivor is hard while killer is face role easy mode. Gotcha. 😉
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What makes you think the game is not also flooded with bad killers? The fact it only takes one mistake from only one survivor and killers can make a lot of mistakes but crutch on perks to make it easier makes the game very killer sided.
It shouldn't take a coordinated genrush team to have a slight chance at winning. Something should be done about that.
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I'm not saying it isn't also flooded with bad killers. As a survivor though, if your team is actively [BAD WORD] up the match, there's really nothing you can do to recover. You don't need to be a coordinated genrush team to have a slight chance, you just gotta not be complete trash.
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Nope it's bad teammates. Personal experience they have no good DBD game sense. Like when to take hits for teammates or sit on the gen. I can usually give killers a good run. But for some reason teammates are too busy Self-Caring against Plague. (Actually happened made me cry also a Claudette. So no amount of nerfs to Ruin or PGTW or Tinkerer will fix teammates who also DC for no reason.
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That still means too much is expected from the 4. Way too much.
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Because most survivors aren’t as good at the game as they thing they are and many give up when the game isn’t going their way immediately or it’s a killer they don’t like.
If the survivors are good at the game and/or are in a swf it’s survivor sided.
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That isn't what I said.
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So what did you say then? 🤔
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I said that most survivors are bad, which makes killrates artificially high.
The REASON that they're bad is because survivor has so many advantages that they get carried to high ranks.
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The real question is, why are so many of your posts and comments survivor-biased baits when you constantly whine about this forum being completely killer biased? Shouldn't you be on a survivor main reddit or something?
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So you agree with my points? That killer's are only so strong because of Solo Q teammates. Not perks or maps. But, I do agree you aren't baiting there are instances where great points are made and this goes with many other forums members accused of being trolls.
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First you said survivors perform better at the high ranks. Now you are saying survivors perform better at the low ranks. You are contradicting yourself.
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You again with survivor sided threads? At least make them funny like Sluzzy.
"According to data" according to data Lithe was the most used exhaustion perk even when I never saw Lithe, according to data OoO users were the ones that escaped less often, don't look at variables right.
Killers after the ruin change had to learn how to play less casual and more ruthless so in other words they were forced to learn how to play better, survivors on the other hand only had to relearn how to play new tiles or changed tiles while not having to be decent at hitting skillchecks.
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You're putting words in my mouth again. I never said that.
Survivors in general, regardless of rank or skill, has a lot of overpowered things that carry them. Put these on a good survivor and the game becomes unwinnable unless you're Nurse/Spirit.
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The depip squad is not a valid argument. These guys are a competitive squad, they're playing whatever random person they come across online and rarely verse anyone near their skill.
If that's evidence suggesting that survivors are stronger than killer, than Otzdarva getting 50 game winstreak on nearly every killer is evidence that the game is actually killer sided.
So you see your argument is flawed, because both of these things can't be true, yet the evidence is the same is it not?
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Why are you all answering to a 1 year old thread?
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It is only survivor sided when survivors know what they're doing and are decently coordinated. This is the biggest problem.
Survivors at a higher level have too much control, and too many safeguards from mistakes. Also what they have to do is too simplistic. Gens are a pathetic objective.
Thing is, most survivors are not coordinated or good.
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The game is survivor sided at the highest skill levels I think, otherwise the other 99% of players are either playing a fair or killer sided game, not to say killer is op just the game has WAY too many problems to really clearly point out the main issue.
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Not only that. You have to factor in Tome Challenges. While killer challenges are basically just your usual objective anyways and you don't divert from playing your usual game at all - the survivor challenges are more often pretty weird and you need to go out of your way to complete them.
In casual play this makes survivors not play at their A-game and not efficient at tall, thus giving the killer way more time to 3/4k. A sweaty competitive team however would never do that. They play to win, not to complete their tome, while many casuals play to complete their tome and put that before actually winning.
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