The Spirit needs a serious visual design revision

Lyinginbedmon

@VolantConch1719 said:
Do we actually KNOW what Rin's job was? For all we know, she could have worked as a stripper (which COULD explain her lack of clothing.)

And about her clothing. It is a sarashi, which (this whole thing caused me to look it up) is a (as wikipedia puts it, I know not the best resource) "A sarashi is a long, thick cotton cloth that is tightly wrapped and worn under a kimono for the purpose of altering the figure of women to appear thinner."

Being torn up by glass, it makes sense that it would get loosened.

I covered both of these parts of her backstory actually.

We know she worked at a restaurant (this is stated explicitly in her backstory), though we don't know what her exact job title was or what the establishment was like. That doesn't rule out stripper but it is unlikely, and there is a possibility that her sarashi were part of a traditional-style uniform she wore at work.

I've mentioned elsewhere that sarashi fell out of popular usage around the 1920s so it's doubtful she'd have been wearing it in the late 90s but if indeed her work uniform was kimono style it'd be plausible. It also wasn't typically used for covering your pelvis but that's comparatively minor as problems go here.

It could indeed have been torn up by her crawling through shattered glass after falling a storey, but it's highly unlikely it would be the only thing left of her attire. Kimono are also quite big outfits, with lots of fabric to them, making it pretty unlikely she'd lose the whole thing in the span of her final moments.

VolantConch1719

@Lyinginbedmon said:

@VolantConch1719 said:
Do we actually KNOW what Rin's job was? For all we know, she could have worked as a stripper (which COULD explain her lack of clothing.)

And about her clothing. It is a sarashi, which (this whole thing caused me to look it up) is a (as wikipedia puts it, I know not the best resource) "A sarashi is a long, thick cotton cloth that is tightly wrapped and worn under a kimono for the purpose of altering the figure of women to appear thinner."

Being torn up by glass, it makes sense that it would get loosened.

I covered both of these parts of her backstory actually.

We know she worked at a restaurant (this is stated explicitly in her backstory), though we don't know what her exact job title was or what the establishment was like. That doesn't rule out stripper but it is unlikely, and there is a possibility that her sarashi were part of a traditional-style uniform she wore at work.

Of course. The ONE THING I gloss over while reading.

Now I feel stupid.

Tsulan

Where have you been when they released the bare chest skin for David?
Can´t remember any complaints.

Cetren

Tsulan said:

Where have you been when they released the bare chest skin for David?
Can´t remember any complaints.

Okay dude, I see what you're saying, and i have a lot of respect for you on the forums, but the OP has addressed that many, many times already. They've already admitted it's a mature game thats going to have mature elements, but that a skin as open as the spirits shouldn't be the base skin, where you have to pay to put some actual clothes on her.

TatsuiChiyo

Is this nonsense happening again? Who finds a dismembered corpse appealing? Seriously who? And why do Koreans care when Rin is Japanese?

Tsulan

@Cetren said:
Tsulan said:

Where have you been when they released the bare chest skin for David?

Can´t remember any complaints.

Okay dude, I see what you're saying, and i have a lot of respect for you on the forums, but the OP has addressed that many, many times already. They've already admitted it's a mature game thats going to have mature elements, but that a skin as open as the spirits shouldn't be the base skin, where you have to pay to put some actual clothes on her.

Her chest is covered. Unlike the Hags chest. No one complains about the hag. Might be because she looks like grandma tho...
Anyway, i suppose the devs could release a new skin for her. Where she wears a t-shirt or something. Free of charge, so everyone who feels offended can cover her. But everyone who wants to play with her standard skin, should be allowed to do this.

Btw, i don´t know where you people live, but here where i live, i see young women on the street which are equally revealing with their clothing choice.

azazer

@Lyinginbedmon
One of the biggest parts of her visual design is to show off the horrible cuts and dismembered limbs. It also mirrors the hack and slash Mori she has. 

It's supposed to be jarring to look at her. And if your own personal politics makes you even more uncomfortable I think it's for the better. 

But aside from the peace of mind it will give you and a tiny minority how will changing her make the game better? How will putting you at ease make the experience an improvement as a whole? Will covering up her cuts make her more in some way? What exactly are you proposing and explain how it inhances the concept of a murderous ghost driven by vengence?

SIX

From our little conversation, i don't think he/she minds her showing some skin, the problem is she's a Killer who doesen't look scary or intimidating the way she's designed.This is a Horror game, she's supposed to look scary not like some cheap stripper, again, from what i've understood

As a side note, from the way women dress these day, i hardly think someone would be offended by some pixels

Lyinginbedmon

@azazer said:
@Lyinginbedmon
But aside from the peace of mind it will give you and a tiny minority how will changing her make the game better? How will putting you at ease make the experience an improvement as a whole? Will covering up her cuts make her more in some way? What exactly are you proposing and explain how it inhances the concept of a murderous ghost driven by vengence?

@SIX said:
From our little conversation, i don't think he/she minds her showing some skin, the problem is she's a Killer who doesen't look scary or intimidating the way she's designed.This is a Horror game, she's supposed to look scary not like some cheap stripper, again, from what i've understood

I actually think she achieves her goal of looking scary, but I don't think it's aided by virtue of her being undressed. As mentioned, nudity isn't itself scary. The scary parts of her design are the hair, the eyes, the gashes and floating limbs, the shards of glass etc. not that she isn't wearing a shirt or somesuch. These are all aspects that tie into her backstory as well as the thematic elements she's inspired by, but her nudity isn't supported by either.

To clarify @azazer, I don't want to cover up her cuts. Even her expensive cosmetic doesn't do so, but actually accentuates them to a degree by showing them through the corresponding slashes in her outfit. She's just as intimidating there than she is in her current default skin.

I don't think her being nude or covered will enhance the game or detract from it's element of horror, but conversely I don't think it adds anything either to have her unclothed. We can accomplish the exact same goal without leaving her all but naked, and if her cosmetic is any indication, we already have.

The primary consequence of having a nude young woman in this horror game is that we have to see it all the time because it's her default appearance, it'll show up in marketing materials and it'll be the first thing we see in most matches with her. That just raises a whole ton of uncomfortable situations for a lot of people. Situations that aren't raised by Killers like the Huntress or the Nurse.

Cetren

Tsulan said:

@Cetren said:
Tsulan said:

Where have you been when they released the bare chest skin for David?

Can´t remember any complaints.

Okay dude, I see what you're saying, and i have a lot of respect for you on the forums, but the OP has addressed that many, many times already. They've already admitted it's a mature game thats going to have mature elements, but that a skin as open as the spirits shouldn't be the base skin, where you have to pay to put some actual clothes on her.

Her chest is covered. Unlike the Hags chest. No one complains about the hag. Might be because she looks like grandma tho...
Anyway, i suppose the devs could release a new skin for her. Where she wears a t-shirt or something. Free of charge, so everyone who feels offended can cover her. But everyone who wants to play with her standard skin, should be allowed to do this.

Btw, i don´t know where you people live, but here where i live, i see young women on the street which are equally revealing with their clothing choice.

The OP also addressed that as well, but I'm not going to restate all the arguments, you can read through the thread. In any case, I will allow myself the distinction that I'm not one of those offended by pixels, I just think that there's nothing wrong with wanting a costume with a different design than, well, a couple of pixel cloth threads. If they really are just pixels, it wouldn't be that hard to make it more like the wraith's pixel cloth trousers, a complete article of clothing.

azazer

Lyinginbedmon said:

@azazer said:
@Lyinginbedmon
But aside from the peace of mind it will give you and a tiny minority how will changing her make the game better? How will putting you at ease make the experience an improvement as a whole? Will covering up her cuts make her more in some way? What exactly are you proposing and explain how it inhances the concept of a murderous ghost driven by vengence?

@SIX said:
From our little conversation, i don't think he/she minds her showing some skin, the problem is she's a Killer who doesen't look scary or intimidating the way she's designed.This is a Horror game, she's supposed to look scary not like some cheap stripper, again, from what i've understood

I actually think she achieves her goal of looking scary, but I don't think it's aided by virtue of her being undressed. As mentioned, nudity isn't itself scary. The scary parts of her design are the hair, the eyes, the gashes and floating limbs, the shards of glass etc. not that she isn't wearing a shirt or somesuch. These are all aspects that tie into her backstory as well as the thematic elements she's inspired by, but her nudity isn't supported by either.

To clarify @azazer, I don't want to cover up her cuts. Even her expensive cosmetic doesn't do so, but actually accentuates them to a degree by showing them through the corresponding slashes in her outfit. She's just as intimidating there than she is in her current default skin.

I don't think her being nude or covered will enhance the game or detract from it's element of horror, but conversely I don't think it adds anything either to have her unclothed. We can accomplish the exact same goal without leaving her all but naked, and if her cosmetic is any indication, we already have.

The primary consequence of having a nude young woman in this horror game is that we have to see it all the time because it's her default appearance, it'll show up in marketing materials and it'll be the first thing we see in most matches with her. That just raises a whole ton of uncomfortable situations for a lot of people. Situations that aren't raised by Killers like the Huntress or the Nurse.

Then this brings me back to a portion you trimmed out. I think it's ok for it to make you uncomfortable. The fact that you on a personal level are deeply affected by her appearance is a good thing. 
Sex and horror are intertwined since forever. From the phallic symbolism in the alien franchise, Dracula biting necks, to the old old tales of faeries luring young lads and ladies, succubi, and other cautionary stories. 
You said her being nude doesn't bring more to the table, but I'll argue your reaction is the extra element it brings. To a portion of the population she evokes more reaction with less on. And as you admitted covering her won't add anything

TheWorldconsumer

Long story short from what I gathered in here: OP is a feminist who want all chars in games, especially females of course, to wear burkas- althogh stating gamewise it does not bother her, as it wont change a thing.

So this took 3 pages already and all is in circles, when all the OP would have to do is NOT look at the char when it upsets her so much or even buy it at all. Feel sad all you want but do not change our game for something you alone are uncomfortabel with.
And if you ask why I am not really making an argument here: It.Is.A.Game. I just want to do you a favour: bring you off this idiotic horse and back to REAL life problems you might consider more important then the looks of fictional game chars, hm?
Or would you rather like the devs to put her into a tight leather outfit, her head inside a rotting pig head? Or why not directly pull a suffocating pillow mask over her head, hm? See where this is going?

Wahara

@azazer said:
Wahara said:

@Lyinginbedmon

I wish you luck with this conversation, I really do. Gamers aren't exactly known for their awareness or sensitivities in relation to social issues. I attempted to have a productive discussion about the inclusion of LGBTQ characters in the lore section just to be branded as a social justice warrior with an agenda.

I hope you're prepared for 99% of the posts in your topic attempting to discredit you as a feminazi.

I think coming from the position that your alphabet soup aligned character 'should' be included is the issue. I don't recall anyone's sexuality survivor or killer being mentioned save for the very recent wraith/nurse thing. It's not essential. Mentioning a character's sexuality is you sexualizing the character for no other reason than your own self interest and the same with the spirit body shaming. You're projecting your internal politics on a game where it's not needed. Leave the spirit alone and go write a fan fic or something

The breadth of your misplaced arrogance in which you speak refreshes me. A lot of these points you raise are mentioned in the topic already and have been discussed there at great length. I would be happy to have you there. Watch your step, though.

And, as I predicted, there are already three separate posts in this topic which attempt to discredit the OP's concerns based on the fact that he or she may or may not be a feminist.

Wahara

"Also stating sexual assault statics muddies your argument, since the statistics are different everywhere, and your 1 in 5 to 1 in 3 is actually exaggerated and misleading. It depends on the country and who is recording the stats."

Actually, no, it isn't. The most conservative estimates that you will find are 1 in 7, so whether it's 1 in 3 or 1 in 7 is splitting hairs. It's a lot, and it is a distinctly more (not exclusive) female problem than a male one.

The point that is trying to be made isn't that Rin's outfit is intentionally sexualized. The point is that given the unfortunate statistics of our world, it would be in good taste to DBD's female player base to give Rin a cosmetic where she isn't bloody and near naked.

Orion

@Wahara said:
The point that is trying to be made isn't that Rin's outfit is intentionally sexualized. The point is that given the unfortunate statistics of our world, it would be in good taste to DBD's female player base to give Rin a cosmetic where she isn't bloody and near naked.

Counterpoint: a game is not a political statement.

Wahara

Bioshock disagrees with you, but that's neither here nor there.

This isn't about making a political statement. It's just simple consideration: kindness. Since when did a little bit of compassion become so damn political to people?

Wolf74

Lets censor more please.

Orion

@Wahara said:
Bioshock disagree with you, but that's neither here nor there.

This isn't about making a political statement. It's just simple consideration: kindness. Since when did a little bit of compassion become so damn political to people?

Fine, this game is not a political statement.

This game is literally about feeding humans to a godlike Entity. It's a horror game. It's rated 18+. You're going to see unpleasant ######### because that's what the game is like.

Malakir

Orion said:

@Wahara said:
Bioshock disagree with you, but that's neither here nor there.

This isn't about making a political statement. It's just simple consideration: kindness. Since when did a little bit of compassion become so damn political to people?

Fine, this game is not a political statement.

This game is literally about feeding humans to a godlike Entity. It's a horror game. It's rated 18+. You're going to see unpleasant ######### because that's what the game is like.

As sad before, stop making tracer's arguments (the Overwatch scandal and we know how it ended) especially for a dead girl now in spirit form in an horror game, as said, 18+.

Its not like there is some fan service even for the other side, which are actually alive.. Right David King?

Nobody complain, actually I saw theaters where they want to get rid of his pants and was hilarious. Its 18+ and if I was in the design team I would give it just for fun.

She's fine, actually you should be proud to have such scary and great character adding more strong females like her (even if in spirit form)

Isn't like they did it just for fan service, a bit for sure, but fits in the culture she lives in, she's my favorite killer more for her life and her scary look than her snagged tbh. Same thing why I love feng or hundreds.

So please stop doing tracers threads we know where it leads already, already experienced that and even more sad in a 18+ GAME

Wahara

@Orion

So, the only part of the post you're going to engage with is the part I already admitted was "neither here nor there." Okay. We're getting a little predictable, but okay.

But if we're going to by that logic, we should just be able to sodomize survivors until they bleed out. Maybe we would add extra points for any survivor within that vicinity that saw? Simply because this qualifies as a horror game doesn't mean that we don't still have to be prudent about the specific manner in which the players are being made to feel uncomfortable.

Ideally, a horror game makes it's players uncomfortable because they're scared, not because they're potentially reminded of a traumatic experience.

Malakir

This is gwynevere
She is from dark souls, she's pretty sexualized right? Even the author, Miyazaki thought so but then why he kept her?
The artist was so proud of his creation he couldn't say to redo it, didn't had the heart to do so.

Now by your logic they should rework her titties cuz you feel uncomfortable? Ignoring everything?

Instead of saying extreme bs with sado and stuff try to don't be the most closed minded pseudo feminist and sexist person I saw in this forum. Thank you

powerbats

_Prurient _interest is the only problem here and bringing up 3 posters who use feminist in their counter arguments is a Straw Man to the extreme.

I do also find it interesting that the account is new and says the exact same things as other posters when when was revealed and then launched. The arguments are the exact same as the threads that got debated before.

The posters arguments were debunked repeatedly and then a new poster would come and post the exact same thing and arguments. They didn't get the responses they wanted so they waited and then came back with new accounts apparently.

Wahara

You see right through me, Malakir. The truth is...I am actually an angry lesbian with lots of tattoos. I like pina coladas and long walks on the beach. When I am not busy diversifying my collection of gender studies textbooks, you can usually find me wiring car bombs for Antifa or teaching children how to make Molotov cocktails.

Malakir

Wahara said:

You see right through me, Malakir. The truth is...I am actually an angry lesbian with lots of tattoos. I like pina coladas and long walks on the beach. When I am not busy diversifying my collection of gender studies textbooks, you can usually find me wiring car bombs for Antifa or teaching children how to make Molotov cocktails.

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day
for the wrong reasons

Lyinginbedmon

If multiple people independently bring up the same grievances with the same aspects, does that not suggest there might be something to at least look into there?

Fibijean

@TheWorldconsumer For starters, I believe OP is a dude (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, @Lyinginbedmon ). Don't assume that just because someone is standing up against something they see as potentially harmful to the female player base, that means they're a part of the group they're defending. Secondly, you say you read the whole thread, but I think you missed the point. Try laying your political prejudices aside and rereading OP's arguments (and by the way, if you're going to tell them they're wrong, maybe listen to their arguments first - watch the video they posted. I know you didn't because if you had, you would have known that they weren't female in the first place). You don't need to agree with someone, and I understand the sentiment of encouraging people to spend their time on things that "matter", but you're not going to change their mind without actually disputing the points they're making.

And all of that can be done without mocking them and putting words in their mouth. If we're going to talk about stuff in this thread that's unnecessary, let's start with that.

Malakir

Lyinginbedmon said:

If multiple people independently bring up the same grievances with the same aspects, does that not suggest there might be something to at least look into there?

Yes and as I bring up for a design exist different reasons plus if you get offended for that when you actively play an horror game then..

You won't watch porn, be bothered by twilight for the abusive relationship, be bothered by any movie like that ex fifty shades of Grey etc every profume spot, every ad that have a woman semi dressed for just selling cars

The list its infinite but with the context of a game, an horror game.. Talking about a dead woman in spirit form and uncomfortable how she dresses.. Its like he bothered because in a porn the actress is still wearing her high heels.
I brought 2 examples, totally ignored because doesn't fit you guys narrative. Okay but nothing will change as proved in those 2 out of hundred of examples you can find

Jack11803

Her paid outfit is what she WAS wearing. Her father cut her to bits, leaving only the bonding sashes of her clothes behind.

Lyinginbedmon

@Malakir said:
The list its infinite but with the context of a game, an horror game.. Talking about a dead woman in spirit form and uncomfortable how she dresses.. Its like he bothered because in a porn the actress is still wearing her high heels.
I brought 2 examples, totally ignored because doesn't fit you guys narrative. Okay but nothing will change as proved in those 2 out of hundred of examples you can find

I'm afraid I can't find your second example presently but with regards to Gwynevere, she's literally the goddess of fertility.

Jack11803

Also, the devs did their job well. Hag is even more exposed. Neither are sexualuzdd. While Myers, huntress, and trapper ARE. It’s not really a problem. Itd just cause controversy for changing a paid for product.

Wahara

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day
for the wrong reasons> @Malakir said:

Wahara said:

You see right through me, Malakir. The truth is...I am actually an angry lesbian with lots of tattoos. I like pina coladas and long walks on the beach. When I am not busy diversifying my collection of gender studies textbooks, you can usually find me wiring car bombs for Antifa or teaching children how to make Molotov cocktails.

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day
for the wrong reasons

I'm mocking you pretty heavily on the basis that you attempted to use the label of "pseudo feminist" in order to make me look less credible.

I have never played dark souls (I would like to) but I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with your example. It ignores the fact that the point of whether Rin is sexualized or not (It has been conceded that she is not, by myself and the OP) isn't the crux of the issue.

It also assumed that I am necessarily against characters being sexualized to begin with. I am okay with characters that have sex appeal as long as it's done with proper consideration in mind. For example: a game in which only the women are sexualized is not okay, but a game in which both men and women are sexualized is fine. A game is which a character's sex appeal is only a part of their character is fine, but a game in which a character's sex appeal is all of their character is not fine.

@powerbat

It's not really a strawman, considering my "99%" bit earlier was obvious and intentional hyperbole. We're at four now, though! :chuffed:

Wolf74

I want cheerleader outfits for all survivor.

Lyinginbedmon

@Wahara You're misrepresenting me slightly, I didn't say that Rin isn't sexualised, I said that her outfit isn't actively sexualising her. In particular, I noted that it doesn't accentuate or draw attention to any portion of her figure, such as might a push-up bra or frilly underwear. It's not sexualising her any more than plain cotton panties and a sports bra, but is sexualising her by sheer virtue of covering hardly any of her.

Fibijean

@Malakir For clarity's sake, which examples are you referring to? OP already addressed the argument you made about David (he's still half-covered and it's not a default skin anyway), and the one about it fitting with the killer's backstory (it doesn't). If you mean the point about Tracer... I guess it wasn't addressed because it's not that relevant. Yes, another game had a similar issue, and in that case no one really cared and nothing changed. OP is still allowed to state his opinion in the (however small) hope that it might get recognised.

Lyinginbedmon

@Fibijean said:
@Malakir For clarity's sake, which examples are you referring to? OP already addressed the argument you made about David (he's still half-covered and it's not a default skin anyway), and the one about it fitting with the killer's backstory (it doesn't). If you mean the point about Tracer... I guess it wasn't addressed because it's not that relevant. Yes, another game had a similar issue, and in that case no one really cared and nothing changed. OP is still allowed to state his opinion in the (however small) hope that it might get recognised.

Point of order: Tracer was changed, after the issue was brought to the attention of the developers and they reviewed it and agreed it didn't mesh with the character.

Which naturally was received negatively by a significant and certain portion of the playerbase for regrettably obvious reasons.

Wahara

My sincere apologies, I'll try to be more careful. I'm not sure I agree, but I'll allow you to expound further with others before I decide whether it's wise to take you up on that point yet.

Lyinginbedmon

@Wahara said:
My sincere apologies, I'll try to be more careful. I'm not sure I agree, but I'll allow you to expound further with others.

Suffice it to say that whilst her outfit could certainly be worse, I don't think it's good either.

Wolf74

How about swimsuits for a summerevent?

Malakir

Lyinginbedmon said:

If multiple people independently bring up the same grievances with the same aspects, does that not suggest there might be something to at least look into there?

Yes and as I bring up for a design exist different reasons plus if you get offended for that when you actively play an horror game then..

You won't watch porn, be bothered by twilight for the abusive relationship, be bothered by any movie like that ex fifty shades of Grey etc every profume spot, every ad that have a woman semi dressed for just selling cars

The list its infinite but with the context of a game, an horror game.. Talking about a dead woman in spirit form and uncomfortable how she dresses.. Its like he bothered because in a porn the actress is still wearing her high heels.

I brought 2 examples, totally ignored because doesn't fit you guys narrative. Okay but nothing will change as proved in those 2 out of hundred of examples you can find

AdánAR

@Lyinginbedmon said:
The Spirit's visual design has, since her inception, severely irked me for what I feel should be obvious reasons. She's virtually nude, still very much recognisable as a young woman, her nudity is not appropriate to her lore, and the only available means of making her more clothed is to buy her most expensive cosmetic.

For greater clarity on my concerns, see this video.

I feel she needs a rework, as to expect everyone to play her with her current default appearance or shell out money to use her cosmetic is rather unacceptable. I enjoy playing Dead by Daylight and I want it to be as accessible to as many people as possible, but as she currently stands I can't in all seriousness say that how the Spirit looks is okay.

Malakir

Wahara said:

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day
for the wrong reasons> @Malakir said:

Wahara said:

You see right through me, Malakir. The truth is...I am actually an angry lesbian with lots of tattoos. I like pina coladas and long walks on the beach. When I am not busy diversifying my collection of gender studies textbooks, you can usually find me wiring car bombs for Antifa or teaching children how to make Molotov cocktails.

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day
for the wrong reasons

I'm mocking you pretty heavily on the basis that you attempted to use the label of "pseudo feminist" in order to make me look less credible.

I have never played dark souls (I would like to) but I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with your example. It ignores the fact that the point of whether Rin is sexualized or not (It has been conceded that she is not, by myself and the OP) isn't the crux of the issue.

It also assumed that I am necessarily against characters being sexualized to begin with. I am okay with characters that have sex appeal as long as it's done with proper consideration in mind. For example: a game in which only the women are sexualized is not okay, but a game in which both men and women are sexualized is fine. A game is which a character's sex appeal is only a part of their character is fine, but a game in which a character's sex appeal is all of their character is not fine.

@powerbat

It's not really a strawman, considering my "99%" bit earlier was obvious and intentional hyperbole. We're at four now, though! :chuffed:

Not less credible but these arguments are pretty brought by them. about mocking, no ######### sherlock!

Isn't the only part, she's not all sex appeal unless you are into dead people pretty heavily.

She has a back story that makes you sure with her motives, makes you feel strong with a woman who uses a katana to kill her victims probably taught by her father, which makes the patos skyrocket. They are using classic clothes like @Jack11803 pointed out correctly. If you just see that you have to dig some more since just by her looks I can see at least 3 movies inspirations.

About op, yeah she is the goddess of fertility so? I bring up that example but I can do the same even in the same franchise about other charges or as sad overwatch just for a pose and this is exactly that all over again. Its like saying I'm uncomfortable because David have his torso naked or because the trapper looks too manly. About the video.. Omg I hope you wasn't the guy who made it. Just the example of Freddy being a ######### made me cringe for the remake flashbacks plus put it the clown in the mix implying they abuses the spirit in the entire world is just dumb

Malakir

Wolf74 said:

I want cheerleader outfits for all survivor.

Me too, everyone regardless

Malakir

Lyinginbedmon said:

@Fibijean said:
@Malakir For clarity's sake, which examples are you referring to? OP already addressed the argument you made about David (he's still half-covered and it's not a default skin anyway), and the one about it fitting with the killer's backstory (it doesn't). If you mean the point about Tracer... I guess it wasn't addressed because it's not that relevant. Yes, another game had a similar issue, and in that case no one really cared and nothing changed. OP is still allowed to state his opinion in the (however small) hope that it might get recognised.

Point of order: Tracer was changed, after the issue was brought to the attention of the developers and they reviewed it and agreed it didn't mesh with the character.

Which naturally was received negatively by a significant and certain portion of the playerbase for regrettably obvious reasons.

Yes making a more sexualized pose

Jack11803

PLOT TWIST! : The original poster is some teen who keeps getting distracted and losing matches, so they need spirits outfit removed.

Wolf74

The political correctness is really annoying atm.

Take a look at the original cinematic trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MREFlB5weo8

The sporty girl was black, the nerdy girl was white.
And the redneck white guy was the original … Jake?

And now we talk about female killer that are not dressed properly.

Malakir

BTW we are talking of a dead body, a cutted dead body in a horror game

The next step, make blood blue and swap the killer weapons with sticks.. No too violent, with candies!

Yes I lost any passion to argue with closed minded ppl

Lyinginbedmon

@Malakir said:
Isn't the only part, she's not all sex appeal unless you are into dead people pretty heavily.

She has a back story that makes you sure with her motives, makes you feel strong with a woman who uses a katana to kill her victims probably taught by her father, which makes the patos skyrocket. They are using classic clothes like @Jack11803 pointed out correctly. If you just see that you have to dig some more since just by her looks I can see at least 3 movies inspirations.

About op, yeah she is the goddess of fertility so? I bring up that example but I can do the same even in the same franchise about other charges or as sad overwatch just for a pose and this is exactly that all over again. Its like saying I'm uncomfortable because David have his torso naked or because the trapper looks too manly. About the video.. Omg I hope you wasn't the guy who made it. Just the example of Freddy being a ######### made me cringe for the remake flashbacks plus put it the clown in the mix implying they abuses the spirit in the entire world is just dumb

As I've noted, the sarashi are traditional clothing but they would have been out of fashion for at least 80 years by Rin's time. One might as well expect the Nurse to be wearing a petticoat.

The likelihood that she was trained in katana usage by her father are extremely remote. In addition to her father being overworked for 20 years in his company, we know what era Rin is from. She most likely died in the late 90s, early 2000s at most, which puts her over a century into modern Japan and a good 2-3 generations into post-war Japan. Even in historical Japan, she'd more likely have learned kyudo (Japanese archery) and even then most probably only if she was actually a temple miko.

With regards to her inspirations, every single one of them involves a fully-clothed woman, right down to the Onryo who were always depicted in full burial kimonos. There's no influence for her that includes her extent of exposure.

Freddy has been a child molester since his inception, it just got more and more overt as the series progressed.

I never said that Freddy and the Clown abuse the Spirit, I simply noted the poor decision of putting a naked young woman in the same game, the same side even, as two adult male sexual predators.

Wahara

@Malakir said:
Wahara said:

I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day

for the wrong reasons> @Malakir said:

Wahara said:

You see right through me, Malakir. The truth is...I am actually an angry lesbian with lots of tattoos. I like pina coladas and long walks on the beach. When I am not busy diversifying my collection of gender studies textbooks, you can usually find me wiring car bombs for Antifa or teaching children how to make Molotov cocktails.



I don't know anymore if you are trolling or not. People always surprise me, in the wrong way. Still, you made my day

for the wrong reasons

I'm mocking you pretty heavily on the basis that you attempted to use the label of "pseudo feminist" in order to make me look less credible.

I have never played dark souls (I would like to) but I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with your example. It ignores the fact that the point of whether Rin is sexualized or not (It has been conceded that she is not, by myself and the OP) isn't the crux of the issue.

It also assumed that I am necessarily against characters being sexualized to begin with. I am okay with characters that have sex appeal as long as it's done with proper consideration in mind. For example: a game in which only the women are sexualized is not okay, but a game in which both men and women are sexualized is fine. A game is which a character's sex appeal is only a part of their character is fine, but a game in which a character's sex appeal is all of their character is not fine.

@powerbat

It's not really a strawman, considering my "99%" bit earlier was obvious and intentional hyperbole. We're at four now, though! :chuffed:

Not less credible but these arguments are pretty brought by them. about mocking, no ######### sherlock!

Isn't the only part, she's not all sex appeal unless you are into dead people pretty heavily.

She has a back story that makes you sure with her motives, makes you feel strong with a woman who uses a katana to kill her victims probably taught by her father, which makes the patos skyrocket. They are using classic clothes like @Jack11803 pointed out correctly. If you just see that you have to dig some more since just by her looks I can see at least 3 movies inspirations.

About op, yeah she is the goddess of fertility so? I bring up that example but I can do the same even in the same franchise about other charges or as sad overwatch just for a pose and this is exactly that all over again. Its like saying I'm uncomfortable because David have his torso naked or because the trapper looks too manly. About the video.. Omg I hope you wasn't the guy who made it. Just the example of Freddy being a ######### made me cringe for the remake flashbacks plus put it the clown in the mix implying they abuses the spirit in the entire world is just dumb

So, forgive me, I may just be slow. But is there anything in your post that is actually contradicting what I believe and have stated is the problem? I can see that you've tried to characterize me as a pseudo feminist, and a sexist, and to presume my views on sexualizing characters. I cannot see a rebuttal, though.

Malakir

@Wahara don't worry you don't see a lot of things buddy. I stated that 3 times, re read and get less offended for silly reasons especially in this context

Wahara

Okay, there's bigger fish to fry in this topic than you. I'll wait for someone else.