High Rank Isn't Fun.
Buckle up kiddies, its Ol', Uncle Stabby's first rant since returning.
I've been a long time player forever now. Usually I float around in purple, but about two months ago, Legion carried me into the not-so-wonderful world of red rank play. Not so long ago, I returned to Pig, and have been metronoming between ranks five and four consistently.
Man, you red rank survivors are sweaty.
Killer has always been the more stressful role, no matter what anyone says, this is what I've found. And its not salt talking here either. I can get consistent 4ks on my good days. But something has to be done for the overall health of this game.
If you win as Killer, you had a hard time doing it. If you won as survivor, you and your team masterfully took advantage of your four-to-one odds and got out. Either way, the Killer was probably pulling their hair out.
We NEED a casual mode. Something less rewarding, sure, but thats a good trade off to avoid getting teabagged and taunted by toxic players who only got out because they actually brought TWO KEYS- not found, BROUGHT- true story.
A lot of people say "Oh, well then the sweaty ones would just abuse it to win" to which I say for what? They wouldn't get decent bloodpoints or xp, and their ranks would suffer without the upkeep.
All I'm saying is let's all try it, because it comes down to this: Some of us are horror fans that just want to have fun, and the rest of you are ruining the game for us.
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I'm not going to lie, I wish I could stay in Green or Purple ranks.
At least there I can chill and meme around as Killer, since the Survivors are good but not obsessively good.
But just by the virtue of winning, you will be pushed into the abyss that is Red Ranks.
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Yep. Being in red ranks sucks when I want to play killers like Pig. I used to main her but getting ######### on far too often in high ranks made me learn Nurse and Blight. I would love to be able to have fun and actually not get stomped on with killers like her, Clown, Legion, etc. but unfortunately gen speeds in high ranks do not allow that.
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There's a reason the Killers I play on rotation are: Wraith, Huntress, Deathslinger, Trickster, Blight, Demogorgon, Oni, Bubba.
Wraith & Bubba if I want to do more chill games.
Trickster & Demo if I want to meme a bit.
Huntress & Blight if I want to win.
And Deathslinger and Oni if I want to just be a nuisance to the Survivors for my own satisfaction.
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Been stuck in red ranks for about 3 years now. I wish I could go back. I like being able to chill in matches.
Instead red rank survivors seen intent on making the game as fast and unfun as humanly possible for killers.
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I wish there was a way to depip without actively throwing matches or leaving the game for an entire year.
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Yup being high rank killer/red rank killer is sweaty and it's not fun. Since a lot of the time it's a real sweaty squads. But yet somehow I always end up unintentionally in red ranks 😑
Even being a red rank survivor is not that fun. Since we get placed vs real sweaty killers, or survivors who do gens quickly and sometimes I don't even see the killer.
We need casual mode... I don't want to play sweaty all the time. Most of the time I wanna play a nice relaxing match. And no I don't need to have 4 sacrifice's to have fun. Or I don't need to escape to have fun. It's the just the sweaty playstyles that is unfun.
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There is.
It's called farming.
You're technically not throwing matches, but as long as you don't get hooks, you'll get points and a depip.
But to me that is so boring to do everyday that I'd rather just play normally and risk the sweaty crowd.
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Yeah, but that doesnt work for someone who just wants to have fun.
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Exactly.
I can't believe depipping is a ######### chore.
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It really isn’t. Everyone seems to take everything too seriously and trolls A LOT because they’re good enough to get away with it most times. It also sucks because I’m not a higher rank from being really good. I’m higher rank just from playing a lot and now I keep getting matches with all these crazy tryhards.
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The problem is that i feel that it's much easier to pip as killer than survivor just by having chases even if you have a 4 man escape many times you get brutal in red even in red ranks. I remember getting to red ranks my second week of the game as bubba without having gen defense or knowing that if i press RMB again with the chainsaw i can extend it. The pip system should have another rank above red because there are people with 50 hours and people with 5000 sharing lobby.
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We need a casual mode. So all the sweats, and tryhard's can stay in the ranked mode. Let the sweaty killers and survivors face each other.
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Exactly, i also would love to stay in the purple... But for me, the problem is that the average survivor is so weak compared to their rank that even if i play with a meme build and going for 12 hooks, i will still naturaly 3/4k, pip and reach red rank to encounter the sweaty game.
And while i know that i don't have the level to go against the sweaty red rank player, the abnormally wide level distribution will move you up because let's be honest, a corner blendette should never reach purple since we should only encounter "effiicient" player from there.
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That's why most killers derank so they can still enjoy the game.
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Always has been.
Once you reach the Red Hell, the fun is over.
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You'd think they'd do something about it.
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Not sure if they can. Player's mentality is not something that changes easily.
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I've only been red rank killer once and I immediately got out of it because black pipping was impossible for me
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red ranks have the best games, purple and green are awful
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I don't know man. Some of us would like to use the other perks in our builds and not be forced to run the same generic perks to stand a chance at having any decent fun.
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Yes, as a solo survivor, I have to be "sweaty".
I'm at red ranks, more often than not, I have bad teamates, even worse if theyre in a swf.
If you consistently get 4k, what is the issue with "sweaty" survivors?
At red ranks, if you don't play "sweaty", you're just going to lose, and losing as survivor means less at least 5k points, which as a survivor, is quite a lot.
Killer is stressful yes, but so is solo q. A lot of killers like to make it out like solo q isnt real, and all they go against is 4men swf, but reality isnt like that.
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If you can't stop the ultra sweaty gamers from hopping into casual to ruin the experience, it's a no-go.
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If you are in Red Ranks and want to be in purple or green Ranks, you just want easy games.
I prefer Red Ranks, the most boring games I had was when Rank Reset happened twice (which happened quite recently), so I was Rank 9 on both sides and playing Killer was so boring. At least I got some Adepts done.
I cannot really understand why people want to go against opponents which are not close to their own Skill Level.
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Because people don't want to sweat and just the fact you are winning forces you to go into Red Ranks? Even if you're playing with the most chill builds imaginable?
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If you don’t learn to play without them then yeah
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Are we even playing the same game?
I'm playing in the SEA Region, and I get a lot of sweatlords. The kinds that will absolutely steamroll you if you do not bring the absolute best in return. You think I haven't tried meme builds? You think I haven't tried to play with other perks?
No one likes to play and feel like they're given no chance whatsoever. Just face it, no one wants to face against people who has an unfair advantage over them. This applies to both Killer and Survivor.
So if you want to get a chance, and because you won't know what your opponents will bring into the match. You're more likely to bring the perks that are proven to be good and have seen consistent value.
But please, please tell me how I could use a meme build that can be used without not having any chance to use it whatsoever?
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This is precisely why I avoid playing killer when my rank gets higher. I play this game for entertainment purposes only, not to sweat my ass off. There was supposed to be an offline bot mode with the mid chapter update, but it never surfaced, and none of the devs or the mods will say why. Personally I would have preferred to play that mode because not only would it give me a great chance to practice with Killers I don't normally play with, but what better way to detox from a toxic sweaty match then abusing some poor bots? LOL
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I’m a solo queue player who uses deception and performs well so I don’t know what else to tell you
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The game is fundamentally broken at high ranks. They continue to balance around the assumption that at the start of the game you have 2 survivors doing dull totems, 1 rummaging in a chest, and 1 on a gen. 4 good survivors will 100% pop 3 gens before the first hook is done. It's just a meme game after that point.
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It’s so easy to pip that you’ll make it to reds by simply winning. I actually took a break during the event because the sweatiness was just insane. I don’t want to sweat my ass off but I also don’t want 5 minute 4Ks. This current season has actually been pretty good when it comes to that. I went from rank 5 to 1 with mostly Survivors that I couldn’t steamroll but weren’t drowning in sweat either.
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Wraith afk in the basement and watch YouTube or a movie.
They don't want to make a casual mode depip until you get one.
They force you to higher ranks because they need more killers for survivors...it is how they make their money.
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- I'm mainly talking about the Killer side of things. I can play meme perks as Survivor because I am not under constant pressure to do something in the game. I can go AFK for a while and let my teammates do the gens and still escape from the hatch if I found it.
- Even then, a lot of meme perks are A LOT MORE versatile when playing Survivor than when playing Killer. The outright bad perks are just not "fun" enough to actually be worth running. But just think for a second the amount of perks you would realistically use in a match of DBD if you want to have fun, without actively shooting yourself in the foot by bringing things like Furtive Chase.
- Reminder that this is a 1v4 game, so you're pitting your four perks as killer against 16 perks as survivor. You can bring meme builds as a Survivor and still contribute to the game. A Killer bringing BK Myers into Red Ranks is going to be basically playing on Hard Mode because it's a meme build.
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If your goal for winning is 4k at red ranks, then expect it to be hard, especially without a good killer and addons. If you shoot for the 2k, then the pressure is relieved by a lot. Maybe play with that mindset. You can still make good BP and even rank up if that's your thing.
If you think it sucks now, wait until MMR comes back. Theoretically, all matches will be "challenging".
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Playing killer is almost never satisfying. You get new or not good survivors and the game is easy and they may dc. If not you get the good survivors that make playing killer even more not fun to play. Even if you win it's stressful and not very if at all fun. I've gotten multiple games today and last night where they ######### on me the whole game until the last one or two gens I'll get 3 of them and maybe find the fourth one but if not they get hatch. Its not really to say I should be guaranteed that 4k either, but winning doesn't always make the game fun. Way too much effort and thinking goes into playing killer than it does with survivor.
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The issue isn't victory, its how the mindset of all players involved sucks all the fun out of it.
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This post kinda highlights the reason why I don't want mmr in the game AT THE MOMENT. The same perks, killers, etc will be at these high ranks. I've been wanting two different game modes for a year now (one casual, and one ranked) because I don't have fun when playing with mmr.
Side note: This game isn't even esports ready, so I don't understand why mmr is being added in
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Been rank 1 since the beta in 2016, I will never ever be as stressed as I was back then, the game is so much more balanced now. Always played mostly killer. Game is pretty easy nowadays, mostly never lose only just get angry at bugs really that are annoying. Like when someone hops into a locker and I grab them instantly causing the game to bug and freezing me for the entire match with someone In my shoulders I can't hook.
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The problem is that ranking up is far too easy. If it was harder, all the truly good players would be at red ranks and everyone else would be at their appropriate ranks. Red ranks is currently mixed skill levels. The only requirement is to play enough. Sadly, the current game balance 100% relies on this and I don't see anything changing. Could you image if only good survivors were at red ranks? Every killer would pretty much be forced to sweat way harder, and play less of the killer pool and so on. That sounds extremely boring, draining and just not fun. At the moment there is some sweat in red ranks, but it is nothing compared to how it would be if only truly good players were at red ranks.
I really don't see much changing and we almost certainly won't be getting a casual mode anytime soon, if at all.
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Deception is not even a bad perk, what kind of logic is that? Survivors also have the luxury of bringing whatever meme build they want because there are 4 of them. It doesn't matter what perks they bring. One is in chase, the other 3 are pumping gens. You don't need a meta build for that. Killers in red ranks on the other hand are required to bring gen slowdown perks to even stand a chance.
If you don't have any killer perspective about this issue, you should stay out of it. This isn't a discussion for survivor mains.
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This game is really only fun for green and purple rank casual players. Experienced high rank players and new low rank players get the worst deal by far.
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I just accept that the game is built for survivors to lose because they have already won when the match starts.
If it is a sweaty 4 man with Haddonfield offerings and the like, i will just catch one and stand at the hook for some easy points, or they will rush the gens and bt out the gate. either way i win with points or a fast game.
Otherwise i just aimlessly walk around with the complete intent of depipping with zero gen slowdowns but devour hope and NOED to be annoying :)
Sadly i am still stuck at r2 or 1 depending on how crap the survivor are.
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While I appreciate the empathy, I ultimately have to disagree. This discussion is after input from both sides, though this particular person seems to have a narrow perspective.
Going into every game, the Killer knows its 4 on 1, and therefore at a disadvantage, but the balance should have been found in the difference of power and control.
However, many killers (like Pig, poor, poor Pig) have powers with NO control, based entirely on RNG. Killers should have a wide range of powers between them, yes, but those powers should each be strong enough to warrent using them over the others. This is not the case. The meta is, was, and always will be loop countering at high rank, narrowing the list of Killers you can actually play to even feel remotely relaxed.
Got kind of off track, but yeah. Killer has much more stress, but survivor input is important.
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I’m literally an ex killer main who still plays killer, but nice job being another person on this forum making baseless assumptions! I wonder why you’re even on here if you don’t want a discussion
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I said IF you don't, this post is clearly about the killer experience and you chimed in with a weird thing about how you use off-meta perks as survivor. We KNOW survivors can use ######### perks because survivors have all the power and control in this game. So maybe you should say something from your killer perspective since that is very obviously what everyone is talking about.
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Again, this is not a Killer's viewpoint only discussion, survivors are welcome to chip in their two cents.
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