Why DC Penalty for killers?
I get it for survivors but not killer. Like idk if you're being relentlessly bullied and punished for bringing a fun build or trying a new killer you should be allowed to leave and go to the next game.
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DCing is DCing. Don't do it.
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No you shouldn’t. Survivor que times are already atrocious and killers DCing would end the game for survivors and have to spend another 15 decades in que to find hopefully a real game.
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Any one player DCing ruins the trial for everyone else. It's not about killers or survivors, it's about players.
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Because if killers could just d/c whenever they wanted, survivors wouldn't have a game to play either.
A gen gets finished before the killer downs a survivor, d/c.
Map is not favorable to the killer, d/c.
or you get killers who franklin hit your item from your hand and d/c
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Because it will be abused.
Oh I don't like this map so I'll dc.
The gens go to fast so I'll dc.
The survivors are better than i thought so I'll dc.
And there are multiple options as how it can be abused.
If a survivor dc they ruin the game for 4 people.
If a killer dc they also ruin the game for 4 people.
You can't just put a dc on one side and not on the other, just because some games don't go the way you want or hoped for.
Just play out the match and move on and forget about that one if it wasn't that fun.
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All these excuses for DC crack me up... and then make me sad. How are there this many self centered people? Who are raising y'all???
DC = ruin game for 4 other people. Full stop. No excuses.
When you hit ready up you are saying your are ready to play no matter what. Not every game is going to go your way, not every game is going to be fun for you (no matter your side), and not every game will have players you agree with. That is the nature of multi-player games.
If you can't take that then go play a single player game.
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Thats the problem is with match making the way it is you can't just 'move on and forget about it' you're kinda forced to play with high rank survivors even if you're just barely learning a killer. This is why survivor queue times are so high is because no one can just practice a killer or have fun because in higher ranks you're FORCED into a competitive sweaty environment.
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Wait for MMR, then. That's what I'm doing.
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Its not about being self centered its about actually wanting to play the game instead of being stuck with 1 or 2 killers that I can actually viably play in this environment. Survivors get a win if killers DC so whats the problem lol.
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I have but hasn't it been like over a year? And everytime the tests are run everyone hates it or wants it gone? Last time I did MMR I played a meme build on Hag, got a 4 man bully squad which I didn't mind I lost too since I was just doing a meme end game build. But then I got matched with literal new players directly after.
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The point is to play the game, win or lose, not to just 'win'. I'd be pissed if I bought a game and 'won' because I never got to play a match due to self-centered people.
That's the problem 'lol'.
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Bullied as in geniune toxicity when you see a killer is new to playing a certain killer. last minute flashlight and key switching just to spam clicky clicky while I play someone like Huntress who I'm not a pro at. (admittedly this hasn't happened to me as huntress but has happened to me as other killers and a lot of other people even in my own games I'll see people doing it)
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DCing is wrong. Just go stand at the exit gate or in a corner or something. DCing gives them a free escape while cutting down on their work. If the killer stays in the game, the survivors have to do all the work to end the match just so the killer can collect their Bloodpoints. While they're working on gens, you sit back and relax watching YouTube or go get a snack or something.
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By that logic, if a survivor is being facecamped they should be able to dc without penalty. Being stuck on hook while the killer looks that you isnt playing the game.
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Taking your examples of reasons to disconnect and not be penalised as a killer, it's simple to reverse the role and see a survivor who's trying a unique or experimental build, or new to the game, and brutally picked on by a more experienced killer, so to have one side exempt of penalties feels very imbalanced.
I've been on both ends, as well as witnessed it, and it's not fun, no matter what side it's on. However, I have far more respect for a plucky brown rank survivor hanging on until they're sacrificed or finally relieved of the 4 survivors who have bullied them, than a purple/red rank player who throws a hissy fit and disconnects because of this.
Disconnect penalties are required for both sides to ensure a fairer game for all concerned. If someone is having a bad game, treat it as practice to improve for future games.
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you still have a chance to make a come back and you're still buying time for your team on the hook. As killer no ones reliant on you but as survivor 3 other people are reliant on you.
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You choose to play a multiplayer game by yourself don't you?
Than you know the risk that comes with it.
You play a new killer?
Than you can expect to lose some games before you get the hang of them.
It doesn't give you the right to ruin the game for 4 people just because it doesn't go your way.
Do you think i sometimes enjoy the games when i play a new killer?
No, but i use those games a practice.
The survivors don't care about that?
Fine by me, it still doesn't stop me from trying.
I've had games as a killer who i play a lot that were really really difficult and only got 1k out of it.
Did i dc?
Nope i just tried whatever i could to turn it around.
Some games it goes your way sometimes they don't, that's the risk of multiplayer games, just suck it up and deal with it.
If you can't than sorry but then multiplayer games aren't your cup of tea 🤷🏼♂️
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MMR is coming, no matter how loudly that minority complains. But yes, it takes a while to get right.
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Idc about losing its about the constant bullying people do the second they realize you're not the best at said killer or barely getting the hang of things. Also it doesn't ruin the game as survivor they still get a win and I've never actually heard of a survivor complaining a killer DC'd most of the time they just take it as a pride or ego boost and move on.
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Not everything is about wins, and DCing is about as self absorbed as you can get. Its the same as playing a board game with your friends and flipping the board because you are done playing for whatever reason. With that attitude no one will want to play with you. That is why we need dc penalties. I don't want to play with lil brats throwing a tantrum.
Killer or survivor it doesn't matter. You hit ready, you picked your set up, and then you need to see the game through. If its not going your way you just do your best and then move on to the next match.
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I've said this several times its not about wins. This isn't about losing or winning this is about toxicity and the fact you aren't allowed to practice a killer in an actually fair environment.
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Like i said before multiplayer games might not ve your cup of tea.
If you let bullying get to you than you might want to stick to single player games tbh.
I have many games where I'm getting t bagged, flashlight clicking, etc.
But that doesn't get to me because i will get them eventually, if not than I'm fine with that too.
It depends on what you call a win.
As a survivor I don't care about escaping.
If i could help my team and die and still pip, than that is a win for me.
This games doesn't have a clear win/lose mechanic.
Everyone makes up their own win or lose.
Beside if you dc because they try to bully you then you give them a double win because they got what they wanted.
If those in-game mechanics (t bagging, flashlight clicking, etc) are getting to you than try something else for a time.
Try again after a week or a bit longer and maybe you will look differently towards it.
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Find it funny how this is just one of those topics that basically the whole community can agree upon. Usually the community gets split on a whole "killer vs survivor" mindset, but in this case... Most ppl hate DCers, no matter which side does it. Ruins the match for the other 4 players.
The key to being a good killer is...
DCing gets you nowhere
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I don't get why DC penalties in a casual game. DbD isn't Competitive, there is no Competitive scene, it's all Player Made with external rulling. There's no Competitive DbD because the game isn't made to be competitive, it's a party game, at most BHVR will endorse some Tournaments as Marketing decisions and that's it, just like the Amateur Console only Japan Tournament, and even this was made with outside rulling because there's no competitive Balance or Rulling in DbD and never will be. The moment DbD becomes Competitive Half of the population won't like the game cause at least half of the population is the Casual players that BHVR wants.
If that's the case then why the DC penalties? DC penalties only make Queues worse, you're banning people from playing so what do you think happens next? More Wait time, less Players in Matchmaking, More Rank variety and Unfair matches because Matchmaking has to lower Queue times for those eligible for Queue.
Results of this? highly unfair matches, longer Queue times and guess what? MORE DC's because of this. Until DC penalties became a thing i had no problems with Queues unless i was playing at times where it would be expected to have low population. And before Cross play i could actually find Console Lobbies, now it's a goddamn MIRAGE to find a full console Lobby, it will take ages. But thanks to Crossplay it's easier to face Pc cheaters not to mention the obvious PC vs Console argument in terms of controls, especially for killer and not to mention how ######### Console optimization is and how manny problems Old Gen and NEW GEN consoles are having.
There's no way to keep DC penalties up with this much reasoning against it.
The only excuse people have in favor of DC bans is people being sore losers, which doesn't happen that often, more people are having performance issues or crashing rather than just going oh no they did a gen or oh no they hit me let me DC ... I'd rather lobby dodge if i suspect i'm facing something i won't like based on people profiles and who and what they are bringing. I'll even dodge shady survivors while i play survivor.
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Rofl. You could not be more wrong.
If you don't have DC penalties:
- People DC for any reason that hurts their paper-thin feelings
- Matches never complete
- People write reviews 'Don't buy; can't play a match'
- Sales plummet
- Game goes under
To think DC penalties will kill a game is the height of either not knowing how anything works, or wanting to doom-say to try scaring people into agreeing with pure BS.
Source: Literally any PvP game with DC penalties has never died due to DC penalties.
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Killers still have a chance to come back if they snowball.
Why would I care if I win time for my team? I play solo and dont get any points for giving them time.
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The only excuse people have in favor of DC bans is people being sore losers, which doesn't happen that often, more people are having performance issues or crashing rather than just going oh no they did a gen or oh no they hit me let me DC
This is wrong. Most DCs are ragequits. You can tell because the number of DCs goes down drastically when the penalties are live.
I find the DC penalties questionable in a game with so many issues, I don't think it's okay that players are punished when the game crashes, but I'm not going to pretend that most disconnects are actually the game's fault.
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Your preventing people from queueing up and ruining another match. Everytime someone DCes, its abunch of wasted time for everyone involved. Doesnt have to be a competitive game for people to be pissed off that they had their time wasted and their match ruined. If everytime you play Monopoly with one of your friends, you find that they flip the board anytime they dont get the roll they want... Do you really wanna ask them to play anymore?
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DBD is competitive, whether you like it or not. The only mode is a ranked mode where players can gain rank or lose rank based on performance. Both sides are often playing to win.
DBD might be more casual than other PvP games, but it's still competitive by the nature of being a PvP game.
But also it's funny that the people insisting that DBD is a casual game are the ones who feel the most inclined to DC whenever the game isn't going the way they want it to. Which implies these "casual" players take the game pretty seriously in the first place. Almost like it's a competitive game to them.
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Until you can say why they DC'ed you can't tell they will ruin another match, that's the point. THeres so manny reasons a DC can happen and you're all going the DC'er is BAD SPORT, can't take a loss, bla bla bla... That's not true, that's not what i experience. I don't have manny Survivors DC on me and if i ever DC is because of game breaking performance issues, wich are not my fault.
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Performance should remain more or less the same in any situation. If you're DCing so much due to "performance" that it becomes a problem, then you should probably wait until the game is better optimized.
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It's competitive in the aspect that it's 4v1 but it's not competitive in atraditional sense like fighting games are for example. DbD is a casual party game.
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What region? My solo q time is almost instant
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Absolutly but then you're agreeing with me that not all DC are just bad sport players. There's a reason DC penalties were turned off during this chapter right? Guess what people are still having issues so why is the DC penalty back already before the problems are solved? Clearly the problems aren't solved, they jsut want to keep people lokced in matches afraid of not playing because of the DC penalty. They're forcing people to either endure the issues or not play. It's as simple as this.
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The game need a surrender option because i know if i get certain map with killer its not worth the time i invest in that match i will lose if the player are decent they dont need to be good just decent
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As someone who dc's a lot (im working on it) it is made as a punishment, no matter what. Also, unless you dc a ######### ton, its only 5 minutes
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Welcome to the internet. If you let something like that get to you you probably shouldnt be playing online multiplayer games.
You cna get friends together and make a custom lobby and practice with them if you want a more "fair" environment. Dcing does not make anything fair, if anything its unfair to the other 4 players in the match. So you are saying you "deserve" a fair game but the rest doesnt because you want to DC?
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survivor queues in EU and in NA are tops 2 to 3 minutes in red/purple ranks.
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I'm not agreeing with you on anything. You're trying to muddle the issue by lumping people with legitimate issues in with people who purposefully DC, even though we're just talking about the latter. They're not the same thing, and you know it.
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If someone doesnt DC often and they just needed out of a match because something out of the norm happened... they really dont have to worry about the penalty. They'll have to deal with 5 minutes, big deal. If someone has a 3 hour DC penalty... they're the people who shouldnt be queueing up.
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You're lumping them together aswell, you're defending DC penalties for any and all DC. If Performance wasn't an issue, DC bans by crash wouldn't happen, if performance wasn't an issue killers wouldn't be reporting sound issues, scratch mark issues, etc and DC'ing early or mid match when they notice something is not normal. So if the game worked then you are eliminating the DC's cause by external reasons so then yes you can have the DC penalty back to punish bad sports.
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How is that any different? Thats the same exact thing but calling it a different word. You want to call it quits because you dont like the map.
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You're absolutly right. But you can't tell why i DC'ed and neither can i tell why you DC'ed and we can't see each other's DC timers so we have no way to tell WHY the DC happened and if it's a frequent thing for you or me. So we're either both screwed by an unfair ban or we're both DC'ing alot or one of us is and the other isn't. Can you tell? Cause i can't tell who DC's alot and doesn't. That's why i am not lumping Bad Sports and Bad Performance/Unexpected events together like most people is.
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On Playstation, I can create another user, still play the game I paid for once, but that new user has no rank or anything. Maybe learn your new killer that way? Your essential complaint is that you're not as good with this killer as your rank might indicate.
I haven't tinkered with Steam account stuff for a long time. Can you create another steam account and then maybe family share the game and play at low ranks with your new killers? Kind of a training account?
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If you make a surrender option for killer you can add that the rest of the party keep their addon. I would say they can keep their offering but this could be easy to exploit with BP offering
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So what if they click their flashlights at you? It’s silly to think that’s a reason you should be able to dc at will without a penalty. Just play the match and focus on practising the killer.
If a killer starts smacking a survivor on hook and nodding at them does that mean they should be able to dc as well? Or do you think they should just get over it and move on to the next match?
BMing is annoying but it doesn’t actually do anything to stop you playing the game, even if it’s a killer you’re new to.
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Lol I only play online games but DBD is the only game where being toxic is rewarded. In an FPS being toxic is neither rewarded, or punished and its only up to the individual player to see whos better yeah you'll get a tea bag but you can still come back from it. In DBD you can't come back if you're a new killer because you're FORCED to play in a high rank competitive environment.
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I cant tell who DCes alot, but the system can. If you had a weird fluke experience where you had to DC for the first time today...go get a snack and requeue after 5 minutes is up. If your DC timeout is 3 hours, thats the system saying your doing it too much. I dont need to see your timer, you dont need to see mine. Your arguement is under the assumption that people who DC constantly are treated the same way as people who run into an unavaoidable circumstance once in a blue moon... which isnt the case at all. The difference comes in play with the timers.
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I know how you feepd about getting bullied and want to dc but that ruins the Game for everyone else.
A good way to deal with it is tab out of the Game and open YouTube or Spotify and turn on a meme Song or relaxing music. Also turn the game volume down to 0. Then jumo back into the Game and chase, get break some pallets in chase... You know - basic stuff. The whole point about that is dont take the Match too serious and maybe take a break after the Match and come back later.
I would love to see a "surrender vote" for Survivors and Killer after like 4 or 5 Minutes of The Game. It should be an activated option, if the Killers has no one on Hook after that timer and for Survivors, if someone is afk and dies early because of it (or DC...). The other Team should get like 20% more Bloodpoints and should be saved from a depip at least. So if the Killer surrenders, Survivors have nothing to be afraid of (rank and bp wise). And they still had a kinda fun match. Same for the Killer side.
I think that would make everything easier. Ofc you could debate about when you can surrender a Match and so on.
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The penalty is because it runs the game for all the other players in the match, this applies to both sides.
If you are trying something new, then just take a deep breath and practice. When confronted with such a situation how are you going to deal with it... push on and analyze your predicament. You want to learn do you not and if they slam gens, you can open the gate yourself to force the end.
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