Why DC Penalty for killers?
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The amount of times DbD has crashed for me on PS5 would warrant me hours of bans during this chapter and event....Even now with the 2 "fix patches" i'm still having performance issues on PS5. Not even playing, just logging into the game drops massive frames, clicking either killer or survivor makes the game freeze and buffer but hey the Store opens up immediatly when you click it, then you can imagine what happens when a match starts.... Now come tell me it's my fault if i chose or get DC'ed too much and i'm warranted those bans that i would have gotten...
All the DC bans do is makes queue times longer and force the matchmaking to pick people outside of a a fair match setting. If queues are longer and matches are unfair what do you think happens? More people will DC cause they don't want an unfair match after they've already waited however long for it. Plus there isn't any game balance reason for the DC bans to exists, DC's don't Balance matches, doesn't help queue times and doesn't help matchmacking fairness.
What is the DC bans benefiting? Absolutly nothing, sometimes you're punishing quitters, sometimes you're punishing people who did nothing wrong but EVERYTIME you're influencing queues and matchmaking fairness. Think about this...
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No one is being "bullied" by pixels in a video game.
Should I be allowed to DC without a penalty when a doctor slugs me when no one else is left and refuses to hook me? When they stand over me and just shake their heads at me and let me bleed out because I dared to play the game and be the last one alive? Should I be allowed to DC when my teammates body block me when I'm cleansing a totem, for instance, and we both get crows?
Don't act like killers are the only ones who have crappy games they'd like to move on from and are forced to stay in by the devs. At least you have End Game Collapse. Put on your big kid pants and open the gate.
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I dont know where you got the idea that longer queue times will cause people to want to DC and thus re-enter said queues. It should actually be the exact opposite really, lol. As for WHY you keep DCing...yeah, it sucks when you have an issue outside of your control. That being the case though, even if you are dropping out of your matches for technical issues...those matches STILL get ruined for the other 4 players. Allowing you to hobble into another match so you can DC from that one too doesnt fix anything and just pushes the problem to another batch of players. If your lagging out of your matches so often that your DC punishment timer gets cranked up really high, yeah...it sucks... but I know I wouldnt wanna get queued up with you. Just tells me that you're just as likely to end up DCing out of the lobby as someone who ragequit over and over to get their DC timer that high.
As for your question of what do DC bans do...
It increases the likelihood that I'm gonna get to play with people who WONT DC, since the people who DO DC alot (whether from technical issues OR requiting) are waiting for their long DC timers to go down.
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Yeah, maybe we can celebrate the 10th anniveraary when they finally did improve the matchmaking? Considering I took a break in 2018 and just came back this year... and the matchmaking is still as atrocious as it used to be...
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No one is being "bullied" by pixels in a video game.
There are people behind those pixels, though. The OP may not be justified in their excuses to DC, but let's not pretend it's just "pixels in a video game" or "words on a screen". There are real humans on both sides of the screen interacting with each other.
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Wait what?
How are you unable to come back from toxic behaviour in dbd but you are in other online games?
Being toxic in dbd has the same amount of weight as in any other online games.
The fact you think you can come back from it in other games is because you are letting it get to you in dbd.
Toxicity isn't rewarded in dbd nor any other game.
It only shows the nature of the player behind the character and nothing more.
I can't see how toxicity in dbd is rewarded in the first place? 🤷🏼♂️
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It's always funny or rather headscratching strange when this argument comes up that the pixel don't do anything.
Humans are empathic creatures and the intent behind any form of gesture can be felt.
Of course rapid crouching in DBD as an example has many messages behind it depending on the person using it but as a community/society it was branded as a rude gesture to ascert dominance over the opponent for example.
What I want to say with this is that even when survivor mean it in a friendly way they have to remember that the widely understood message is one of rude behaviour.
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You say survivors should have a penalty but not killers because you want to try different builds, what about survivors that want to try a different build?
Just don't dc, is a crappy thing to do for everyone that has had to wait for the game.
Try your build for the game and have fun with it. Its not just about you, there are others in that trail also....
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Queues times influence matchmaking, if there's people who can't be in matchmaking then matchmaking is slower. So to counter that slowdown matchmaking will start picking any available people regardless of FAIRNESS, meaning unfair matches wich can lead to more DC's. That's how DC's influence matchmaking and queues. Not only unfair matches but also further away people aswell, meaning worse connections which cna lead to match cancelation cause DC's in loading or DC's because the connection is bad throughout the match and someone decides they had enough...
Just because you play with people who Don't DC doesn't mean they are enjoying the game, maybe they are just enduring it so they can avoid the DC ban...
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People SHOULD endure rather than DC. It doesnt matter if you find a particular map/killer/whatever to be not your particular favorite, DCing shouldnt be tolerated for anything shy of being stuck in a rock or something. For those enduring because they dont wanna be hit with a penalty... sounds like the penalty is having the results it was intended to have. Endure on.
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We just need a forfait option.
As killer you could forfait and basically black pip and keep your BP. Survivors would get extra BP from it.
As survivor, you could start a vote (only 1 every 5 minutes) and the majority win. Killer would get extra BP from it.
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Yes endure a bad game, very healthy behaviour to have. Let me purpusefully endure this crap match, whatever the reason may be, instead of finding one that can be better and keep me happy and playing for longer... Very good psychology there. Using FEAR of a ban to keep people in a BAD place isn't a Solution. Very good psychology there. Either Endure the match or endure the penalty, so you're just enduring something rather than having enjoyment in something? very good psychology there.
So if a DC'er should endure the game then the remaining ones should endure the game with 1 less player aswell right? So Dc'ing doesn't ruin the game for anyone else more than it ruins it for the DC'er. If someone doesn't show up for work somebody else has to endure right? But you're not banning the other guy from working are you? you need that guy to work, same as DbD needs that player.
DC'ing isn't a crime and enduring crap matches isn't an heroc thing. If the game was better less people would crash, less people would have performance issues, less people would find reasons to DC.
I can tell you 1 DC is the same pratical effect of 1 Sacrifice. The end result is the same, 1 less Survivor. Only if a killer DC's is it really problematic since the whole match is canceled but until you figure out why the killer DC'ed you can't fault the player. The DC ban system also can't tell why a player DC'ed which is why the deactivated the system in this chapter...
So if the system can't tell why then the system is punishing players regardless of anything. Then people stop dc'ing because they are AFRAID of the penalty. How can you support a system that can't identify causes and uses fear to prevent DCs?
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Buddy that work example doesn't work in your favor. Someone quitting early again and again under the pretext of a migraine or something will be fired sooner or later.
Same when playing for example soccer with friends. The game doesn't go your way or you think that you get focused by the other team or fouled without repercussions and quit often. At some point your friends don't want you on their team anymore since they know you leave them at man disadvantage on a regular basis.
Let's do this instead of DC penalties. People get branded for everyone to see in lobby killer and survivor. For every DC done in the last maybe 7 days. Let's see how long it will take until there will be no more games and only lobby dodging.
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Yup, endure whatever match you get placed in or get hit with the DC penalty. Im glad you catch on quick. You might not LIKE the punishment, but you are infact seeing that its a punishment. You arnt SUPPOSE to like it. Endure or suffer the punishment, cuz id much rather have 5 people in my game who will "endure" than have anyone who decides that XYZ map/perk/killer/WHATEVER isnt fun and DCes for it.
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The only real solution to this is a ranking system that takes into account player reputation based upon their actions. If folks (both sides) are abandoning matches and/or survivors taking the first hook before phase 1. They should not be ranking up.
With positive players and this type of a design I am suggesting, It should be, that as you rank up. You aren't having these types of players in your pools anymore. For those that do this type of action, a timeout does nothing other than it enrages a person even more. Since now they are waiting and only becoming much more angry which makes their tendencies to throw or take it out on others More likely. Vs if they are distracted with the next match. Plus this would curtail "server surge" easier for network operators. (as folks come off of their time out penalties).
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Yes it does work in my favor, just because somebody doesn't show up once or has to leave early doesn't mean they aren't a good worker, you need to know why they did what they did, they'll get a cut on their pay for sure but you're not gonna ban him from working the next day are you? But DbD bans you from the next game regardless of whatever made you DC. If you're DC'ing that much or not showing up that much for work then you won't be playing or working.
Anyway you're still suggesting something other than DC penalties so at least we agree DC penalties is not a solution however publicly showing a DC Record isn't good cause again where's the context? You will only know how manny DC's not why the DC happened...So again you're solving nothing and again we're in the lowest point in the games history when it comes to performance so alot of people would have DCs in their record but these DC's weren't intentional so having a DC Record would be meaningless in this situation aswell.
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Sure endure whatever, hey let's endure Covid and skip Vaccines, let's endure Slavery and skip Human Rights, let's endure War , let's endure hunger and poverty...
YOU just want others to endure so that YOU get to do whatever. YOU are only thinking about YOURSELF. YOU want others to be frsutrated just so YOU can get your BP...YOU don't give a damn about whatever others might be enduring, YOU just want the match to go on no matter how BAD and miserable it might be for someone else. It's all about YOU...
So why don't YOU endure when someone DC's? LEt them DC and YOU endure...Do as you Preach. LEt them DC's you're so tough you can endure it.
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Will you get sick (and potentially die, or at least suffer long-term effects), be enslaved, or have your country go to war if you don't DC? My guess is "No", so don't compare those things with a video game having a DC penalty. It's demeaning to the people who died of COVID, the people who were (and are) enslaved, and the people who fought and died in wars.
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If you want to rage quit games of DBD so badly, why do you even play?
Sounds like you would be far better off finding a different game to go play since you are clearly not enjoying DBD.
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Those people endure real suffering cause there was no other option. DbD has another option. DC bans only perpetuate frustration by not being able to move on to another match. It's much easier for you to recover if you get a better match than sit there waiting and let that DC in a harmless video game chew on your psyche. You're much more inclined to stay frustrated by waiting than you are by fiding another match.
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Or... if your psyche is so fragile that not being able to DC without punishment is breaking you, you have the option of uninstalling. Maybe look for another multiplayer game that lets you DC if the other players dont play how you want them to.
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But i did quit DBD cause the game isn't performing well and DC bans are not warranted but they are active...People are being Punished without justification for it. The system doesn't care why you DC'ed you're getting timed out wether or not you DC voluntarily. Does that sound fair to you?
Now couple Matchmaking and queue times into factor during this last month and a half. With so manny people not being able to play on Console queues get longer and matchmaking has to pick whoever is available, lowering the chances for a fair match and also lowering the quality and stability of matches since there's less people in Queue. This is why they disabled the DC penalty, it would only harm the game.
Clearly after the updates alot of people, myself included, are still having major issues however the DC penalty is back on so we either EAT CRAP or DONT PLAY which leads to the same #########, not enjoying the game.
I'll happily abandon DbD but guess what? Manny haven't and manny won't, that means they are being enslaved to a game and it's systems that only punishes them wether they are right or wrong.
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If you quit then why are you still hanging around?
You are in the minority for wanting d/c penalties removed and you also aren't even a current player. So your input is meaningless.
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######### me you're dense....It's not about ME, it's not about the other players it's about the game enforcing a system that punishes people without descrimination. It's because of how the system works that they had to deactivate the system during this Chapter... If the system didn't punish crashes for example then they wouldn't need to deactivate the system.
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No it's not meaningless, i still have 3 years played of this game but i'm not playing DbD until performance gets fixed, i've said this multiple times now, if people don't read then that's not on me. I'm just saying DC penalties should not be back on when the game still isn't performing well, doesn't matter if i'm a minority or not, you don't ignore minorities, you don't ignore customers. That's all i have said all this time. And i'm using real world anologies to make the point across. You don't issue temporary bans on people in the real world without cause. If you're caught stealing and go to jail there's a worthy cause to time you out of the rest of society, you got caught cheating the rest of society so until you pay for it you're locked out. DC'ing in DbD isn't a worthy cause to ban someone from playing until you have a worthy cause to issue the Ban but since the game isn't performing well there's plenty of causes for DC's so it's much easier for the reason to be outside of players control thus the system can't work and punish people just because a DC happened.
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So it’s okay for killers to leave a match they aren’t having fun in, but a survivor can’t?
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Because dcing is still dcing
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Post game chat is something different, I agree, but no one is being bullied by pixels in a video game, period. That is not what bullying is. And it makes actual situations of bullying seem less significant if people think not having fun playing DBD is bullying.
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Because you are the survivors ######### and they get to just screw with you and you have to take it. JK (sorta) but you really shouldn't DC, you're mostly just blowing it for yourself if you do.
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Post game chat is something different, I agree, but no one is being bullied by pixels in a video game, period.
Again, that completely disregards the fact that there are humans behind those pixels.
That is not what bullying is.
Please, do tell: what is bullying, and why is it impossible to do virtually?
And it makes actual situations of bullying seem less significant if people think not having fun playing DBD is bullying.
I'd say reducing in-game bullying to "not having fun" and human-controlled characters to "pixels in a video game" is worse.
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Is this dude still trying to insist that he's right and everyone else is wrong and the DC penalty is bad?
My man; the DC penalty is literally the ONE thing Survivors and Killers can agree on. (Well...1 of 3 things; DC penalty, Trapper needs a buff, and Legion is pitiful).
You have tons of people telling you you are wrong. Just accept it; we need the DC penalty. Your attitude shows exactly why.
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Sweet, we'll let ya know when you can go ahead and log back in. Until then, go ahead and do as you said and dont play anymore.
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Shhhh... He just said he's not gonna play anymore. I see this as an absolute win.
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And just like with others you don't differentiate between people that crash seldomly unintentionally and what most people that defend DC penalties are talking about, namely series offenders that quit game after game.
The former were the reason that DC penalties where turned off during the event and the latter showed up again in masses due to that and make it mandatory to have some kind of penalty.
So your arguments are still that people with unintentional crashes would be punished but that is why the punishment starts so shallow and only gets worse after multiple disconnects in rather quick succession. And I would say when your game is so unstable that you can accumulate enough DC to get the penalty up to hours than you should in general think of taking a break from a not working game like in your example when already the main menu has issues.
I can't understand people that know they have issues with their game but hardheadedly keep trying to play knowing that with every time they even unintentionally but knowingly DC screw 4 other people out of normal match. Like i don't play league of legends when I know my internet has problems at an evening instead of being stubborn and play regardless knowing that I will be useless for my team plus i would get pissed off at the lags itself.
Lastly about the point of this game not being a party game in my eyes. I have seen comparisons to either for example fall guys or Apex legends in this and other threads. Both of those games are free for all type of pvp games so either it is everyone against everyone or multiple squads against each other where the individual team member is not as important.
DBD on the other hand is, like a fighting game and other pvp games with two sides/teams competing with each other with no respawn (like league legends/overwatch) or reconnects/fill ups (like rainbow six siege/rocket league in normal games). The team size is also fixed and a small unlike for example battlefield which doesn't have a DC penalty due to rejoins and bigger teamsizes.
DBD operates like the ranked mode in thosd games mentioned above where they also have a DC penalty and therefore DBD too needs a DC penalty in an age and medium where people hide behind and alias and online anonymity and have no reputation to lose (the idea of the branding) or feeling of responsibility without any repercussions thanks to being save from them behind the alias and so on. So a system has to punish irresponsible behaviour and sadly a few innocent have to suffer to keep the majority in check.
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