My Reasoning on Why Fnaf Belongs In DbD
(Edit: Don't just comment to tell me that my ideas aren't new. I legit want to have a genuine conversation not argue about if I'm spam or not. If you don't like this post because it's been done before, ignore it. I get why you don't like it but I'm not gonna stop sharing my opinion on a website that is about sharing my opinion. Also if this is *spam* it has a lot of views for just being spam.)
Okay. I'm doing it. I've prepared this post for months. I really wanted to make it but never had the courage to do so, but with the new chapter teasers and the huge Pinhead or Springtrap debate, I just want to do it (Also I believe the next killer is Pinhead, but I can dream).
So I'm going to go over the large arguments on why fnaf does belong in DbD and how it could work out. I encourage you leave your opinion as well. If you don't want fnaf in DbD, that is 100% okay, as long as you have a better reasoning than "fnaf is for kids," which brings me to...
Fnaf is for kids: No. No it isn't.
Okay sure more recently the game seems to be more advertised for children, and children are usually associated with the fnaf franchise, but there is a huge division in the fnaf community.
Kids play the game, Adults enjoy the game. Kids think of the game just as a spooky game that they can watch YouTubers play and get scared by. That's what it was to me when I was younger, but now I genuinely enjoy the franchise for its lore, characters, gameplay, and much more.
Also, let me just say, a game involving murder, child murder, someone's innards being ripped out and replaced by a robot, a walking Corpse, a walking Corpse inside of a robotic suit, childrens souls being trapped in a purgatory where they are stuck inside robots, and and a man being haunted by the souls of his dead victims doesn't sound like a kids game to me. The game is messed up, and horrific. There are plenty of videos that display what fnaf truly can be, just look up "Fnaf Vhs tapes" on YouTube.
Also, lets hypothetically say fnaf is a kids game, so kids come to DbD. Well guess what, that means faster queue times. And if you want to say that kids won't play good, plenty of adults play this game worse than a 1 year old could.
I hate it when people use this argument, because it doesn't hold up and is the equivalent of saying "Deadpool is a kids movie because kids like Deadpool."
I do not think it is a valid argument and do not expect me to reply to you if you use this argument.
The Scott Situation: Okay, first of all #IStandByScott, second of all, good point.
The situation with Scott is messy, and I see why people wouldn't want Fnaf in DbD for that reason. I really don't want to talk about the situation tho, this is a conversation about killing people virtually, not politics. However knowing money is going to someone I dislike is a bad feeling. I think its fine to dislike Scott, and I'm sure BHVR may just not want to dip their toes in that water.
So this really isn't an argument pro-fnaf but I just wanted to state it.
The Money: Fnaf could be an absolute money machine for DbD. There are alot of characters that could be skins (because let's face it, Springtrap is the most hyped choice for killer) for Springtrap. Personally Ennard would be an amazing legendary skin, or maybe the original 4 animatronics. Any way you slice it, it would make a ton of money. Not even to mention the fact that you would have to buy the dlc. It's probably the most hyped chapter in DbD, so a TON of people would buy it.
Springtrap: Springtrap feels like a perfect fit for the killer roster. Like, cmon, which fits more? A group of teens that got peer pressured into killing someone vs a serial killer that was trapped in a suit by the souls of his victims that then proceeded to gut him like a fish, but not kill him, and now is out for revenge. Like seriously, fnaf haters say Springtrap doesn't belong when his lore is 10x better than most of the killers. Not to mention his design. A small touch up to make him darker and fit in with the DbD environment would make him perfect tbh. Again, compared to Legion, which is just a teen with a mask (I am allowed to slander Legion I main him).
We Could Get A Good New Map: RPD suuucks so hard, and it really makes me want to see BHVR make a good map. Personally I think BHVR makes good maps from other franchises (I like Midwich don't @ me) and RPD was just a slip up. But the Fnaf 1 or 3 location could really work out in a great map, or hell, Security Breach is on its way, getting a map from that could be amazing.
So that was my argument. Please tell me why Springtrap does or doesn't belong, however if you say it's because fnaf is for kids I may block you, just kidding but not really.
Happy Gaming!
Comments
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This topic is new and refreshing.
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FNAF is trash.
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Look man, I just wanted to share my opinion on a topic. This is what the forums are for. I wanted to make a reasonable argument other then spamming "fnaf in dbd"
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Can you elaborate on that? Like just saying it's trash doesn't really tell me anything.
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What, you couldn't just bump all the other 8485859 FNAF topics out there? What makes yours so special?
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I agree.
One more point i'd like to add is that if DBD is the "Hall of Fame of Horror", Five Night's at Freddy's definitely fits. It's the most successful and popular indie franchise horror game series ever. And the reason why there's so many fnaf fan games, is because the concept and execution was done very well. The original game is extremely tense. In my heart, it's a masterpiece.
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Great point! I never really thought about that.
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Markiplier as a survivor plz.
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Not gonna lie that would be cool and funny at the same time.
Is he technically canon since he was in a Fnaf trailer for AR phone app?
Though would just like have Springtrap as a paragraph killer with a possible map so will be easier to have him.
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The thing is, and here I’m going to sound old, I don’t necessarily want a bunch of kids flooding into the game. (I say kids because it’s the word you used.) You can say the fandom has matured, and maybe it has, but we already have enough kids playing this game that think it’s fun to troll and sandbag their team mates, then immediately call them slurs in chat. I’d rather not see more.
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What people don't seem to realise is that the series is over seven years old now, and many of the younger fans of the series have since grown up. A quick peek at the FNAF reddit for example shows that the overwhelming majority of users there are very mature people, much more so than DBD's own community IMO.
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You may very well be right. My experience with the game was when it was new, and the community around it was awful. (Yes, I know that DBD is a salt mine.)
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I've said this in another thread, but whenever people say FNAF is a kids game I remind them: lots of kids play GTA and Call of Duty, and lots of adults play Pokémon and Animal Crossing. People like what they like, so don't ruin it for them. As for the kids, its really their parents fault letting them play mature games- developers can only do so much.
You're absolutely right on the lore BTW. Legion is a group of rebel teens who committed 1 murder. Killers like Plague and Wraith unknowingly murdered dozens/hundreds, making them less evil than a serial child killer. Springtrap's lore is on par with Myers, Clown, and Freddy for how screwed up and truly 'evil' it is. You think the aesthetic doesn't fit DBD either? The game where we have Chicken and Elephant clown, a K-Pop idol as a Killer, Ronnie the Rabbit outfits for Legion (cmon, these are practically the same as FNAF) as well as the various Survivor outfits that have no place being in a horror game. We stopped treating this as a 'seriously scary' game a long time ago.
There is so much potential when FNAF crosses over with DBD, they're arguably the most popular horror games of our time next to Silent Hill and Resident Evil (at least the most popular non-Japan based horror game). Cosmetics for multiple killers, not just Springtrap, are possible with their powers and abilities.
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Well said
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Well this is something I didn't know I needed and now need it more than oxygen.
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Thank you. This is better said than I ever could.
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We already have quite a few, which ones in particular do you want?
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So, the story as to why everything happens is... interesting, to say the least. I heard people tell it to me, though I had my teeth grit the whole time, long story, but it's not hatred.
It has an interesting premise, but the issue stems from the fact that it's buried and all over the place instead being more laid out.
So, you have to a LOT more searching in order to have a more clearer understanding and it's more obnoxious to go out of your way to learn this info.
I have a significantly easier time understanding RE's lore, Silent Hill's lore, and Evil within, and those games are crazy.
Most of the interesting lore is just buried deep into random events, niche options, and file exploration instead of it being a more laid out path.
If it wasn't such a genuine pain to learn, I think it'd be more welcoming, because right now it's sabotaging it's own lore by putting itself as a Jumpscare game
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There's one big thing (aside from many small ones) that disqualifies fnaf from dbd:
No feasible gameplay.
I've seen dozens of threads like this, some musing about perks, morie, outfits, maps design... but rarely gameplay.
Lately we had three killers in a row that were quite lackluster. Although you can view Nemesis as a beginner's killer, trickster and twins are still low tier, regardless how you play.
But they all bring something to the table. springy? what would he do? he has nothing. fnaf is all stress and jumpscares, so how would you NOT have him be a carbon copy of Ghostie? Hag? Michael?
I have seen a few ideas for his powers but they all... made him a plain, dull iWin button. invisible stealth killer with an insta down (this commonly popped up) sometimes immune to spinechill? who combines wraiths cloaking (thus seeing survivors) with spirit's insta uncloak?
how is that fun?
There's good ideas for so many other characters, horror and other franchises alike that would make for interesting gameplay. but for fnaf I have yet to see something that wouldn't insist on some godmode, unbestable killer.
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I have a concept that I remade (tho tbh I prefer the old one) if you want to check it out. I'm sure there is some stuff they could do. I mean they made Freddy fit in (granted I hate how they implemented him, his power is way too weird and unfitting) so I'm sure Springtrap wouldn't be too hard. I made my old Springtrap concept before Blight and it is pretty similar to him, but I feel like there is still potential there. But I understand your point.
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NO.
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There's another aspect to this:
Look how... insistent... you and other fnaf fans are about it... Cross your heart, how many would get seriously angry if bhvr would not turn springy into some unbestable godmode killer?
That said, can I ask you a question:
Would you be okay with getting Willy's Wonderland instead of fnaf?
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Well I can agree that it is complicated but thats why I love it. Idk why but ADHD probably helps. The fact that there are so many unsolved points and so many hidden things and Easter eggs is just fun to me. I get why people dislike it, 100%, and I'll admit that the enjoyment from the lore more recently has become more ironic, because tbh the lore is pretty bonkers now. But I grew up with the game and it's just special to me.
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This is for reasonable discussion I'm not gonna reply to people if a they want to do is slander each other. I know threads like this exist, but the forums are for sharing opinions, and I'm sharing mine. Just because others have the same opinion doesn't mean mine is irrelevant, I have the right to share my opinion like you are. It's fine if you don't like these threads, just ignore them.
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I wouldn't care. I would just want him included. I love fnaf and just want to see a franchise I love in a game I love.
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I would love to see a Pennywise chapter man.
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If you already heard all those reasonings before, then why is everytime fnaf is mentioned there's a dozen of neckbeards jumping in screaming "FNaF is trash for kids"? Maybe they read those reasonings, disagreed with them and just express their opinion in that... manner? Well, where are the counter posts to op? It's just "Stop FNaF, so many FNaF, angy becouse I'm obligated to visit every topic I don't like", which is silly at most.
P.S. To the op - thank you. I'm not a huge FNaF fan myself, but it was a good read and I appreciate it.
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I'm missing the point I feel. I'm an active user of the forums and I post more than just fnaf things. I am a concept creator that, yes, has made fnaf concepts, but has made many other concepts as well. I just wanted to share an opinion man.
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Brings us back to the question: would pennywise work? he and the entity are sorta the same... species?
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I commend you on a well-presented argument for FNAF's inclusion within the Dead By Daylight universe.
So I admit: I'm not a fan of the FNAF games, as I much prefer psychological horror to jump scares (which I just find funny, rather than scary). However, you are right to say it's not a kiddies game, as there are some darker elements. Also, it would fit Dead By Daylight as would any other horror game, and beyond (I still reckon Carnage from "Spiderman" would fit in well, not to mention characters from other non-horrors).
Absolutely, I would have no problem with its inclusion, were it to be in future. There are franchises I'd prefer over it (e.g.: Alien; The Evil Within; Alan Wake (and its universe, including "Control"); Slumberparty Massacre 2; Terminator; Outlast; X-Files; Batman and The Magnus Archives, to name some), but it's got potential.
Also, there is a potentially interesting power it could have, providing the focus is on FNAF as a whole, and not just SpringTrap:
From what I do remember, FNAF jas the animatronics moving alternatively in some way, so Springtrap would move whilst the others may not, that Fox thing would move whilst others may not, etc.. So as its power, why not have it focus on both having all the animatronics, and the key component to FNAF of surveillance. The player can only control 1 animatronic at a time, but can look through and transport to any of those animatronics at will. Of course, there would be a cooldown or warning for survivors (eyes flashing and electric sparks maybe?), but that power would actually be a new and interesting map-based power to accompany others like Trapper, Hag, Freddy and Demogorgon.
Finally, for anyone who feels it's childish because they're animal costumes, I'd like to remind them the Clown dresses like an elephant, Trapper as some cheesy strongman, and all 4 legion members as a bunny mascot (which the colours still remind me of Teletubbies ... I want Teletubby skins for Legion now! What has become of my life!😭
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Yeah, im not 100% sure how it would work, it's more of a dream than a chapter I would hype up. But it would be cool to see him one day .
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Cool. I honestly and genuinely don't care man.
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Thanks man. I like your idea, it's unique and I usually see alot of active killer concepts for him, but him being a laid back killer like Hag is super interesting.
(Also I too want an Alien chapter)
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You didn't have to enter this thread if you're so sick of seeing them, just letting you know. Ironically, you commenting actually bumps this thread, so you're keeping it on the front page. There's nothing wrong with FNAF threads, or else one of the crew members would've closed it down, enough with the selfish-petty stuff.
I don't see anyone complaining about the hundreds to thousands of DS, NOED, Camping, Tunneling, and Gen-rushing threads. FNAF is always a special case apparently. If you don't like it, which is fine — I completely respect your opinion, but again, don't comment on it if you don't want to see it? Just let it get bumped down.
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Dude, your saying that the fnaf spam is annoying when you could legit just ignore these threads. You don't have to do this. I've expressed disinterest in what you are saying and you are still going. You are the very thing you are saying you don't like. I get it. You dont like people enjoying something. You dont need to remind me.
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For Pennywise, there's two directions they could go.
1. Pennywise taken from the end of the Chapter Two movie. It's on the verge of death, and makes a deal with the Entity as a last-ditch grasp at survival. This would explain why it doesn't just kill everybody and overthrow the Entity, because the Entity probably bound it to itself - or whatever justification you could imagine. This would be better for a full chapter.
2. Pennywise taken during its long sleep between the two films. This would be more of a PH-style service to the Entity - instead of being captured by the Entity, Pennywise would participate in trials as of its own free will, like a vacation of sorts. It would also be unique in that it would be the sole killer in the roster who can leave the Entity's realm at any time - it's just there to get a slice of the Entity's great emotion feast. This would be better for a paragraph.
I'd prefer the second one, honestly. I think a full IT chapter would be hard to implement due to the problem of a survivor and designing a sewer map, and this backstory does more justice to Pennywise.
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Dude I love that second idea, that's hilarious and I would love to see it.
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As someone who's played the games and doesn't like them, FNAF would fit in dbd. The only reason why people say it doesn't fit is because it's merchandise is marketed towards children & alot of FNAF videos on youtube had children as their target audience like "Calling Bonnie at 3am challenge"
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It would add that fear of always feeling watched, which is a common fear in every day life that a lot of people have, so having animatronics just standing motionless would probably unnerve quite a lot of people, not knowing if they're gonna strike into action. I'd love a surveillance killer that would induce that fear factor. Would be great to see it one day!
Also, thumbs up for a fellow "Alien Chapter" supporter! As for survivor, obviously Ellen Ripley would be first choice, but I'd be far from upset if it was Amanda Ripley, as I loved her character in the game.
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option 3:
they are the same species and pennywise is there cause he's wooing the entity
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Silent Hill is a psychological horror game- while there's some aspects of the games that can/do fit in DBD, Pyramid Head isn't anywhere near as strong in DBD as he is in SH. It all comes down to creativity.
Some people find stealth fun, but I agree with you that I like something else. I just made a Springtrap concept that doesn't involve stealth or instadown gameplay (as a part of the base power), its just a matter of how creative you can get with a concept (though admittedly, I used some ideas from other Killers).
The hardest part about Springtrap in DBD, IMO, is the lore- FNAF lore is all over the place, contradicts itself, and can only be found in the most niche places. To lay it out as a cohesive story for DBD in a Killer bio is rough, but once its down I think people will realize how this 'kid's game' really belongs as a horror game and a DBD contender.
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Jesus man, you're still going? If you don't like it just ignore it. It's fine that you want to express dislike towards these posts, but you're clearly not changing my opinion, and I'm not even gonna try to change yours. Just move on tho man. Someone else just said that if you don't like these posts ignore them instead of bumping them back up lol.
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I was visiting forums quite frequently this year, evenings mostly. Honestly don't remember seeing a single FNaF thread, and surely not in amounts that would actually bother normal people. You have to actively hate FNaF itself, not it's community, to seethe like you do at every mention. Which is alright, just don't try to disguise it as something else. It's expected during current time period for 2-3 threads pop up a day, and it's not even that much - most discussions keep themselves to long threads. But you stick your toxic nose into those as well, which kinda annihilates your current argument. Hoping people like you would chill out and let others have their fun, good night.
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There's also over 1000 results for 'Candyman', 'Jason', 'Pennywise', 'Pinhead' & 'Chucky', and likely several other horror icons I cannot think of off the top of my head. Why haven't you complained about those?
It's 1000 mentions of the name, not threads. You mentioning it only adds to the count. The amount of search terms means nothing
Grow up and ignore threads you don't like, it's a public forum. I don't like the endless complaints about game balance, but you don't see me going into those threads and talking down to everyone.
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On a related note, what point in time do you think Springtrap would be taken from should he make it into DBD? Because the iconic design we're all familiar with comes from FNaF 3, but that kinda throws a couple spanners into the works for the series' plot. But if you take him from Pizzeria Simulator, logically he should be using the awful peanut head suit and nobody wants that.
Springtrap is probably my number one personal pick for a licensed killer (besides Art, the Walrider and Candyman) so I'd like to see him done well. I think part of the reason people are so vehement in not wanting FNaF in DBD is just because of timing - it could leave a sour taste in people's mouths if a series they personally dislike/have no feelings towards gets into the game before something more iconic to horror, like the Xenomorph, Pinhead, Jason, Pennywise, etcetera. But he should definitely make it in at some point, he's a perfect fit thematically and they've shown they can make powers out of very little with Pyramid Head.
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At this point ignore him- he's a troll that feeds off FNAF hate. The more you talk to him the more he'll keep going, but if you ignore him it's like not watering a flower- it'll wither away and you won't have to worry about it anymore.
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Dude you have shared your opinion. Now you're just being persistent and annoying.
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I think maybe it would be from fnaf 6 (pizzeria simulator) from the fire that killed him. That would be a great thematic time for him to be taken by the entity.
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Oh I'm gonna. Trust me, it was a little fun but I'm just annoyed now.
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Because it's mine... and I'm sure everyone else thought the same way. Why does my opinion not matter?
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