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Red Ranks Hypocrisy
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If they play to ruin one survivor's expierience every time on 5 gens because they're afraid of losing, while the survivors didn't show they gen rush or they're about to win yet, yeah i'll gatekeep. tunneling shouldn't be complained about if the killer feels he's going to lose but from the start of the game? nah that's just a really disgusting behavior.
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They play to win, just like the vast majority of players. The survivor is irrelevant.
This is why we need SBMM, to separate people who play casually from people who play to win. The former will naturally have a lower MMR and the latter can "sweat" all they want.
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Okay. keep justifying your 5 gen tunneling. regular tunnelers look like nice people compared to you sorry.
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Lol, keep justifying your 5 gen tunneling good sir. you make a regular tunnelers look like nice persons now. good job for that.
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I'm a survivor main, but I take it resorting to ad hominem means you're trying to distract from your lack of retort?
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Congratz. you're the first survivor main that I've seen tunneling on 5 gens when he plays killer.
I really find it hard to believe your words.
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I didn't say I tunneled at 5 gens, that was your (wildly wrong) assumption that you somehow took as gospel truth without even asking.
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You have wrote:
"I tunnel at 5 gens because if I don't, then gens go down even quicker."
Yet a sentence before that you've wrote:
"The few occasions when gens are getting done rather slowly, I tend to be able to sit back for a game. I don't need to worry about pressuring gens perfectly ect,"
Now let me ask you good sir who acuses me of not reading well or going into conclusions, don't you think these 2 statements contradicts?
If you tunnel at 5 gens.. how can you relax and see that they're not gen rushing? you're already taking one guy out of the game while, if you downed them at 5 gens, means you're actually leading cause you got a quick down.
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Now let me ask you good sir who acuses me of not reading well
I didn't accuse you of anything, but the shoe does fit. You're literally quoting someone else. Look at my name - hell, look at my profile picture - then scroll up a bit and look at who said that.
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You're right. I'm actually pretty dumb cause I didn't notice the names, BUT, even tho I'm dumb. you're still claiming to be a survivor main and saying that it's okay that he tunnels on 5 gens cause he wants to win. I find it weird.
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Why? I don't find it weird that I can understand different perspectives and come to the conclusion that what's best isn't necessarily what I like. I don't have to be a killer main or even a competitive player to understand that people trying to win isn't a problem in PvP games. Hell, people trying to win is why I don't usually play PvP games, because I'm more of a casual player.
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Play Killer in red ranks without Gen related perks, when you get 3 gens done by survivors after only 2 chases and hooks come and talk, sorry for you if you are a solo survivor, if the people weren't so obsesed with repairing and scaping with only 14.000 points you wouldn't see that perks so frequently.
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But that is more a matter of matchmaking, isn´t it?
And maybe i am lucky at the moment, but while tunneling and camping had risen after the ds-nerf, they seem now to be declining, at least for me, at the moment.
the true problem is you cant balance around swf and solo at the same time, but that is just ignored by the devs.
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It's okay for trying to win. that's why I never blame killers who tunnel when they realize they got like 2-3 hooks and there are 2 gens left already. I play killer myself a lot and if I go to tunnel if I see the game is almost finished. tunneling normally at 5 gens would be equal and normal for me if you go against 4 man swf with 4 brand new parts every match. Until that day of this scenario to happen, I can't see how tunneling at 5 gens isn't a toxic way to play this game.
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You're right, you can't play killer in red ranks with no gen defence but it's kind of a cycle, players like to sit and repair gens because many killers they play against are using the same sweaty builds even against poor solo q teams, which led me to open this post.
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Trying to win is trying to win, it hardly matter if they're trying to win at 5 gens, 4 gens, or when the gates are open. However, most people who play to win favor the aggressive approach, constantly pressuring their opponents, and that means going all out from the start. You don't let your opponent walk all over you and then try to win just to enforce some personal definition of "fairness".
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Thats not the players fault though, the game is designed in a way where getting 1 person out ASAP is the best strategy. The same way finishing gens ASAP is the best strat and unfun.
They're not playing to "ruin one survivor's experience" they're trying to win (generally). Do you think survivors finishing gens before 1-2 hooks without switching gens is also playing to "ruin one killers experience"? Of course not. Both sides are just trying to do their objective effectively.
"They're afraid of losing" yeah people generally don't play the game to lose. Are survivors also afraid to lose because they focus on gens? If that's what we're calling trying to win, yup.
All my survivor games we all intend to tunnel out gens, we don't leave at 1/3 progress and go do another 0% gen just to be nice. Every survivor team tunnels gens from the start of the game unless they're new or exceedingly bad.
Telling killers "hey you can't play to win or play well until you know the other team does" is silly. That'd be like going to a sports game and telling one side "hey don't try to win until it looks like the other team is trying". That's asinine.
Both sides should be assumed to be trying from the start.
Trying to win is "disgusting behavior"? Then I guess everyone is disgusting on both sides.
Tl;dr If you view tunneling as a problem, its a game design problem not a player problem. So unless they rework the core hook/death system of the game, its unfortunately here to stay, and they're not doing that.
I don't like it, I generally don't do it, but I understand why its done.
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Well, if they tunnel at five generators, there is some problems:
- The Survivor who is chased can't do a chase and get downed pretty quickly, the others don't have time to complete one generator even after they made the save and the Killer went back to the hook.
- The chased one is doing fine but the other Survivors don't do generators.
It's not always the Killer's fault. And as it's apparently super important to tell it, I'm a Survivor main who is super biased the very rare times playing Killer (no tunnel, no camping, not even during EGC).
The reason we need SBMM. If the Survivor who can't do a chase without being downed in five seconds doesn't want to improve, they should be against casual Killers who don't want to play sweaty and improve neither. While the Survivor who knows tiles and make sure to be chased for enough long should be against Killer who has the same skill level.
The issue for now, is most likely the gap between people's skill. A casual player won't be as good as someone who plays "seriously". There is nothing wrong to be casual or competitive, everyone should play the way they find the most fun.
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I use ruin + undying in some killers but not because I'm sweaty, I always play chill not sweaty, I don't camp or tunnel except in some situations; I just want the match to last more than 5 minutes and only 5 hooks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trust me, I would like to play more varied builds, but from purple ranks and ahead is almost imposible to enjoy a match without gen slowdown perks unless the survis want chases and playing with you for obtaining more BP or for fun simply, which is quite rare.
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Do you really think that killers that complain about SWF only play killer? "Lets not fix a problem because there's another problem"
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I think he was making out tunnelling was a problem and SWF wasn't, so I was comparing the two and saying if tunneling was more of an issue, then you'd see every Killer win "pro" games (lots of them tunnel, and they don't win)
I think they are both an issue, just had a problem with OP making out SWF wasn't an issue worth complaining about.
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I have 2400 hours and red ranks in both. I still never tunnel at 5 gens. If i feel like im going to lose i just go for the 2 people but i never go for the same guy over and over again.
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Now it's easy for you to say after you claim" I actually do that on 3 gens". say that in the original comment. and trust me, every player in this game will shame a killer that tunnels at 5 gens.
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It still doesn't make swf with comms balanced. The thing killers complaining about swf is comms and the free information they get. Solo can be stressful yes but I disagree that even if you're a great looper you can't do anything. If you're a great looper you should be able to waste enough time so your team mates can finish gens. If you're struggling in solo red ranks then sorry but you're not suppose to be that rank.
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You see, there's a thing that happens in red ranks.. when you actually go against a killer that knows what he's doing and not a boosted potato.. that he doesn't commit to you for much when he sees you can waste his time.. and then when he changes target, that's where the solo q hell starts.
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