Sorry, but I need to tunnel and proxy camp
I tried to play nice and "survivor friendly"... But it just doesn't work. I can't afford 4 people to sit on gens. Survivors are not playing "killer friendly", they are just pushing gens without even healing. Especially these SWFs are completely destroying me.
Maybe it is also because I play weaker killers like Trickster. Sometimes it takes a lot of time until I manage to down a competent survivor. And if they run to the shack, I am usually just forced to give up the chase, because the gens will be flying.
Anyway... I just start to hate this game.
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I don’t even see why it’s shunned or people feel the need to apologize for it.
If the survivors want to get all the gens done in 5 minutes, then the killer can get the kills done in 2 minutes.
It’s funny because my friend, who doesn’t even play this game, doesn’t understand it either. I was showing him some of the salt on my steam page and this is the conversation…
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If you want to win and are not playing the Top Tier Killers, you will have to tunnel, slug, camp or proxy camp. There is no way around it. People will whine, cry, throw insults and death threats. Ignore it all. Getting someone out of the match asap is the best way to apply pressure. You owe your opponents nothing. As long as you're not cheating, hacking or rule breaking, you have nothing to worry about. Everyone that complains about their opponents play style are just babies who are mad they didn't get their way.
I recommend you play for your fun and if you find killer no longer fun, switch to survivor. If both cause you stress, then simply find a different game.
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This constant drive for "optimal" play at the cost of another player's ability to even play the game is going to be the death of DbD.
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This is an issue with the ranking system, there are too many killers at red ranks.
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Idk man when you're at 5 gens and you feel the need to do this Insidious
And then proceed to continue to chase after one survivor despite three others willingly placing themselves in front of a Leatherface's saw and you don't use it on them because this one survivor- who didn't tbag, click, or do anything except go down within 45 seconds- for some reason has to die, to the point where you slug them for 3 and a half minutes to ""avoid DS"" while nodding the whole time, and literally allow other survivors to do gens in your face so long as they're not healing your precious slug...
Doesn't seem like you're in the mood to win, moreso in the mood to ruin someone's session.
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The problem is that is ok for one side to play optimal its just doing objectives but if the other side does it its toxic
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correct me if im wrong but do we not get "toxic genrushing SWF" and "toxic tunneling killers" at least 7 times a day on these forums?
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You don't need to apologize for playing the game bro. It's incredibly Survivor sided, they're spoiled rotten and what happens when you do that? They get super entitled. Playing Survivor is easy. Playing Killer is not and it's tremendously stressful. You do what YOU do as a Killer to Survive.
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The nature of dbd gameplay is the killer is trying to remove survivors from the game.
People have been complaining about tunneling and camping forever and the game still hasn't died. It's not going to die from people trying to win and upsetting their opponent.
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The thing is, there are an awful lot of survivors who will call you a tunneller, even if you hook 1 or even 2 survivors before you hook them again. Or they'll call you a camper if you hook them, and then a teammate loops you right around the hook, giving you no reason to leave.
There's a huge difference between the behaviour you are referring to (Insidious camping or hyper tunnel Bubba), and proxy camping the area of a hook, or going after a survivor again because you have lost 2 gens in 1 minute on Ormond, and their teammate is vastly superior at looping. Both of which however will usually result in getting the same amount of abuse in the post-game chat lol
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I'm so tired of this mentality. It's not X-sided. It's simply not. And even if it was, why in the fresh blue hell can I only rely on myself and the perks I bring to survive?
Have you ever played solo survivor? I literally cannot expect my teammates to save me from the hook WITH Kindred.
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Killer is allowed to do whatever is needed to win. Because unlike Survivor, Killer is actually stressful and difficult. Unless the Survivors are actual garbage, Killers like Myers aren’t getting all 3 hooks on 4 Survivors. It simply is not happening.
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Thats my point all gen rushing is are survivors completely objective asap which is not really fun for a killer and all tunneling is a killer completing an objective asap both are toxic by the others standards
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What mentality? It's a fact. It is Survivor sided, it very much is. Well..that's the kinda the point don't ya think? You're a Survivor in a horror game against a Killer? What exactly are you expecting here?
Yes, I am a solo Survivor main. Meaning I have only played as a Solo Survivor since I started playing Survivor. I've unlocked every teachable perk for every Survivor starting from level 1 each time, DLC included and here recently I even unlocked every Adept Survivor achievement in two days as a Solo to further prove that Survivor is easy.
Have you ever played Killer? Are you trying to downplay the sheer amount of stress a Killer has to endure by comparing it to a minor issue such as potato teammates?
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Among Us: Ending a crewmate's game right then and there is literally the only way they can kill anyone at all. Additionally, dead players can still do things such as complete tasks, or as an impostor, sabotage. They're not relegated to just sitting there and watching, unlike DbD, where you're forced to just wait it out for 2 minutes to allow your teammates to stand a chance at doing their objective. Also, if I recall, Among Us also was complained about with how being the first to die is miserable.
Apex Legends: How is this even comparable? Apex is not asymmetrical. Every player in a match can be picked off at any time, and they themselves have the ability to do so as well, with any weapon. Imagine in Apex that you're downed, and you have to stay still and watch, without being able to ping the enemies' location to your teammates. And that for 2 minutes.
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Play how you like but don't complain about survivors doing gens if you make no attempt to stop them.
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I play both, leaning more towards Killer. I have no aspirations to become the best killer there ever was, and am under no delusion that I'm highly skilled. Yet I absolutely refuse to facecamp and tunnel. And I do fine. I don't win every match, but I don't want or need to. The worst I do is slug.
If playing killer is that stressful, you're really going into it with the wrong mentality. I don't suffer from stress at all. I recognise when my opponents are simply better than me, and leave it at that. If they use broken perks/loops/add-ons, then that's why.
Regarding the whole "sided" thing... Some aspects are sided towards one side, because they have to be. The game as a whole is not. If it was, then why do we have other players the opposite of what you're claiming?
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I'm tired as well. It's like we all play only one side, where most of us play both. And even if we play only one, it's a PVP game. People play to win against other people.
I don't know. I feel too old sometimes for the forums.
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I'm fine with these killer tactics, but if we're at 5 generators, do you really need to tunnel / camp? By no means am I saying you can't do it, but it's frowned upon if you do it when it's not necessary at all, especially in situations where you're not even close to losing the game.
It's just frustrating when one of my teammates DC, then the killer acts like we're going to get 5 generators done in 4 minutes and needs to wet the floor with their pool of sweat. I don't care if I still get sacrificed, but can I at least play the game before you get your 4K?
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Because one side only affects the other's winrate, while the other causes the entire game's concept to fall apart.
Doing gens and camping are not comparable.
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Then do it.
Have fun.
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I was talking about gen rush and tunneling they are both doing objectives effectively. Camping is a dumb tactic and will lose you the game unless survivors feed the camper
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It depends. Trust me, smart killers are going to camp if they want to win. That doesn't necessarily mean face camping the first survivor you have. But there are times where if you are trying to play optimally, it is the only play. And I am not just talking about end game either.
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That’s definitely not true. I win the overwhelming majority of my killer games at red ranks using this basic strategy:
- Get an early hook before corrupt is over
- Secure the nearest 3 gen to the hook, or it’s already secure depending on where Corrupt still is
- Camp/Tunnel the first survivor to death
- Snowball in the 3v1, through slugging, if too many gens got done during #3
I literally camp and tunnel every game of DBD I play, and I will stop doing it when it stops working
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It takes you 2 minutes to camp a survivor to death thats plenty of time for them to finish gens and get out. At worst they need to open the exit gate and with 3 survivors its not to hard.
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And what do you do when that survivor you tunnel ends up running you for the entire game. Because anytime I try tunneling they just pre-drop every pallet and all the gens fly by.
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Depends on what you consider camping most the time I hook some on i can see scratch marks nearby and look and normally find the survivor and then the rest of the team wants to show up and alot of people call that proxy camping when I'm just not going to give a free unhook
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Yup I've been here where I need to eliminate someone and they almost instantly unhooked but the one off the hook was good and I had to abandon it or lose the game for maybe 1k
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Well I have a lot of hours so that doesn’t really happen often. On killers I am less confident with I stack up some chase perks and that’s all I need. On all but the strongest killers I usually have at least 1-2 chase perks on.
If the survivor is really good and goes to an area that’s very strong, I leave the chase. I know all the tiles so I can tell when I should not be in a certain area if I can avoid it.
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I play by a two gen rule. If there is only 2 gens left i have to eliminate someone because 3 survivor with only one gen is a sweat fest
I mean 3 survivors on gens
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They keep buffing them as well and whats with double pallets
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I mean most of the time they are half state before corrupt intervention is over. The gens are not even available to be done when I’m typically in a position to be killing someone off if the early game goes well.
I will gladly trade 3 gens for 1 kill every game, because pop goes the weasel carries super hard in a 3v1 3 gen situation.
I run moris all the time still, so if someone is camped to half I can finish them off quickly. I hit BT as they come off the hook so if they try to locker DS me they run out of mend inside the locker and fall out into being mori’d.
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No one can blame you. There are also killer mains doing hard camp or tunnel with top tier killers too.
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How long does it normally take you to find and down a survivor from the beginning?
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Sorry, but I do take issue with this.
First of all, in your argument involving your friend, you fail to mention to your friend that the other player literally has no agency once they've been chosen. They will die, and there's nothing they can do. Yet they have to wait at least 2 minutes for them to actually kick the bucket if they want to give their teammates a remote chance, which they often don't. They either do the fair equivalent of a DC, or they literally cannot play the game.
Have you ever been the victim of this? Only when you're a very skilled survivor can you actually extend the 2 minutes by any meaningful amount. The vast majority of survivors is not that, leading to them having a miserable experience, after which they're sent straight back to the queue, with a meager amount of BP. And for what? Because they got unlucky. They were the 1/4 that had to be denied the entire match because of your desire to win said game.
I know empathy for your opposition cannot be asked for, and I am guaranteeing you don't give a flying ######### about any of this. But holy mother of Moses, is wanting a healthy environment for all players so much to ask?
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Probably about ~30-40 seconds depending on the killer and build. I consider a bad early game 60+ seconds and a terrible early game 80+ seconds
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Okay, but as you mentioned previously, you do not need to wait 2 minutes. So the argument that you need to wait 2 minutes is entirely redundant? If they were forced to wait it out, then sure.
But most games once you are dead, you are dead. And heck, survivors will farm you well before you need to wait 2 minutes regardless. The only time they don't is if they are using you as bait to gen rush. But since we are talking about killer problems, it is more likely they got unhooked unsafely only to get put right back on the meathook immediately. Rofl.
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It’s not really my problem though is it? It’s a PvP game, they can play better.
The only logical reason I have to not tunnel survivors is because they are making the chase too costly. If they are going down really fast too bad, get better at hiding or get better at looping.
You don’t see people on the CS:GO forums complaining they are getting wrecked and have to wait to respawn all the time
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I find 30-40 a little quick most the time given they normally get it can take the killer anywhere from 10-20 seconds to catch up depending on where they are. 60-80 is more responsible because the time it take to find the first survivor( assuming your not running lethal)
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If you play a ton you will learn the spawn locations. Only a handful of maps have pretty random spawns.
And I do frequently use lethal pursuer or discordance; both of which can have you in your first chase in 10-20 seconds of the match starting.
60-80 seconds you will probably be in a really rough position if the survivors are slamming the gens. By then camping the hook isn’t really viable anymore and you will need to get people off the gens.
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There's also some levels like the swap where it can't be help because they are huge.
I don't have all the killers or perks let alone thousands of hours so I can only do what I know pretty much.
As for camping like I said its a dumb strategy unless the survivors feed into it thats killing them selfs on hook. And if you camp me you going to have to put a tent up and chill because well be there for 2 minutes.
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Id watch some of this guy if you have the time. He went on an 800+ win streak hard camping and tunneling every game and watching him for a while took my killer win rate to the next level.
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If you think that survivor isn't stressful or difficult, you obviously haven't played solo queue
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I try to play fairly until 3 gens are done leaving me with 2 left. If all 4 survivors are still alive at least one of them has to be taken out of the game, even if they are completed in the first 2 minutes. I won't do it at 5 gens unless a survivor is taunting me, letting me know by their actions, such as body blocking, that they have borrowed time. If they want to be hooked, or at least have ds wasted, I am happy to wait it out and oblige.
As survivor I hate killers that camp, tunnel and/or slug when there are 4 or 5 gens left. Leaving with less than 10k bp makes the match feel like a waste of my time with it only being 2 or 3 things bought on the bloodweb. Yes, if the killer knows someone's there or being looped around the hook then that's completely different but if they have bbq and see 3 others on gens then camping seems meaningless.
Now the raise in hook bombings, especially without bt, causing early tunnelling deaths or 2 slugs, is another matter entirely which I also disagree with as survivor but would be a fool not to take that opportunity as killer.
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The trickster is VERY powerful, I don't know what you mean by 'WEAK'. What you need to do is spam knives at them while their at pallets or vaults so you can get them down quickly and then mind-game them into dropping pallets or forcing them off pallets. It works almost every time, you just gotta get up close instead of the long-range cause that usually never works. Like a better huntress.
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I see you're taking my "death of DbD" thing a bit too seriously. That was an exaggeration on my end. I meant it more akin to "ruin it for me". Regardless, the same arguments apply.
Being voted out for no reason at all is kinda bs, though wholly caused by the game's reliance on (bluffing) eye-witnesses followed by sheep mentality. Those are entirely different reasons than why DbD sees so many campers. In AU, the other power to put a stop to it, yet they simply don't, either because they don't care, they think it's funny, or they've joined a bandwagon. Imagine if one survivor can say "kill that one", and have their aura revealed for the entire match.
As for your argument in Apex, I don't really see what we're disagreeing on there. It's shite, but at least in Apex, you (largely) have the exact same tools at your disposal. That means that you just as easily could have done it to them, provided you are skilled enough and if you were in their literal position. There's no equivalent of that in DbD.
And that right there is the root of the problem. You, and so many others, simply cannot be made to care about the other players' experience. And that's not something I can possibly hope to change. Nor can I actually blame you for it.
But I have to once again ask if you've been the victim of this. Even beyond the logical aspect of it, it just sucks to be on the receiving end, that much you have to agree on? Hell, there are players out there who do it for that sheer aspect. I don't think you are that kind of player, but even so.
"Get better at hiding or get better at looping". So you're just saying "git gud"? If the killer's competent, and persistent, the survivor will get found, and they will go down. Skill will only delay the inevitable. Once they're on the hook, only their perks can save them. Teammates? Not in solo que, I'm sure you're aware of that.
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You are right. They are my opponents in a video game. I don’t care if they have fun or not, because it’s a zero sum game. I don’t see how this is suddenly different from every other PvP game ever.
“Oh no, I’m owning too hard in call of duty and feel bad for using killstreaks” - nobody ever
If I want to play a coop game I will play a coop game
And yes I have been on the receiving end plenty of times, and sometimes I die and other times I will run them the whole game.
As a general rule of thumb you never really want to be the first person or the last person chased. The first person can get tunneled and the last person gets facecamped after the gates are open
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This so much! I don't care if the killer has to tunnel/camp in order to get a kill, but doing it at 5 gens left? That sucks and I can see why it's frowned upon.
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If you go into every single game and no matter what, above all else you tunnel one person, then you are a bad killer. You'll never learn to improve, you'll never learn to get better, you'll just always be bad. Now, maybe you just ranked up really quick and these survivors are just better than you and you can't manage them. Okay, fair enough. I hope MMR helps you, but if you do that badly enough you'll naturally derank as well.
There's nothing wrong with doing this when you know you really need to, but if you do it regardless of the skill, the amount of gens you have, or how much progress is in them, or whatever else, then again, you're not a very good player. I'm not going to pretend like survivors don't overract or act entitled, or play how they want, but let's not pretend that just because survivors are playing well that means they're terrible people sweating their balls off.
Sometimes you are going to lose, that's the nature of any game. I mean if guarantee you if you tunneled me all game I'd loop you for 5 gens, because no killer worth their weight will throw the game to chase me. But I suppose there's a lot of bad survivors that make this strategy work all too well.
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Uhh, a 2k ends the streak. He considers that a tie, which is not a win. That was 800+ 3-4ks in a row.
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