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Camping for 4 years
Yes I'm new to the game so be it. Going to vent so feel free to leave if you're one of these campers and believe you're a tactical player.
I just played ~8 games in a row where the killer either hard camped a player or hovered near them to prevent safe unhooks. 9 times out of 10 this causes the player involved to get to 2nd phase without a chance to play the rest of the game. This is just in the early parts of the game, where maybe 1 or 2 gens are fixed. Sometimes no generators have been touched and the killer gets a lucky spawn. Then decides they will camp the body to win the game for free. Yes, for free.
4 years this game has been around. I know it's a dying game but we can see the obvious reason. If you won't balance the game for players and killers alike then people will quit playing. I'm frustrated so my point of view is biased, but not so much that I can't see how incredibly beneficial it is for the killer to simply pick a player and chase them for the whole game. Or camp them on hooks.
Especially when this could be easily resolved... and force the killer to have 60% slower actions within a radius around the hooked player. Slower movement speed is included in that debuff. Slower time to check lockers, slower time to vault, slower time to break pallets... everything should be slower.
Why is it so simple to force the killer away from the hook but yet camping is seen as a viable strategy? I guess if I get camped that means I can do the same when I play killer... but I'm telling you, that makes the game incredibly boring. No one else likes the camper and it just feeds a negative mentality, which of course eats itself and builds a very negative community around it.
I don't even care if there's not a single person here who is against camping. It is bad for the game. Don't leave it up to the community to correct this problem. 4 years in the making and this could have been fixed 3 years ago now. Such ignorance should not go to waste.
But the game is dead, so people are glad to see it waste away. Very disappointing.
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Kekw
Learn the game before claiming to know how to fix it
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Camping, like gens is core to this game because it involves hooks. pyramid head is in my opinion mostly the solution to camping because he does not even know where survivors are caged and could be used to change the game. But unfortunately hooks like gens are so fundamental any change made would massively impact the game.
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Wrong. If you play him some you will know exactly where the cages spawn. They always spawn the furthest away from where you cage a survivor. It's no rocket science to find the cage if you really want to.
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I am aware of what his cages do I also know that if you get too close to the cage they will eventually teleport away but in my opinion his cages could be the stepping stone to adjusting camping or hooks in general.
I also need to clarify something as well, I actually do not mind camping, personally I try not to but I understand it is a strategy that can work and often times does. I simply wanted to provide a possible solution to it is all.
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A slow down around a hooked survivor could easily be abused by other survivors.
I think Perks like BBQ that incentive starting a new chase are a better idea.
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New players will always suffer from Camping situations because they don’t have DS or BT to help alleviate some of the aggro you get from it.
They either have to purchase Laurie level her up or level up Bill. Which seems really wrong IMO.
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Camping is easy to counter and the game is not dying i think
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The overwhelming majority of killers camp and tunnel. It's easy and requires no skill. Most survivors don't know how to counter it and are unwilling to try, because it's easy to let your teammate die and requires experience and the right perks to make the save. The devs will never do anything about it because it's a choice killers make every time. I ALWAYS run Borrowed Time now since the devs destroyed DS. If it's a killer like Bubba, BT probably won't make a difference. Let them get their one kill, and three people should do gens and get an easy escape. If it's a killer who can't insta-down you, then you have to either run BT to give them a chance and take hits if you can. You could also try to trade, but most killers just slug you so they can tunnel, and then they'll come back to you because chances are you teammates didn't pick you up. Solo queue is very hard because of this. You're working against the killer and relying on your teammates to actually help you, which most are unwilling to do.
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Learn the game, camping isn't against the rules and camping a gen to get a good 3 Gen is useful, sometimes camping a survivor when they're about to fit stage 2 can secure you an early kill if you catch them again.
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Camping is usually a tactic used by baby killers and any who aren't really very good. Best counter usually is to just do the gens and get out while they get hardly any bloodpoints and one kill though it ruins the match for the person being camped.
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And the ones who defend it saying 'oh it's a tactic' you just know are the baby killers who hook camp.
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I'd actually be up for an extended slow down. Make it so it takes so long to get one that survivors can easily do all 5 gens gates and still have time to spare.
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Campers are usually their own worst enemy, and the biggest ally to a camping killer is an overly altruistic survivor.
There are already more than enough incentives to not camp. Killers that play well, don't camp, because they know camping is not as effective. So what you're dealing with is newbie low rank killers who haven't learnt any better yet, which unfortunately is what newbie low rank survivors will most often be paired with.
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That part is not a bad idea for punishing killers that camp. To counter it they would probably just face camp.
The problem would be decent survivors would know about this, and stay around a hooked survivor knowing the killer can’t do anything about it.
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I love when hook camping baby killers out themselves.
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Survivors could easily abused that and survivors will for sure is a tactic
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lol I'm a killer main and campers I can easily outmatch. Also can 4k without camping thanks. I'm sorry you're so bad at this game you have to camp. Try learning to get gud.
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Camping is a tactic used by killers who are just really bad. If you have to camp that says a lot. Like you really have no idea how to play the game so you just sit on one spot on the first hook. Wow that's soooo much fun. Also you lose blood points and usually only get one kill at most that way. Again learning to play the game would be a better idea. Just saying.
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I stopped reading when he said "I know its a dying game" 😂😂
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The developers are balancing the game for both Killers and Survivors and have done a pretty good job on an asymmetrical game.
However, I do believe that face-camping, proxy-camping/tunneling are extremely unfair and unfun for 4/5's of the player base. Why a mechanic that literally stops a player from playing the game has not been addressed by the developers is pure laziness. This mechanic needs to be addressed by the developers before anything else is looked at.
Adding perks is not a fix, as shown by Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time, since it wastes a perk slot, that solo survivors really don't have, on the off chance you get a toxic Killer. Plus, those perks do nothing against a tunneler/camper, they just ignore it and go after the exact same player right after because they are rewarded for doing so. The reward for camping/tunneling needs to be removed.
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Knowing when to tunnel/camp/slug is a tactic. 1-2 gens left, your behind so you eliminate one real quick to make up time and remove someone that can work gens, get two people hooked near each other with gens near by, your behind and just downed someone and look another survivor so leave that one on ground and chase the other which only leaves one on a gen (1 down, one being chased, one needs to rescue) are all viable reasons for these tactics. These tactics used right from the start.....Yes baby killers I agree.
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Drop by my stream later babe, I'll show you some real killer main gameplay
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It's always the bad players lol I just can tell each time when killer is going to have noed or camp and tunell I just sense it by their gameplay if killer is doing terrible I immediately go in totem search and never been wrong so far also camping after I ran them for 2 gens because they lost pressure well it's not my fault you chosed to chase me half of game so basically at the end of the day if u play good they will camp you and be salty about it if u play bad they will camp you again to kick u out fast for their pressure
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I'm new to the game
Unfortunately low rank killers tend to camp a lot, but that's because they don't know better. The truth is that camping is easily punishable by survivors, but they need some experience to do so. Try to get to higher ranks and you'll see that the few killers who camp get gen rushed to hell.
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It's been 5 years
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Welcome to DBD ^^
If you are new you are most likely playing with other new players.
Killer isn't an intuitive roll. It takes a lot of matches and trial and error to figure out how to really play the roll. For a lot of new players that means they rely on camping and tunneling when they are learning because that seems like the best way to play.
As you level up as killer and go against more experienced survivors you learn quickly that camping the first hook or tunneling that first survivor is not always a good strategy, and in fact hurts your chance of excelling in the match.
Keep playing and practicing and you will see less and less campers (at least that was the case for me) ^^
As for the game life I think DBD has many years to come. As much as people like to rant and rave the devs are doing their best to keep DBD fun, balanced, and current. Right now there are some optimization issues but the mods here have said many times they are working on a fix.
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Also the slow down idea is a horrible one
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A dying game? June had the highest player count ever on Steamcharts, but ok…
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Game isn't close to dying but go off hahaha
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Nobody is entitled to a free second chance. Teammates are the only ones that can provide this outside of perks.
Treat the killer as someone intent on bringing your immediate doom and put more effort into avoiding the first interaction or escaping chase if a camping outcome bothers you.
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I hope you read this, because it’s extremely true. I’ve been on this forum for years now, and have also been playing dbd for years (obviously). I’ve had multiple accounts because I keep forgetting my log in info lol. But there’s one thing you should know from another players experience with the forums. Survivors. Will. Never. Win. I agree with some of the people that said that you should play a little more before totally deciding your opinions, but it’s the simple fact that your opinions are totally RIGHT, that I am saying this. I’d say this forum is filled with about 80% killer mains and about 20% survivor mains. They find the 1 match that they didn’t get all 4 kills in, after getting 4 kills in every match for the last 2 hours, and complain that killers are weak and survivors are OP. On this forum, you could come up with the best ideas and if it’s not favoring killers then I guarantee that you will get attacked way more than praised. You could say that bubba (who can literally do his chainsaw from halfway across the map and still catch up to you and down all 4 of the survivors in one motion, needs to be nerfed and for some reason the devs decided it was a good idea to make him be able to move soo much faster than you while using his chainsaw while also being able to use it for a very long time, a good idea.) you could get destroyed by nurse every time you play against her because most of the time there’s nothing you can do to stop her and the killers will always, always, always, say “good survivors can loop (killer name), they aren’t OP at all. Learn to loop better. Get good” acting like every single survivor has to be a god at the game in order to see the killers potential, like they didn’t just go hours without destroying survivors every game with ease lmao. Trust me, you’ll never win an argument going against killers on this game. And I believe that’s why this game is so unbalanced. Because most of the time, killers mains are the ones playing solo and after having a bad match, they come to try to find other people who have had the same experience and ask the devs to change it. Where as survivors who almost of the time have friends they play with, just get annoyed after having a bad match and complain about it to their friend(s) and their friends agree and they go on to the next match or they play a different game, so they never take their frustrations out on this forum. So the devs don’t see all the complaints, and they think killers are the ones who are actually weaker because most of the time they see those complaints, so they listen, and then the game becomes even more unbalanced. All my friends agree that killers are broken yet none of them have ever made an account on this forum. Trust me, go play killer and once you learn it even in the slightest, you’ll be getting 4 kills every game. Don’t listen to these fools on the forum, they will never agree. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stopped going on this forum entirely. Even the devs have stated that the kill rate of killers is too high yet killers don’t seem to care
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Made it to rank 15 on survivor and nothing has changed... I don't see how a survivor could possibly enjoy this aspect of the game. For anyone to be hooked so early on and tunneled until they are dead. I've seen killers deliberately wait at the hook after someone is rescued just to down the person again if it means they reach 2nd phase or die. When there are still 3-4 gens to do. Again sometimes very early camping at 5 gens.
So am I just delusional and everyone else is having a better survivor experience? People are saying it gets better or I should just learn how to play... I'm not understanding how that affects or changes the camping experience for anyone.
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Is the game dying, tho? I'd like to see the source of those numbers to see how it's "dying", because afaik there's been a lot of many newcomers and old players getting back after the last events / new chapters / ST sales / PTB, etc.
As some players have said already, some things like the slowdown actions have been tested but didn't work because of exploits. It sucks, but as long as there are opportunists out there trying to exploit mechanics, nothing of that sort can be implemented.
Tunneling and camping are part of the experience, also. It doesn't matter what rank you are. You will see these tactics from rank 20s to rank 1s, the main difference is that the more experience your teammates have, the better chances the team gets a better outcome of the situation. Lower ranks will probably stand around the hook trying to save the player being camped, while purple/red ranks should already know to sit on gens and look for totems.
There is no easy way out of that really. The only advice one can give is to try and not be the first caught, try to stay near good loops, or run some exhaustion perks that will give you enough distance in a chase that the killers decide to not even bother going against you and tries for someone else.
You can also get an idea of how the match is going to go after a couple of minutes. Too many gens popping and still no hooks? Probably NOED, CLEANSE TOTEMS. Do you see you can chase the killer for 2/3 gens straight without being downed? Well, at this point he'll probably camp to secure at least one kill. Did you do anything "toxic" (clicky clicky, t-bagging, etc)? Again, probably a couple of hits on the hook while being camped, etc
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Saying this is a dying game is nonsense. Data disputes your claim. If anything, it's grown slowly
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For the record, I just got one-hooked to 2nd stage, then moried.
I'm not sitting here crying about it. I've moved on with my life because I've accepted that really bad games just sometimes happen. You move on to the next trial or play something else.
People need to stop acting like getting pwned is somehow a bad thing. It just happens. Like death and taxes - we all get pwned. Deal with it.
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If they ever nerfed camping to that extent, you do not even want to know what kind of buffs they would need to compensate for it. Base kit devour, probably. Lol.
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You lost me at 'Yes I'm new to the game so be it'
You're at baby ranks and you know nothing yet bud, wise up lol
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Interesting, i guess the RE DLC was bigger than i thought
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You don't get to play 8 games and decide you know more than the veterans. Facecamping is toxic. Standard camping is strategy. This game isn't balanced around hooking everyone 3 times
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It doesn't take a century to see how the game works and why it's terrible for a game to work that way. I just hit rank 10 and again played 3 games in a row where the killer felt inclined to camp near the hooks to make it as beneficial as possible for themselves to win. You're telling me that you, as a survivor, not only play against these people but also enjoy it? Well I don't, and I imagine there are plenty of other people out there who feel the same way. As someone else said, they don't voice their opinions here because they get shut down "because that's just how the game works"
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Ofc it's not fun, but killers get slaughtered if they dont do it. Ofc they got shut down for complaining about it, because thats not a solution. Its not fun to do or to have done against you, but BHVR doesnt care to balance the game
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