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Premade playing

I guess that question was opened many times, but i just wonder, why devs cant make MM for solo and for party? What sense in playing vs discord premade? Its a legit WallHack, which makes game senseless and almost impossible to win. I dont rly understand why not add comms to the game then? why toxic premades should have ultra advantage over solo players?

Ur opinion?

Comments

  • Junylar
    Junylar Member Posts: 2,005

    SWFs are the main source of profit to BHVR, so they told long time ago they will not do anything like this. "The killer's role is to suffer and fear, so there is nothing wrong with it".

  • H1GHLVND3R
    H1GHLVND3R Member Posts: 138

    Why not make killers harder vs premades then? idk. Its complete unbalance

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,414
  • Junylar
    Junylar Member Posts: 2,005

    Because it would require separating soloQ from SWF queue, and, as I said before, the devs will never do this. Yes, it's completely unbalanced and the difference between solo survivors and SWF makes it logically impossible to balance survivor and killer roles in general. There is nothing you can do. The most you can do is to never play nice against SWF and always hard tunnel the first down, so that you can have the slightest chance to win or draw.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,821

    We've been asking for baseline solo buffs for years now, but the devs really don't seem to care if the most recent small game change is anything to go by.

    Unfortunately, I don't think adding comms in-game is the way to go about this. For a start, you've seen the endgame chats in this game; imagine them screaming that down the mic at you. I don't wanna hear every game about how someone screwed my mum, another say I'm a useless [slur of choice here], with the last person blasting bass-boosted Hardbass down their awful Xbox headset thinking they're funny.

    For another, language barriers exist. I can speak English, and while not fluent I'm competent enough at German to be able to play DBD speaking in it (I've tried before and it was a bloody challenge, but I made it). But I can't speak French, or Spanish, or Polish, or Swedish, etc, and a lot of people will speak their native language even when it's clear people can't understand them.

    Thirdly, some people don't have a microphone, and some people just don't want to speak. I have a friend- it's been a while since we played together, but we met in a Discord server, and it took about three weeks of playing with me speaking to her before she would willingly talk to me with her voice. The joys of anxiety. Another of my friends suffers badly from it, too, and sometimes has to leave the call because her brain tells her irrationally that the people there are going to find and hurt her. If these people have to leave a call- or mute everyone in-game- then they're no better off than right now.

    Finally, it's just a lazy change which would make a significant amount of perks redundant and has a lot of holes in it.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,821

    It's not that difficult to win vs most SWF, you don't need to hard tunnel the first down. The really good teams where you have to do so to match them are jokingly referred to as the 0.1% for a reason. They are nowhere near common, and are in fact incredibly rare.

    Stop acting like friends talking to each other suddenly makes them the next Oracle.

  • H1GHLVND3R
    H1GHLVND3R Member Posts: 138

    Well, about adding voice, yea i guess that wrong idea :D Seems the only option is just to leave the lobby when u see the premade

  • Junylar
    Junylar Member Posts: 2,005

    Is that why I get matched with those 0.1% every other game in purple ranks? Or are you trying to deny the fact that comms and coordination gives a huge unintended advantage?


    Just get to purple ranks and you will never see a lobby of 4 solo survivors anymore. SoloQ survivors are a rare breed now considering how horrible the soloQ experience is.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,821

    If you think you're being matched with those 0.1% you're definitely the problem, or I'm unironically the best killer player ever, since I win the majority of my games (a win for me meaning 10 or more hooks). At rank 1, consistently, playing during the time when the SWF come out to play because they all get off of work.

    When used correctly, I don't deny that comms provide a major advantage that solos do not have. This is something I have said, and will say again, and will continue to ask for changes to. The first clause of that, however, is incredibly important; the majority of SWFs do not use comms "correctly". Using them correctly includes providing a constant stream of pin-point information to each member. Talking about Olivia Rodrigo plagurising an album cover, for example, is not this.

    So, again, either you aren't as good as you think you are, or I'm substantially better than I think I am (which I'm not), because these 0.1% tournament squads are rare, and called the 0.1 groups for a reason.

  • H1GHLVND3R
    H1GHLVND3R Member Posts: 138

    I getting good partys pretty often, i cant say its 0.1 % . Some of the premades are pretty noob, i wont deny it, but if ur not nurse master or super oni and just want to play some stealth ghostface, u just cant win, even vs bad premade,bcuz all they need to say where u are and thats all :(

  • Axx
    Axx Member Posts: 392

    Because most players playing survivor are average and get killed easily by most decent killers. The devs, and most of the community don't care about the efficient players playing in SWF together causing balance issues. As long as the majority are easily killed and inflate the kill rate of all killers, there is no issue seen.

  • ouroboros_world
    ouroboros_world Member Posts: 215

    I love how these survivors mains think they know everything about balance but can’t give a fair excuse is to why swf is fine without farting random numbers.

    it’s like saying COVID is fine because there’s more healthy people then infected people and we should just ignore it because random numbers.

    but this game is already survivor sided of course they will please the sweaty swf that buy every $30 cosmetics for every survivor lol

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,821

    Literally blink at the Tru3ta1ent YouTube channel and you'll see where I got the phrase "0.1% SWF". No shade intended to Tru3, that's literally where I found that phrase.

    SWF is fine in practice because people don't sweat. When people do start to sweat is when it becomes an issue, but you cannot balance killers to deal with them unless you also buff solos to their level.