BBQ & Chilli, Not as good as everyone says?
Hey all, so I've been having some odd experience with recommendation vs usage of perks. I have asked for a lot of tips and help and generally get very helpful results, and as expected some recommendations don't work but everyone has their own strategy and I understand that. However more often then not I get A LOT of recommendations to use the perk BBQ & Chilli. I recently went for and got the "Adept Cannibal" trophy and obviously to do that I had to use the perk and it was the first time using it considering I don't have any teachable perks yet from the shrine. I was excited to use what I assumed would be an excellent perk.
However, in practice it was close to useless to me. Every time I hooked a survivor I would head straight to the revealed location of the survivor even taking a path that would cut them off when i watch what direction they're moving. By the time i get to the point I should run into the survivors, i do a quick search for anywhere they could be hiding and somehow they manage to get to the hook. I have tried using this perk in a variety of different ways and it has never helped.
Am I using it wrong? Am i suppose to see if someones aura is NOT shown and search the close proximity? Because i did that too. I dunno why so many people gush over this perk, it doesn't seem all that good.
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@Knex4545 said:
Hey all, so I've been having some odd experience with recommendation vs usage of perks. I have asked for a lot of tips and help and generally get very helpful results, and as expected some recommendations don't work but everyone has their own strategy and I understand that. However more often then not I get A LOT of recommendations to use the perk BBQ & Chilli. I recently went for and got the "Adept Cannibal" trophy and obviously to do that I had to use the perk and it was the first time using it considering I don't have any teachable perks yet from the shrine. I was excited to use what I assumed would be an excellent perk.However, in practice it was close to useless to me. Every time I hooked a survivor I would head straight to the revealed location of the survivor even taking a path that would cut them off when i watch what direction they're moving. By the time i get to the point I should run into the survivors, i do a quick search for anywhere they could be hiding and somehow they manage to get to the hook. I have tried using this perk in a variety of different ways and it has never helped.
Am I using it wrong? Am i suppose to see if someones aura is NOT shown and search the close proximity? Because i did that too. I dunno why so many people gush over this perk, it doesn't seem all that good.
BBQ and chili is a great perk for a different reason. yes the aura reveal isn't always useful but if no auras appear thats an excuse to stay at the hook at least it gives you some sense of location but the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
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@friendlykillermain said:
the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
So its mainly a BP grinding perk?
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@Knex4545 said:
@friendlykillermain said:
the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
So its mainly a BP grinding perk?
yes its still a great perk because it lets you know if your hook is about to be rushed and you should stick round but other than that who doesn't like bloodpoints. if you really dont feel its great then replace it with something that help you against your weak points. say you cant stand flash lights Lightborn then. say you consantly get palletted Enduring. Decisive strike messing you up then uh...
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BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.
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@friendlykillermain said:
@Knex4545 said:
@friendlykillermain said:
the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
So its mainly a BP grinding perk?
yes its still a great perk because it lets you know if your hook is about to be rushed and you should stick round but other than that who doesn't like bloodpoints. if you really dont feel its great then replace it with something that help you against your weak points. say you cant stand flash lights Lightborn then. say you consantly get palletted Enduring. Decisive strike messing you up then uh...
Gives me the room for deerstalker!
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@deadwolfwalking said:
BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.See I don't understand that. It's not even that good why do they get salty over it?
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@Knex4545 said:
@friendlykillermain said:
@Knex4545 said:
@friendlykillermain said:
the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
So its mainly a BP grinding perk?
yes its still a great perk because it lets you know if your hook is about to be rushed and you should stick round but other than that who doesn't like bloodpoints. if you really dont feel its great then replace it with something that help you against your weak points. say you cant stand flash lights Lightborn then. say you consantly get palletted Enduring. Decisive strike messing you up then uh...
Gives me the room for deerstalker!
great example deer stalker is a greatly underrated perk if you combine it with knockout or a blindness effect you can just let those with decisive strike bleed out with no chance of escape
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@Knex4545 said:
Hey all, so I've been having some odd experience with recommendation vs usage of perks. I have asked for a lot of tips and help and generally get very helpful results, and as expected some recommendations don't work but everyone has their own strategy and I understand that. However more often then not I get A LOT of recommendations to use the perk BBQ & Chilli. I recently went for and got the "Adept Cannibal" trophy and obviously to do that I had to use the perk and it was the first time using it considering I don't have any teachable perks yet from the shrine. I was excited to use what I assumed would be an excellent perk.However, in practice it was close to useless to me. Every time I hooked a survivor I would head straight to the revealed location of the survivor even taking a path that would cut them off when i watch what direction they're moving. By the time i get to the point I should run into the survivors, i do a quick search for anywhere they could be hiding and somehow they manage to get to the hook. I have tried using this perk in a variety of different ways and it has never helped.
Am I using it wrong? Am i suppose to see if someones aura is NOT shown and search the close proximity? Because i did that too. I dunno why so many people gush over this perk, it doesn't seem all that good.
best farming perk in the game, mixed with a long distance scouter, so you can read the survivors power levels, IT'S ALWAYS OVER 9000! Also it's a must have for billy and nurse, they can really capitalize on it.
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@Knex4545 said:
@friendlykillermain said:
the most important detail 100% BLOOD POINT GAINS IN ALL CATEGORIES!!!
So its mainly a BP grinding perk?
Yes. DBD is a massive grind on blood points. If you want to get more value out of bbq then do not go out to the other side of the map go to the closest survivor that show up in range or check gens close by as its likely the players are close by. The greatest advice i can offer playing DBD is after hooking someone intercept the rescuer when you can as it will force additional people off gens.which is incredibly time inefficient for survivors.
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@Knex4545 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.See I don't understand that. It's not even that good why do they get salty over it?
Because survivors get confused by the fact they're called 'survivors'. They think they deserve to live every round and when they don't, they have to blame something besides themselves. It makes losing alot easier to accept.
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BBQ is actually a good perk by itself. The Bloodpoint gain is excellent though it's aura ability has several counters. If you use Knockout with it though, the perk becomes great. Knockout increases the odds that folks will be far enough out of the hook radius for the aura to trigger.
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@Peasant said:
BBQ is actually a good perk by itself. The Bloodpoint gain is excellent though it's aura ability has several counters. If you use Knockout with it though, the perk becomes great. Knockout increases the odds that folks will be far enough out of the hook radius for the aura to trigger.But as i stated by the time i get to their location and check around they've rushed the hook. I feel like the aura thing yes does help but i don't get the hype over it.
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@Knex4545 said:
@Peasant said:
BBQ is actually a good perk by itself. The Bloodpoint gain is excellent though it's aura ability has several counters. If you use Knockout with it though, the perk becomes great. Knockout increases the odds that folks will be far enough out of the hook radius for the aura to trigger.But as i stated by the time i get to their location and check around they've rushed the hook. I feel like the aura thing yes does help but i don't get the hype over it.
The aura (no Knockout) is decent on most killers but there are exceptions.
The Nurse and The Hillbilly get a great bonus as they can get over there quickly.
The Huntress can attempt a snipe shot so she has a "good" bonus.
The Doctor can find people easy once he knows the area so he has a "good" bonus as well.
The Shape can do okay with the aura but your TR might blow your cover depending on perks and EW.
The Hag is very bad as she's a defensive killer who should lurk within trap range, not to mention the slow speed.
Everyone else has a few flaws to make the perk usable, but not "awesome" per se.1 -
I'm willing to bet you'd see a lot less people running BBQ if other perks had BP bonuses or the BP bonus was just a passive trait always activated. BBQ is just too valuable to take off. The grind in this game is insane and we're talking doubling your BPs with every game.
That being said, without the BP bonus it's still a great perk. It gives you so information which is extremely nice. Granted, good survivors can counter it, you can still generally figure out where survivors aren't. It's unreliable at times but yea I'd definitely consider it an A++ perk. Personally, if I could get the BP bonus on other perks, I'd probably use different perks over BBQ, but that's just me.
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Look at it like this: Without BBQ there are up to 7 generators for you to check. With BBQ it's narrowed down to 3.
It's not the be all end all "I SEE EVERYTHING" perk that some people make it out as but it really cuts down on the time it takes to find Survivors.
Also Bloodpoints.1 -
They get salty over it because Billy, Nurse and to an extent Spirit exist so if you do catch sight of one on bbq they can just rush to that survivor and gain momentum... that's why they don't like BBQ even though it was made for survivorsKnex4545 said:@deadwolfwalking said:
BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.See I don't understand that. It's not even that good why do they get salty over it?
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Its the best tracking perk, since it gives you aurareading much more frequently than other perks. And you get the info at the right time, right when you finished one survivor.
I'm playing half the cast with/without BBQ and the difference is very noticable. Playing without BBQ doesnt feel very different, until i play a killer with BBQ. Then i'm surprised every time how much value it gives and how often it wins the game for me.0 -
Combo it with BM and you can see every one everywhere its amazing lolTigerKirby215 said:Look at it like this: Without BBQ there are up to 7 generators for you to check. With BBQ it's narrowed down to 3.
It's not the be all end all "I SEE EVERYTHING" perk that some people make it out as but it really cuts down on the time it takes to find Survivors.
Also Bloodpoints.0 -
@Bravo0413 BM?
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What tier is it at? If you're using it at tier 3, then you're just up against Survivors who are rushing to the hook. A lot of Survivors seem to be closer to than 52 meters to the hook in my experience, so it's harder to spot them with BBQ 1. Survivors could also be trying to fake you out by going in one direction while the aura reading is active and going in the other after it deactivates.
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@SnakeSound222 Its tier 3.
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@Knex4545 said:
Hey all, so I've been having some odd experience with recommendation vs usage of perks. I have asked for a lot of tips and help and generally get very helpful results, and as expected some recommendations don't work but everyone has their own strategy and I understand that. However more often then not I get A LOT of recommendations to use the perk BBQ & Chilli. I recently went for and got the "Adept Cannibal" trophy and obviously to do that I had to use the perk and it was the first time using it considering I don't have any teachable perks yet from the shrine. I was excited to use what I assumed would be an excellent perk.However, in practice it was close to useless to me. Every time I hooked a survivor I would head straight to the revealed location of the survivor even taking a path that would cut them off when i watch what direction they're moving. By the time i get to the point I should run into the survivors, i do a quick search for anywhere they could be hiding and somehow they manage to get to the hook. I have tried using this perk in a variety of different ways and it has never helped.
Am I using it wrong? Am i suppose to see if someones aura is NOT shown and search the close proximity? Because i did that too. I dunno why so many people gush over this perk, it doesn't seem all that good.
BBQ and Chilli is a great perk for both uses, the bloodpoints and the aura reading ability. In my opinion, one of the best ways that BBQ and Chilli helps is whenever there are only 2 remaining survivors. Most of the time, the last survivor would let the last survivor on the hook die and find the hatch (unless its a SWF.) BBQ and Chilli would show you where the last survivor is hiding and you wouldn't always have to have a hatch standoff.
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BBQ and Chilli is useful for many reasons, the bonus BP and the aura reading ability. In my opinion, one of the best situations for BBQ and Chilli is whenever there are only 2 remaining survivors left. Usually the last survivor would wait for the survivor on the hook to die and go and find the hatch (unless it's a SWF group.) BBQ and Chilli would show you the aura of the final person and where they're hiding and you wouldn't have to have a hatch standoff most of the time.
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Aura reading has been nerfed to much. Right now it´s way to easy to counter, so it defeats it´s main purpose: giving the killer a new target.
claps slowlySurvivor mains really did a great job on this one.
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Another great example is if you run BBQ with Nurses Calling. After you hook the survivor you can see the wounded survivor healing or better yet being healed by another survivor and you will know exactly where to go. Once the aura read from BBQ wears off it is only a mater of a few seconds before the aura reading of Nurse kicks in.....unless they are all the way across the map that is.
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Ok, then it’s just Survivors knowing how to counter the perk by either getting close to you or switching directions.Knex4545 said:@SnakeSound222 Its tier 3.
I agree. I don’t think they can understand that BBQ encourages the Killer to do not two things that a lot of Survivors hate: camping and “tunneling”.Tsulan said:Aura reading has been nerfed to much. Right now it´s way to easy to counter, so it defeats it´s main purpose: giving the killer a new target.
claps slowlySurvivor mains really did a great job on this one.
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@Knex4545 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.See I don't understand that. It's not even that good why do they get salty over it?
There's more situational tracking perks besides BBQ for aura reveals. Bitter murmer is strong especially on a killer suited for gen control. Along with Tinkerer.
But nothing beats that BP gainz
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Eh it's good but not that good on some killers. Sometimes by the time you get there they've moved, but they've seen your 8ft tall killer coming from a mile off so they go full stealth too. It works best on someone like Hillbilly who has great speed.
I'd say its better than bitter murmur or rancor for tracking because you choose when it goes off. Bitter murmur might go off when you're already in a chase whereas BBQ will reveal auras at a time when you're free after hooking the last survivor.
Overrall I prefer whispers once you get used to it because it's always on.0 -
Don't use BBQ to rely on finding survivors. It's more useful when you use it to keep tabs on what they are doing and focus on stopping them from doing important stuff like finding your totem, finishing a gen, or grouping up.
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That's the whole purpose of it. Give the killer a reason to not camp and tunnel.SnakeSound222 said:
Ok, then it’s just Survivors knowing how to counter the perk by either getting close to you or switching directions.Knex4545 said:@SnakeSound222 Its tier 3.
I agree. I don’t think they can understand that BBQ encourages the Killer to do not two things that a lot of Survivors hate: camping and “tunneling”.Tsulan said:Aura reading has been nerfed to much. Right now it´s way to easy to counter, so it defeats it´s main purpose: giving the killer a new target.
claps slowlySurvivor mains really did a great job on this one.
But survivors complained that they don't want to be punished for the mistakes of others. So the devs nerfed the aura reading.
Right now it's a joke. Half of the time I won't even see a survivor with it.
Devs should remove the aura reading blockers for it. Just keep it at minimum distance.
If survivors don't like that, then they can equip sole survivor.
I mean why have survivors free choice on what to equip, but killers are forced to equip so many perks that counter survivor gameplay which don't require perks?0 -
Depends on the killer and goa!s. When leveling, I almost always take it.
I love it for leather face. It shows me when to camp and when to bust @$$ across the map.1 -
It's good it's hard to use properly. For me I'm so focused getting them on the and getting backing into the action I forget I have I BBQ and Chili. I've been using Bitter Murmur for to long.0
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@Knex4545 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
BBQ is a decent perk but it attracts more salt than anything. No matter how well you play, you'll be hardpressed to get a 'gg' or anything positive. Its considered a crutch perk even though most killers run it for the BP gain. I don't care much about BP so i took it out of my loadout.See I don't understand that. It's not even that good why do they get salty over it?
Because survivor player call it "wallhack" and thing they should be able to hide all game.
Since they do not want to adept their playstyle, they claim aura reads make stealth "impossible".
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BBQ is mostly for the BP, but if you are on nurse or hillbilly (mostly nurse) you can capitalize the most on your new home and info. High map pressure killers love it as you can be always chasing someone. (Btw, the hag actually can use it's aura reading very well if you run a mint rag and spread your traps out more. Highly recommend you try it out.0
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Its a good perk for grinding, but can hinder skill growth. Use it for the bp but don't get reliant on the aura reading. If survivors notice you have it things get more difficult.0
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BBQ does 4 major things for a killer:
1) Gives 100% bonus bloodpoints at the end of the game if you've hooked each survivor at least once whether you've camped or not.
2) Tells the killer when to camp and when not to camp.
3) Shows the killer where on the map to look for other survivors (increased killer efficiency — also shows which survivors are injured and easier to go after).
3.5) Forces survivors to move off of objectives or waste time trying to counter the perk once they think you have it.
4) Starts chases even before survivors know the chase has begun (especially on high mobility killers).In summary, once the killer is already doing well, it elevates killer efficiency while decreasing survivor efficiency to an extreme. It's a perk that helps killers steamroll when they are already steamrolling rather than helping bad killers do a little bit better.
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@Tsulan said:
That's the whole purpose of it. Give the killer a reason to not camp and tunnel.But survivors complained that they don't want to be punished for the mistakes of others. So the devs nerfed the aura reading.
Right now it's a joke. Half of the time I won't even see a survivor with it.
Devs should remove the aura reading blockers for it. Just keep it at minimum distance.
If survivors don't like that, then they can equip sole survivor.I mean, why should survivors have free choice on what to equip while killers are forced to equip so many perks to counter survivor gameplay that doesn't require perks?
Sole Survivor doesn't counter BBQ...
And BBQ doesn't incentivize not tunneling...
And BBQ helps killers camp more efficiently...
And it's still one of the top killer perks in the game.What are you going on about?
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Kind_Lemon said:
@Tsulan said:
That's the whole purpose of it. Give the killer a reason to not camp and tunnel.But survivors complained that they don't want to be punished for the mistakes of others. So the devs nerfed the aura reading.
Right now it's a joke. Half of the time I won't even see a survivor with it.
Devs should remove the aura reading blockers for it. Just keep it at minimum distance.
If survivors don't like that, then they can equip sole survivor.I mean, why should survivors have free choice on what to equip while killers are forced to equip so many perks to counter survivor gameplay that doesn't require perks?
Sole Survivor doesn't counter BBQ...
Wrong
And BBQ doesn't incentivize not tunneling...Wrong
And BBQ helps killers camp more efficiently...
Wrong
And it's still one of the top killer perks in the game.Because of the points
What are you going on about?
I could ask you the same
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1- correctKind_Lemon said:BBQ does 4 major things for a killer:
1) Gives 100% bonus bloodpoints at the end of the game if you've hooked each survivor at least once whether you've camped or not.
2) Tells the killer when to camp and when not to camp.
3) Shows the killer where on the map to look for other survivors (increased killer efficiency — also shows which survivors are injured and easier to go after).
3.5) Forces survivors to move off of objectives or waste time trying to counter the perk once they think you have it.
4) Starts chases even before survivors know the chase has begun (especially on high mobility killers).In summary, once the killer is already doing well, it elevates killer efficiency while decreasing survivor efficiency to an extreme. It's a perk that helps killers steamroll when they are already steamrolling rather than helping bad killers do a little bit better.
2- if it reveals no survivors, because the aura reading can be bypassed so easily, the killer has to assume that they are close by. Which is interpreted as camping (you cause it by your own actions)
3- only if they don't hide
3.5- wrong. Survivors doing gens are invisible to the aura reading. They bypass it.
4- chase starts when you hear the music.
Killer only steamrolls if the survivors are doing bad.
Also, he has to complete 12 objectives in the same time survivors have to complete 5 shared objectives. 1 1/4 gen per survivor = 100 seconds of work.0 -
Aura is only 100% useful with nurse and Billy, maybe spirit. You should be after the BP if you are not playing one of the mentioned killers.0
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@thekiller490490 said:
Aura is only 100% useful with nurse and Billy, maybe spirit. You should be after the BP if you are not playing one of the mentioned killers.I used it to get adept Cannibal.
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Honestly it's bout bp gain, whispers isnt bad or tinkerer. Bbq is countered and predictable. Few killers with mobility can capitalize off of it better.Knex4545 said:Hey all, so I've been having some odd experience with recommendation vs usage of perks. I have asked for a lot of tips and help and generally get very helpful results, and as expected some recommendations don't work but everyone has their own strategy and I understand that. However more often then not I get A LOT of recommendations to use the perk BBQ & Chilli. I recently went for and got the "Adept Cannibal" trophy and obviously to do that I had to use the perk and it was the first time using it considering I don't have any teachable perks yet from the shrine. I was excited to use what I assumed would be an excellent perk.
However, in practice it was close to useless to me. Every time I hooked a survivor I would head straight to the revealed location of the survivor even taking a path that would cut them off when i watch what direction they're moving. By the time i get to the point I should run into the survivors, i do a quick search for anywhere they could be hiding and somehow they manage to get to the hook. I have tried using this perk in a variety of different ways and it has never helped.
Am I using it wrong? Am i suppose to see if someones aura is NOT shown and search the close proximity? Because i did that too. I dunno why so many people gush over this perk, it doesn't seem all that good.
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@The_Crusader said:
Eh it's good but not that good on some killers. Sometimes by the time you get there they've moved, but they've seen your 8ft tall killer coming from a mile off so they go full stealth too. It works best on someone like Hillbilly who has great speed.I'd say its better than bitter murmur or rancor for tracking because you choose when it goes off. Bitter murmur might go off when you're already in a chase whereas BBQ will reveal auras at a time when you're free after hooking the last survivor.
Overrall I prefer whispers once you get used to it because it's always on.
Not to mention that with Whispers III equipped you don't have to worry about survivors lurking in your trial. I main Huntress now so that perk is one of my must-haves.
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