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SWF is cheating, is it?
as a killer main i wanna talk and discuss about something.
im listening or reading to some people who acuse Survivors of cheating because they play with their friends and i honestly dont really get it. i have around 4k hours, im a proud huntress main who never really dodge lobbies because i seriously dont give a peeeep if its a swf or not.
im not here to talk about the balance about SWF because i think we all know what a good SWF can do.
but what i also noticed is that a lot and i mean a lot people act like they play against the best of the best every single game. if you didnt know anything about the game you would say that this random dude is playing against tournament groups every single game.
me with 4k hours in the europe region where the most sweaty people are only played 2-3 games against a sweat squad.
a group of survivor having the advantage of discord, a group who is doing gens fast doesnt make them tournament like players.
yes we all know where that is coming from.. a guy who is constantly putting 0.01% survivors in his youtube video titles so his community think they're really a 0.01% squad and they start crying as soon they lost and call it "godlike survivors" nah man im 100% sure that 90% of you who say that never played against a tournament squad, just watch how tournament players play and tell me if you played against them.
and here we are at the next topic comms.
you know comms doesnt mean always sweat, i also play with my GF sometimes or with my friends what do you think we're doing on comms?
yeah you think we're very concentrated and give calls 24/7.. you know what we do? we're laughing our butts off about how my GF is going down, how the killer gets stuck how i make the worse play what not even a rank 20 does. thats what we do we trying to have fun and you call it cheating, seriously?
it doesnt go in my mind how people can call SWF cheating when its literally how most of you call it "a casual game"
it give you an advantage yes but there are also some stuff what gives killer advantages y'know?
best example dedi servers, you get undeserved hits, so by that logic when you have a high ping and get undeserved hits you're cheating? you cant do anything about it sure but just beacuse BHVR doesnt change it, it makes you a cheater right? so if you from the mars you shouldnt play the game since you get an advantage?
if devs dont balance the game around SWF its not the SWF who is cheating its the devs who dont care about it.
everyone gets in this game advantages somehow
Streched res, Comms, Dedi servers, hitboxes etc there is always something, by your logic fellow gamers we're all cheating because devs dont change the game in your favour.
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You dont have to tell that you are a Killer Main when you call SWF Cheating.
But no, the Devs confirmed that neither Comms nor SWF are cheating and they even provide the opportunity to play with other people on their Discord.
And SWF is also not a problem, most players playing SWFs are casuals playing with their friends. And if a Killer happens to run into a SWF full of good players, they will most likely lose to those 4 when playing Solo as well.
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Yeah when I play survivor it's usually only ever in SWF and we all play pretty badly because we use our comms to catch up with eachother while we play, especially coz our country has been in hard lockdowns for almost 2 years now we don't see eachother anymore. Lately the comms have actually been a detriment to our the games coz we're too distracted socialising lol
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When some killers play dozens of games and then lose once, they will try to pass the fault to any mechanic of the game instead of thinking how could they have performed better.
They don't realise the number of survivors they kill that use stretched res, game filters, swf with comms, but then after losing once they will spend 20 minute writing an essay in the forums about how survivors are overperforming and so shall be nerfed once again.
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It is cheating that is sanctioned by the devs. The game isn’t designed around it and with a groups of people who are good at the game, it breaks a lot of things for killers.
Information is one of the most powerful tools in this game and playing in a SWF on comms gives boatloads of it with zero downsides. Bring in high level play with communications and the only killers who can really stand a chance are Nurse, Spirit and Blight.
Stretched resolution is cheating. Comms is cheating. Dedicated Servers and hit boxes are just Behaviour being terrible. Anytime players use something that isn’t provided by the game to get an advantage is cheating. SwF is cheating, but nothing could be done about it.
It would kill the game if they make a separate queue and the devs have their hands full pumping out subpar content after subpar content and tying to not break the game more than they already have, so they really can’t balance it around comms.
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As killer I usually like seeing obvious SWFs because it means there's a good chance of snowballing once you find the weak link and they throw themselves at you to try and save their friend coz they're usually not very good. Have versed some SWFs that actually stomp me but eh I find 9 times out of 10 they kinda suck
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you didnt read my text but that is actually why explained i said "its not cheating"
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Strictly on paper no, ethically yes.
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makes no sense to me.
dedi servers and hitboxes could be prevented by the devs but streched and balancing swf cant?
who is deciding what is cheating at a game and what not? the devs right? so if they say "swf and playing on comms isnt cheating" then its not cheating or am i wrong?
so why do people keep saying that please explain it to me.
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MONEY. That is the explanation. The main reason the devs won’t touch SWF is money. They know that players play SWF because they want to play with their friends but also because sweat squads and bully squads exist and they’re the ones who purchase the cosmetics so they can stand out. Make it harder for them to verse a killer and no longer be able to bully them, lose customers.
That and there isn’t much they can do about people running other applications on their PC. How are they going to enforce a ban on Discord or Stretched Resolution when they can’t access people’s computers? The only power they have is the power to alter and control the game.
They can balance around SWF but they don’t want to. It would just increase their workload and it’s obvious with the last four chapter releases that they can’t handle anything more on their plate.
Man, just look at console optimization. Console players have been waiting for years to be able to properly play the game and the devs have shown time and time again that they’re incompetent. There is a massive thread on it, feel free to go read it. If they can’t make the game properly playable for their player base, what makes anyone think they can properly balance around communication?
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Using 3rd party Software to gain any form of advantage over other players is game nonspecific considered "cheating".
Comms in general can give an advantage but potentially to both sides to the same amount.
In an asymmetrical game this is not the case, the killer can be in discord or TeamSpeak with as many people as they want it won't give them any tactical advantage unlike for the 4 survivor having the potential to exchange information which would normally need up to a dozen different perks.
And lastly the devs neither call those things cheating nor do they condone camping, tunneling and slugging in any form as punishable or toxic.
Why? Because they can't do anything against any of those without having to fear extreme backlash from the respective party. Survivor would leave if they couldn't play with friends anymore (and behaviour can't do anything to prevent out of game coms) or queue times would be unbearable when separating swf somehow from solo (no idea how 2/3 mens should fit into this picture). And killer would quit if somehow several approaches in their gameplay would either become hard punished or made impossible, affecting not only the jerk players but also normal ones.
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Simple as it's an advantage, I just don't get why people cant admit that. By all means play with your friends or find a full group of sweaty players, just dont BM or act like you dont have an advantage with it.
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Anyone will call anything cheating on the forums.
The fact of the matter is that this game is very casual at its core, but dealing with other players can be frustrating. After an annoying match, people wanna vent so they come here and complain. When they get enough updoots for their complaint, it turns into a belief that they'll carry around.
That being said, is SWF an advantage? Yes. But it's not winner takes all. I've played a lot of SWF (with and without comms) and solo matches and the only difference is that when I play with friends, I'm more likely to do really dumb things to be funny lol Or I'm more likely to get help with some of the ridiculous challenges we're meant to complete in the archives.
It's a lot easier to blame mechanics than it is to take the L.
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