24 matches losing streak... and finally an escape (with video)
Dear BHVR,
I have been a dbd player since 2018, I started on PC (around 200 hours) and then moved on ps4 so I could play with my friends (around 1600 hours on ps4).
70% of my matches are as a survivor and 30% as a killer where I main Legion, Spirit and Trapper.
I am a decent player, I know the maps and I can go on good chases, although I am obviously not a Monto or an Ayrun.
In the last three days I have been defeated, as a survivor, 21 times in a row.
I don't think this has ever happened to me before.
I have played quite extensively during the latest MMR test, at least 30 survivor matches, all around purple ranks.
I play on average 7/8 matches of dbd per day.
I think you had more than enough time to assess the way I play this game.
I normally run perks like head on, Q and Q, Flashbang and BT (if playing duo) or adrenaline if solo.
Or if I am getting lots of stealth killer I run detective's hunch and spine chill instead of flashbang and BT.
I don't think I am sweating, I like to goof during matches, at least to an extent... so why am I getting all these unfair matches?
The amount of tunnelling I am getting is unprecedented, and I am frankly not having fun.
I should be supposed to win every now and then, at least I hope.
Can you please explain to me what to do in order to enjoy a normal game?
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Define losing
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Devs can't do anything about tunneling don't even bother trying. It's just impossible to change how players play the game.
Only advice I can give you is git gud and no this isn't a joke. Killer tunnel the weak link in the group, I rarely get tunneled despite getting killers who camps and tunnels.
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Not escaping as a survivor by finishing the gens and opening the doors.
I wouldn't count hatch as a win, but a draw, but I didn't even escape with hatch during this streak, just dead, dead and dead again
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Run Decisive if you are getting tunneled a lot, probably better to run that than spine chill AFTER you run into stealth killers. Rofl. Ignore my icon. I would never lead you astray.
If anything, I feel bad for you. You spend only 30% of your time playing killer and when you do... You play Trapper and Legion? You poor soul.
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I am playing exactly like I used to and I have never lost so much.
The purpose of MMR is to match similar skills, and with a 21 matches lose streak this is clearly not the case
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I guess I could run decisive yes.
As for Legion and Trapper... well I spent so much money on their skins that I MUST use them hahah
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You don't have to escape to win. Winning is by getting a pip and you can do that even by getting sacrificed.
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can you show one match of yours? Just curious.
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See that's your problem. Death comes really easy in this game. And sometimes just is out of your control.
Some survivors are suppose to die in a match. If you die and have 15-20k bloodpoints and another survivor gets out the door with 15k max you can't really say you played badly and they played well now can you?
My suggestion would be to redefine losing. What you are doing now is like playing a fighting game and saying everytime you go below 50% health is a loss.
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If you have been playing since 2k18 by sheer number of matches you will have both won and lost more than anyone else and most likely have such a high average SBMM rating that you will need a while to play. Additionally, you might have adjusted you the way you play recently but simply by pure volume of games your rating must be very high <They have been collecting this data for a long time supposedly>. I have no suggestions on how to change this because it is obvious that you understand the fundamentals to some degree, however I recommend that you redefine what is a win for you.
TLDR | Set a simple goal for a win<in your terms> and do not expect to things to change because you <most likely> have an abundance of playtime and matches where you <likely> escaped.
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Head-on and flashbang? Maybe switch to some conservative perks like Bond/Kindred, Sprint Burst etc instead of insisting on "Im gonna be annoying player who wants attention and boxing killer with locker"
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May I ask what region or servers you are on? Because ever since sbmm is on, my killer games became impossibly difficult while survivor is so easy with good teammates, that I just run adepts on survivors and did half of them in 2 days.
And I am in no way better killer than survivor, I play them probably just like you, 70% surv and 30% killer. I have 1000 hours and I considered killer much more harder to play than survivor, which is kinda surprising to me that sbmm made it even more extreme on both sides now. I am on EU server
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ok I will go on twitch later and record an average match
I can redefine it as much as I want but I have never had a run where I simply cannot escape, I understand losing 2-3 matches and then escaping but being kicked in the butt for 21 matches is a bit too much
I am in the UK, very close to the EU London server with an average ping of 32 ms
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I feel you on this one. I have never been a fan of sbmm or mmr because of how stagnant it makes games and they become boring. I play 99% survivor, only ever play the killer when I fancy a change and haven't played killer since mmr was introduced so can't comment on the new killer experience.
As a survivor however I feel like the mmr needs another huge over haul. Not necessarily for killer VS survivor matchmaking, more so for survivor team matchmaking. I'm not an amazing player by any stretch of the imagination, I make some good plays every now and again but I play consistently well that I was regularly purple and red rank under the old system. My main complaint about mmr is the survivors I'm being matched with god awful and not a good match at all. I understand people have bad games so I'm not complaining about them having bad scores or whatever but level of survivors I'm being put with is sometimes embarrassing. It's almost like the mmr system is matching my ELO with survivors much lower than mine to attain a target ELO for the team rather than an average. I expect survivors I'm paired with at a decent level to be able to do a sodding generator once in a while and not farm me off the hook every 5 minutes or run head first at the killer because of a pure lack of observational awareness.
If the ELO ratings are being added together to form a team (which is the only way I can figure having such a variety or survivors ability in one game) then it need to be averaged in some way to make it fairer for all involved.
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it seems to be the case with me as well, getting 1 bad team mate with a good one (my level) and sometimes an amazing one vs a good/great killer.
The experience is not pleasant :(
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Try to restart your game. It worked for me lol
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as in reinstalling? I switch my ps4 off twice already, I have been on butt kicking streak since Tuesday XD
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God DAYUM.. that's a hell of a streak. What fresh hell did you get yourself into? 21 losses? Never, on my worst day, could I ever have that kind of bad luck. Yeesh.
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XD I don't know but I have been having my butt kicked since Tuesday. I will play some dbd in a couple of hours and will keep you posted :)
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Please do because you might be reverse Otzdarva - 50 losses in a row. That does suck though, man. I'd probably take a four month break if I lost that much. Infuriating.
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Then it's not loosing.
If 3 survivors escape, it's a win.
2 survivors is a draw.
So the game doesn't consider that you have lost. You died, but 3 other survivors escaped, the team won, so did you.
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record matches and prove it.
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ahhaha I should change my forum name to Reverse Otz XD
But these kind of matches has NEVER HAPPENED to me in 3 years of DBD.
Losing yes, getting stomped every match no.
Something has clearly changed otherwise I wouldn't be on the forum reporting on my situation, if my dbd future with MMR is to be stomped and never escape... well I don't think I want to play this game anymore
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Oh no i really hope your matches get better that sounds awful, sbmm has been very inconsistent for me.
Some matches were very well, some were very very poor.
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fingers crossed!
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But by stomped, do you mean all 4 survivors die ? Or just you that had been tunneled ?
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Stomped as in: me not being able to escape, EVER.
Some matches had all the other survivors dying, some matches had them escaping, but we mostly lost quite badly as a team.
My point though is that even if some of my team members are escaping, I am not having fun if I die 21 TIMES IN A ROW.
It is a bit too much and it defies the whole purpose of MMR where I should be matched with similar opponents, not with Otzdarva like players
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Hey don’t worry friend BHVR doesn’t care about you or your opinion. All they care about is money like the cheap ######### they are and if you don’t agree with the social dogma that this ######### of a forum agrees with then they REALLY don’t give a #########. Sbmm was the worst ######### thing ever added to this game and of course there’s fart sniffing ass kisser who think this is the best thing ever even tho they’re worthless casuals that are probably still rank 20 lol. But the sad thing is they’re the majority. So of course bhvr listen to them more, because they’re to afraid to go against them because it might hurt sales, pathetic. Might as well play a different game or go out and socialize. As one of the devs said. Lol this game and company is a joke
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Do you play soloQ or in SWF ?
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mostly solo, with the occasional 2-3 matches with my sister (with more or less the same goofy build)
I was in a SWF duo in 5 matches out of 21.
It is just frustrating to never taste an escape in 3 days of dbd. I will record an average match later
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Someone was complaining that they had 10 noeds in a row. You are complaining that you get always tunneled. Try to change your build then if you notice that you are facing the same type of killer all the time. Put on DS and perks that help you be stealthy and get lost after an unhook.
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Weird, as a soloQ survivor, i don't have the same experience as you.
How does the survivors you are matched with perform ? I mean, are they good loopers ? When you are in chase, do they do gens ? Usually, how long can you hold a killer in chase ?
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ok that is something I can do and if I play sweat-lord style I guess I can break the streak, I will try later and record it.
My point is different, I have been playing with head on, with mostly chill matches over the course of the last 7-8 months.
Sometimes it was a strong killer and I lost, sometimes it was a draw, sometimes I escaped and this seems to me the way a casual game should work.
Getting strong killers, with strong builds and lots of tunnelling for 21 matches in a row seems a bit too much.
I just can't understand why I am forced to play these kinds of matches one after the other for no reason.
I am not a full time streamer, I play 7-8 matches of dbd per day and I am a very chill player who doesn't mind losing and taking one for the team.
Still when you get swept for 21 matches (3 days in a row) I start to feel it is a bit too much, and that's the reason of this post. I don't find interesting to be kicked in the butt continously.
Anyway I will record some videos later and let's see
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The teams are quite inconsistent, we often have the equivalents of a new player (or they seem like they are new, I can't check the hours on ps4), 2 average people (me and another, or me and my sister) and sometimes another average player or a very good looper.
My chase time is hard to quantify when playing, I will record a few videos later. I think it is an average experienced dbd player time. It is not Monto/Ayrun level, but it isn't noob either.
I think I am in the pool of average decent dbd player who has decent game sense but doesn't excel at the game.
That said, I am not really trying super hard when I play, I am playing like I have always played so if I ended up in high mmr, the system is broken as that's certainly not my place.
it is very frustrating
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Yeah, I understand, must be really frustrating.
One theory, but maybe complete BS: Maybe each MMR level is dominated by similar playstyle killers. Maybe at your MMR it is tunneling killers. So you need to get out of it somehow, and then maybe you will face different killers (hopefully not the face camping killers :D ).
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Ye i think you are in middle rank mmr, that's why it's inconsistent and the most balanced experience i guess even though you die often, your team win & loose on an average basis.
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You're creating yourself a difficult win condition. The Game isn't designed that when the Survivor escapes that's the only time they win. It's mostly based on how much they contribute that match, and how long they can live for.
Follow 2 CHRS. 2 Cleanse, 2 Heals, 2 Repairs, and 2 Saves. Then go off the pip system, black pip and above = win
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If you want to escape, you can’t goof during matches, simply put. You’re playing goofy but the killers you’re facing obviously aren’t, so you keep dying.
If you want to play goofy, accept that you’ll die a lot. If you want to escape, accept that you have to actually try for it. I don’t even think your build is a problem necessarily but you can’t waste time in lockers, randomly doing dull totems or just running around. If you want to escape, five gens need to be done before you die. That means you need longer chases, more gen time, and/or more efficient teamwork.
Of course you can tailor your playstyle to the playstyle of your opponent. If the killer is playing casual you can play more relaxed, but if they’re obviously trying to win then you have to try as well if you want a chance to escape.
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Try playing at different times of the day and see if that helps. I've noticed the game is a lot less aggressive at the ass crack of dawn and almost unplayable around prime time.
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Since SBMM the camping and tunneling has been off the charts. Yesterday my friend coaxed me into playing a few rounds (we don't communicate, we just team up) and out of 6 matches, 6 campers/tunnelers. Ghostface who just stealthed by the hook. Wraith just cloaked by the hook. Blight? Proxy camping. Spirit, proxy camping and tunneling.
We gave up lol. It's miserable.
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Finally I managed to escape! and I had to try very hard with a meta build and the best medkit. Every single match since Tuesday has been like this.
It's not funny to play a game like this.
Streak ended after 24 defeats
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21? Is that all? Sorry, but that's well within the bounds of DbD's RNG, and the MMR system is still new and doesn't have much accurate data (they apparently reset it after the last year to ensure reasonable accuracy).
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It ended at 24, this has never happened to me before in 3 years of DBD.
The system was reset before the latest test, where I played at least 30 games. Since then I played at least 40 more, it should be enough to determine where I stand in the matchmaking.
I used to get balanced matches within 5 games in Warzone, so it is surely possible to have data in 70ish games
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This thread is like "hey mmr isn't working. I'm not getting even matches and I'm on the worst losing streak of my life."
Then people respond, "well of course you're losing. Have you considered gitting gud, sweating, and running meta builds to secure a win?"
That's exactly how the old ranking system worked where rank was based on time played and if you hated losing well it sucks to suck it's your fault for losing. Next time try to constantly improve instead of stagnating. BTW this isn't a competitive game.
If MMR was working he shouldn't have to improve his skill to have fun games. The games should be curated to his skill level. You can't just make a system where you're obligated to get insanely good to have any fun. That just leads to the current status quo where everyone runs meta builds by the diction of a community that also complains about the meta and sweat. Just so they can have fun in a casual game.
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21 losses in a row is a pretty big L for a system that's supposed to be an improvement. I imagine a lot of people giving up by that point.
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This
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Problem is clearly the survivors you are matched with. They don't do gens... When you finished the first one, 2 other gens should have popped seconds after or before.
Your are playing with baby survivors unfortunately.
For looping, an advice, go more against walls at the shack and jungle gym, you can "slide" against it, less distance to loop.
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Exactly my point, it took me 24 losses to finally win a match, by PURE LUCK! If the pig had slugged I would have lost again
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Its obvious a low mmr-match. So the problem is simply that the system doesnt care that you cant carry 3 teammates. So you do better than the others, but that doesnt matter, bc you will die and lower your MMR. Then you get worse teammates and repeat. Its hard to get out of this cycle. That means if you want better teammates, you need to increase your mmr with swf.
The pig was really bad, but she needed to hook almost everyone twice before killing and make some horrible mistakes, so you could escape. And you played decent in chase and did 3 gens. Thats how bad your teammates were and if you would have died, the chance is high that the game would have thought, you are on the same skill level as your team.
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I see, but I don't know what to do.
Most of my friends quit dbd and my sister can only play a couple of matches per day and I end up losing and losing and losing. It is really frustrating
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