who else thinks survivors are op

XxAtomicAlfiexX

i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

Jack11803

SWF and DS are what makes it OP. You’ll find you wipe solo players every match (which would mean killer is OP, but SWF trumps that. Thus balance can never be done. Any killer nerf or survivor buff will make SWF even more insane, and any killer buff or survivor nerf will screw solo players even harder. Balance is literally impossible)

AgentTalon

@Jack11803 said:
SWF and DS are what makes it OP. You’ll find you wipe solo players every match (which would mean killer is OP, but SWF trumps that. Thus balance can never be done. Any killer nerf or survivor buff will make SWF even more insane, and any killer buff or survivor nerf will screw solo players even harder. Balance is literally impossible)

It's unfortunate that SWF is required to keep the game alive but is at the same time the thing that kills the balance.

Jack11803

@AgentTalon said:

@Jack11803 said:
SWF and DS are what makes it OP. You’ll find you wipe solo players every match (which would mean killer is OP, but SWF trumps that. Thus balance can never be done. Any killer nerf or survivor buff will make SWF even more insane, and any killer buff or survivor nerf will screw solo players even harder. Balance is literally impossible)

It's unfortunate that SWF is required to keep the game alive but is at the same time the thing that kills the balance.

Exactly my thoughts

XxAtomicAlfiexX

fair enough. i think that lunges should have a bubble that sucks into a survivor to hit them making 360 and moves like that harder to pull off so killers stand a chance in a chase though.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

what is meant by swf

Jack11803

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
fair enough. i think that lunges should have a bubble that sucks into a survivor to hit them making 360 and moves like that harder to pull off so killers stand a chance in a chase though.

No. that’s a bad idea. Besides 360’s are literally the only dodge survivors have. Double besides, it’s easy to hit anyway

Dabrownman1812

XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

what is meant by swf

Survive with friends, they use comms that goes against the no game chat mood of the game. 

XxAtomicAlfiexX

fair enough.also the bubble i was on about was only suppose to be small allowing some 360 to work but not all.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

thanks i forgot it meant swf

XxAtomicAlfiexX

i play the game on ps4 btw

XxAtomicAlfiexX

i think ds is balanced but self care isn't.

Jack11803

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think ds is balanced but self care isn't.

It’s more the opposite.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

but you only have one ds. self care can be used all game if im correct

Peasant

INB4 Tydetyme shows you a documentary.

Jack11803

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
but you only have one ds. self care can be used all game if im correct

It’s weird. But I’ve been playing for 2 years. I’m probably more biased. But trust me on that one. There’s lots of niche details and stuff at high rank play

XxAtomicAlfiexX

what do you mean ? peasant

XxAtomicAlfiexX

my highest rank is 11 killer

GodDamn_Angela

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
fair enough. i think that lunges should have a bubble that sucks into a survivor to hit them making 360 and moves like that harder to pull off so killers stand a chance in a chase though.

If they are 360ing you shouldn't be lunging.

This sounds like more of a you problem instead of a "360s are op" problem.

Also, I find Survivors annoying and frustrating to play against but I don't think they are OP. The game is intended to make you feel that, in a way.

Jack11803

I get rank 1 both. Self care is a utility, it allows you to heal without a teammate. This means solo players have a chance. But it can’t be used to literally delay the killer in raw time. DS could save you, and let you kite the killer around for another minute, making them lose.

Master

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

Survivors are op, unless I try to play solo survivors with some random plebs, then killers are op.

The real balance difference is SWF

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@GodDamn_Angela said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
fair enough. i think that lunges should have a bubble that sucks into a survivor to hit them making 360 and moves like that harder to pull off so killers stand a chance in a chase though.

If they are 360ing you shouldn't be lunging.

This sounds like more of a you problem instead of a "360s are op" problem.

Also, I find Survivors annoying and frustrating to play against but I don't think they are OP. The game is intended to make you feel that, in a way.

thanks fair point. but i can usually handle my self against 360s but similar tricks get me.ill follow your advice though.also i lunge of to the side and that helps sometimes

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@Jack11803 said:
I get rank 1 both. Self care is a utility, it allows you to heal without a teammate. This means solo players have a chance. But it can’t be used to literally delay the killer in raw time. DS could save you, and let you kite the killer around for another minute, making them lose.

that is a point but ds usually get me after the last gen is complete.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

i was exaggerating about the being op but it isn't balanced.the biggest problem is me not being used to it.it only started happening on ps4 when the event started and i haven't came up with a good counter.i often find my self chasing one survivor all game without even hitting them and if i leave them i usually still loose the game.i end up tunneling and camping just to get a kill. also the map is usually bad for who im playing.

chococri

Survivors are not op. SWF and communication is OP. Even worst when they bring DS, purple flashlights and unbreakable.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@chococri said:
Survivors are not op. SWF and communication is OP. Even worst when they bring DS, purple flashlights and unbreakable.

true.

alivebydeadight

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this
Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability
Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability
High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

The_Crusader

It's a hard game to balance. This isn't like Call of Duty where you're both walking around with guns and can both perform the same actions.

Killers can kill. Survivors can't do anything. So survivors are given pallets. Which means they're either completely safe or completely unsafe at any given time. If they drop pallets vaults windows they can't be hit. If they don't then they can't defend themselves.

Thus the only way to balance is to carefully maintain the right balance of pallets and vaults. You want the survivor to be able to dash from a gen to somewhere safe, but you don't want pallets placed so close that survivors can go from one to another to another to another and loop a killer completely around a map.

Some maps are ok. The survivor gets a few defences and then is forced out into the open.

Some maps have jungle gym next to jungle gym nsxt to killer shack next to pallet loops.

In terms of perks....indivually none of the survivor perks are OP, but when multiplied X 4 they become a problem. Therefore survivor perks should ideally be weaker than killer perks.

Decisive Strike needs to go.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

i think flash lights,ds and swf (as long as they are your friend) are fair but very annoying.my survivor play style isn't like most of who i play against so tackling the problem is quite hard.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this
Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability
Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability
High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

mid tier doctor and trapper

Dabrownman1812

alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this
Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability
Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability
High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

Spirit isn't low tier but yeh. Spirit has a gap and can be more practical than nurse in some scenarios due to dash accuracy and control. I do get your point though, better killers do better in deeper ranks.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@The_Crusader said:
It's a hard game to balance. This isn't like Call of Duty where you're both walking around with guns and can both perform the same actions.

Killers can kill. Survivors can't do anything. So survivors are given pallets. Which means they're either completely safe or completely unsafe at any given time. If they drop pallets vaults windows they can't be hit. If they don't then they can't defend themselves.

Thus the only way to balance is to carefully maintain the right balance of pallets and vaults. You want the survivor to be able to dash from a gen to somewhere safe, but you don't want pallets placed so close that survivors can go from one to another to another to another and loop a killer completely around a map.

Some maps are ok. The survivor gets a few defences and then is forced out into the open.

Some maps have jungle gym next to jungle gym nsxt to killer shack next to pallet loops.

In terms of perks....indivually none of the survivor perks are OP, but when multiplied X 4 they become a problem. Therefore survivor perks should ideally be weaker than killer perks.

Decisive Strike needs to go.

you have a fair point actually.pallets and windows are ok and some survivor perks are kind of unbalanced.

Dabrownman1812

alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this
Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability
Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability
High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

Spirit ability not helping in chase? Just saw that lol. You don't use her well then. I hate to be that guy. 

alivebydeadight

doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

XxAtomicAlfiexX

btw the title is a discussion starter and is not (any more) accurate to what i think.

Jack11803

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
btw the title is a discussion starter and is not (any more) accurate to what i think.

To sum it up for everyone!

SWF > Killers > Solo survivors

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i do use the doctor and trapper in both ways you mentioned and they are still effective.i also cant use my trapper right now because i just prestiged him.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@Jack11803 said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
btw the title is a discussion starter and is not (any more) accurate to what i think.

To sum it up for everyone!

SWF > Killers > Solo survivors

pretty much

XxAtomicAlfiexX

the discussion went on longer then it should of but i enjoyed talking to you so i'm ok with it.

alivebydeadight

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i do use the doctor and trapper in both ways you mentioned and they are still effective.i also cant use my trapper right now because i just prestiged him.

I had to do the same with huntress, hillbilly, pig, and krueger (Definitely Kruger)

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

alivebydeadight

@Dabrownman1812 said:
alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this

Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability

Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability

High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

Spirit ability not helping in chase? Just saw that lol. You don't use her well then. I hate to be that guy. 

I use her VERY well, in fact its disgusting how well i use her, I stopped playing her because I hit a too high of a rank to play her, too many flashlights to mindgame

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i do use the doctor and trapper in both ways you mentioned and they are still effective.i also cant use my trapper right now because i just prestiged him.

I had to do the same with huntress, hillbilly, pig, and krueger (Definitely Kruger)

i main doc but play trapper (even though my doc is level 40 and my trapper is p1 level 4 )

alivebydeadight

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

learn him and try to get ruin, you play trapper without ruin, imagine using ruin on trapper and all the gen tappers will be pissed!

alivebydeadight

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i do use the doctor and trapper in both ways you mentioned and they are still effective.i also cant use my trapper right now because i just prestiged him.

I had to do the same with huntress, hillbilly, pig, and krueger (Definitely Kruger)

i main doc but play trapper (even though my doc is level 40 and my trapper is p1 level 4 )

I main huntress, but I still play trapper and spirit like you

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

i think survivors are op.who else does and why.

I dont and i play killer and survivor evenly, yes swf and ds are a problem, but devs have been trying to even out the numbers with removing pallet vacuum allowing killers to swing straight through the pallet before being "smacked in the face"-mathiue cote 2018 Tokyo stream, with matchmaking having problems with swf and dodging killers (yes they still exist), but really, this shouldnt be complained about anymore than it needs to, if you want help about using killer then tell me, do you use low tier killers, mid tier killers or high tier killers?

Here i can help you if you dont understand this

Low tier (Nightmare, Wraith, Spirit) they have either nothing or not much to help within the chase with there ability

Mid tier (doctor, clown, trapper, hag, cannibal) They have either slightly or decent amount of help inside the chase with their ability

High tier(huntress,shape,nurse,hillbilly) They have either a extremely powerful ability inside the chase or there power is at its max within a chase

some of this info is incorrect because shape is hard to tell between if he is good inside the chase or not

Spirit ability not helping in chase? Just saw that lol. You don't use her well then. I hate to be that guy. 

I use her VERY well, in fact its disgusting how well i use her, I stopped playing her because I hit a too high of a rank to play her, too many flashlights to mindgame

watch a youtuber called monto and go back through his vids and you will find a desgusting spirit build.

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

learn him and try to get ruin, you play trapper without ruin, imagine using ruin on trapper and all the gen tappers will be pissed!

max brutal strength and over charge. 3 gen tricks for days.

Jack11803

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

learn him and try to get ruin, you play trapper without ruin, imagine using ruin on trapper and all the gen tappers will be pissed!

max brutal strength and over charge. 3 gen tricks for days.

I suggest enduring over brutal strength

alivebydeadight

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

learn him and try to get ruin, you play trapper without ruin, imagine using ruin on trapper and all the gen tappers will be pissed!

max brutal strength and over charge. 3 gen tricks for days.

3 gen with spirit is disgusting

XxAtomicAlfiexX

@Jack11803 said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:

@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:

@alivebydeadight said:
doctor with his ability to anti stealth if the survivors dont have the perk calm spirit, they can be found and down within a small amount of time, Trapper is a good killer to prevent survivors from throwing pallets or vaulting windows inside a chase without getting a little surprise in the progress, if you really didnt like swf or solos in the higher ranks, begin playing hillbilly with ruin, apply map pressure

i dont own ruin and i struggle to play billy.

learn him and try to get ruin, you play trapper without ruin, imagine using ruin on trapper and all the gen tappers will be pissed!

max brutal strength and over charge. 3 gen tricks for days.

I suggest enduring over brutal strength

i respect pallets and dont often need it and i ment use it with overcharge to stop gen progress

alivebydeadight

ugh, forums is bugging out again, it alerts me when you send something to Jack, but still for a good 3 gen doctor is brutal with it (let that pun sink in)