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Hot take: There's nothing wrong with tunneling.
There, I said it.
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So you did.
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Here comes the page-long arguments about how you're wrong or how you're right and how he/she is bad and then there's those other guys that come in and say it's part of the game and everyone needs to stop whining and yadda yadda yadda....
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The idea is to spark conversation. Could just prove to be a theory, though. I stand by what I said, however. Tunneling is fine. There's nothing wrong, or immoral about it in any way.
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Until they do something about to incentivize not doing it in the game then yeah, it's valid. Fact is the game needs a massive overhaul if they want to stop it. But until that happens, and the devs get off their asses and do something, unfortunately tunneling will always be a thing in the game.
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Yeah, but this has been discussed a million times over on these forums, and it's always a heated argument, half the time the threads get closed, no one's mind is ever changed by anything anyone says... and you started it off by not contributing anything to the conversation yourself.
Hot take: Fresh hot bread is best bread.
There, I said it.
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I mean what can be said of it that hasn't been said before? There are plenty of people who say there is nothing wrong with tunneling and there are plenty of people saying it's for bad killers only, and the conversation has been had countless upon countless upon countless times. You can type 'tunneling' into the search bar and there are 1,000 pages of discussion on tunneling. Probably would be more, I'm sure it's been discussed since the dawn of the forums.
I don't think there's a distinct problem with tunneling. Survivors have plenty of perks to get around it. But the tunneling conversation has to be the most beaten dead horse in the history of time. There's not even a horse to beat anymore, just the dirt where the horse died. Yet people keep beating it.
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That's okay. You can be 'wrong'. "Not against the rules" has never been a good metric for "moral" - which, by rote, is "manifesting high principles for proper conduct."
While many people can quibble about what "proper conduct" is in a game, it's kinda pointless. Some people will be selfish in their judgement, and some people will not be. Moral is what's good and bad, ethics are how to ratify and justify your individual opinion, and people are gonna have it all personalized to hell: there's no real empiricism.
What is empirical is that tunnels trend toward being short-term yields, rather than long-term ones. For some that's enough, for others the risk is worth it.
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Huh
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What an easy fix, too... reduced bloodpoint penalty for chasing/hitting/hooking the same target
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I agree there is nothing wrong with tunneling. It's a legitimate strategy killer can and should use to help them. But I would also argue there is nothing wrong with the survivors taking steps and perks to help against tunneling.
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Still won't work. They already do that with camping and it doesn't stop some people from doing it. Honestly I don't think with the way the game is currently built that either of these can be stopped. Which again brings me back to the devs. They need to get off their asses and do something about it on their end. We as the players only have so much that we can on our end. But they literally make the game and they could put in an actual fix. But then that would require time and actual work to be put in. God forbid...
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Anytime a killer tunnels me that scene from Jurassic park with the Trex chasing their jeep plays in my head lol if only we had a rearview mirror on our hud so we didnt have to keep looking back haha
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You can't punish killers for doing their objective.
That's like saying "bloodpoint penalty for survivors working on more than one generator at a time". It doesn't compute.
I don't disagree, but that has nothing to do with this thread. The fact that tunneling is looked at as some grand scummy tactic, and people will judge a person, AS a person, based on how they played a video game, is insane. That's the point of this thread. You're not scummy for tunneling. If you tunneled, you did nothing wrong.
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I agree it's something killers have to do, just like survivors also have to hold W instead of looping and doing gens instead of healing or doing totems. Both should be addressed imo, the game should be fun for everyone.
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The only hot take is that this isn't a hot take at all.
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If someone get tunnel its because the unhooker did an unsafe unhook so that completly the fault of the other survivor and not the killer because he capitalise on your team mistake
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With the way the community behaves, could have fooled me.
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That's one scenario, yes.
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If you want to tunnel, tunnel.
Few care, and no one is going to be surprised.
Next game.
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"Few care". Incorrect.
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This take is about as hot as a walk-in freezer in the centre of the Antarctic permafrost
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@JimbusCrimbus in 5 seconds.
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I love the Trina pictures
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Sounds like some people don't have any desire to fix tunneling or camping in this game because what can fix something simply "doesn't work"
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they're shockingly good reaction images
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I'm all for a solution but like I've said before, I don't think there is an easy solution right now especially with how the game is currently designed. If you want to fix camping, tunneling, gen rushing, all of that you would need to overhaul the basic workings of the game, otherwise doing stuff like "stopping hook timers when a killer is camping" or taking away BP from them for double hooking a survivor back to back, or implementing Ruin as base kit would be punishing everyone for doing their job.
No, if you want to fix this then again look towards the devs and call them out. Because until they do something about it, then all of this will just continue.
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Nothing wrong with people doing it
Wrong with the game design? Yes.
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Well, how many people play DBD?
I'd say it represents a "few" when viewing the population as a whole.
Or even gamers as a whole.
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I agree, but this isn't a hot take at all.
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Everything is meaningless :(.
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except garlic bread. garlic bread is eternal.
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You can tell me any scenario and i will tell you why its the survivor fault.
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The fix to tunneling and camping is for people to stop A) Taking the game so seriously, and B) feeling entitled to a chance to escape.
It's a game. There's clear cut, black and white objectives for each side. Killers are supposed to kill survivors. Survivors are supposed to escape before that happens.
Placing nonsensical restrictions on either one of those is stupid, and based in entitlement.
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I could go play 10 games right now, and tunnel every single game.
Out of 10 of those games, at least 8 of them will give me more than one survivor calling me scummy or worse.
"Few care."
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Then do it
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I could go play 10 games right now and 12 hook everyone.
Out of 10 of those games, at least 8 of them will give me more than one survivor calling me scummy or worse.
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Sure, there's nothing wrong with tunneling. But when I see it game after game happen to my teammates, I'm putting on a haddonfield offering with balanced landing and a strong toolbox. And there's nothing wrong with that either.
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Ah yes, the classic fix to any problem is to simply ignore it and be glad you're even playing the game. Do you play survivor very much?
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Only problem with tunneling is that if you're bad at survivor it sucks cause you can't loop for ######### and go down immediately.
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Tunneling is the wave
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If nearly the entire killer base hadn't been saying this for two years it might have been a "hot take". Anymore it's a boring excuse.
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As long as people whine about tunneling, I would say the take is at the very least warm.
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Camping is really only punished in scoring (which nobody really cared about even before mmr) and has no effect on bloodpoints.
Survivors have unsafe unhooks. Killers should get similar.
At the end of the day I dont think effecting the killers bloodpoints would do a whole lot. But maybe giving the tunnelled survivor a bloodpoint multiplier or a percentage of the killers bloodpoints might help them feel better about it?
As for my opinion on tunneling as a whole? It depends on the situation. At 5 gens? Absolute scummy. At 0-1 gens? What else are they gonna do?
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You get less bloodpoints because you aren't chasing, hitting, or destroying anything. For you to get a decent amount of BP while face camping, the survivors need to REALLY be messing up.
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It's not tunneling itself that's the problem - it's the current meta, plus items like keys that all-but force it.
I try to avoid tunneling after the first kill, unless you either deliberately annoy me (you want my attention, you can have it) or you brought a key. That said, removing a survivor early is all-but essential right now.
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nah 2 day old bread is definitely superior than the crunchy bread. If i wanted crunch i wouldn't be eating bread
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I mean, I agree. It's just really boring IMO
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i do it when the game requires me to do it (survivors doing gens way too fast, so i have to try kill survivors ASAP aswell, its only fair if both sides are rushing) otherwise i try not to, or if i dont need to. performing 12 hooks is impossible if survivors actually start doing gens.
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It's legal. There's that.
We'd have to define 'wrong' to have a conversation.
I could argue, for example, that tunneling must be kept within reasonable boundaries, or it could literally kill the game. Check Deathgarden's players count for an example. Nobody is going to play a game if they become a glorified npc at the mercy of another player (same for killers if, for example, infinites still existed).
Is that an example of 'wrong'? You tell me. Food for thought, though.
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It used to bother me if it happened to me several games in the row, but not anymore.
You see, after sbmm is out, there is no point in taking the game seriously. Nothing really matters what happens. I cant derank, I cant see my mmr. I dont have a reason to get high mmr so only thing that keeps me playing is those old tome challenges.
Once they are gone, Idk what will I do.
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