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Was anyone else disappointed with some 'addon' passes?
Pretty late to the party considering this PTB is about to go live, but is anyone else disappointed with some of these addon changes?
Myers seems relatively untouched, the only thing that really changed was that they killed BK Myers (RIP sweet prince).
Ghostface pretty much got a nerf to his best addons, even if his basekit recovery is OK the majority of his addons are still bad.
Hag got one addon changed, and it was a minor buff. She still has 3/4 terrible Purples, and the one Iri that did get changed is still terrible.
The other addon passes I can kind of understand based on Killer/Addon performance or what they Devs had in mind for them, but these 3 had a really rough time of it. I hope the Devs look them over and give them some much needed love again.
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I mean, it's something at least and not a half assed mid chapter that added a gimmick for the power of one single killer.
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Personally i was pleasantly surprised. I really like the Pig add-on balance pass, it looks really fun. For myers i was expecting them to just nerf tombstone piece, but instead they buffed judith's tombstone, made vanity mirror way better, and made one of his best add-ons a common. They also fixed his stalk meter bug. Everything else i don't know, because i don't play those killers.
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Keep in mind the only killers that got add-on passes were Trapper, Spirit, and Pig. Everyone else who got updated were only given a few add-on changes.
I do agree that some could've been better though.
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Not really- these are just little tweaks thrown in alongside the big stuff, all of those killers are likely still in the metaphorical line to get some proper, actual changes.
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what i find funny is they buffed judiths tombstone so you only get the slowdown in tier 3
it's weird how people always complain that tombstone is op so the devs buffed it?
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No one complains about tombstone, actually. The problem is tombstone piece. It also lets you kill a survivor very early, but the requirements are much smaller.
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I made a post about it no one understood why i found it hilarious
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Ghost face was more of a buff than a nerf. They just took what 6-8 seconds out of the add ons and just made them base kit so your less reliant on those add ons.
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The feedback i've seen is that the problem is, is that none of his add-ons are better than the recovery ones. And if you use his add-ons now the recovery is 1 second longer than before.
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His other add-ons are still not worth using, so everyone will still use Chewed Pen and Address Book. But now after the changes, the lowest cooldown possible went from 16 seconds to 17 seconds, which is a slight nerf.
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I disagree about Mikey. New Vanity mirror is really good now. Plus they buffed tombstone.
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I was specially disappointed with Pig. They actually nerfed her best addons without buffing the base kit lol.
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I'll be the one to say it: I don't think Pig's add-on pass benefits her very much. I don't think it completely screws her over or anything (despite what some people who swear by Crate + Timer might argue), but it didn't really do anything huge to help her either IMO.
-Five add-ons that are trash remain untouched (the four add-ons that inflict status conditions to anyone wearing an RBT + Amanda's Secret)
-Two add-ons that were trash before and re-worked entirely are still trash (Interlocking Razor and Razor Wire)
-Annotated Plan has an extremely unnecessary downside (it is strictly worse than the original Last Will unless two gens pop in the time it takes for someone to take off a single RBT)
-The new Last Will is not usable without the new Workshop Grease (which is identical to the Old Video Tape). I will admit that I could be wrong on this one, but that is my impression.
There are definitely some benefits to the changes that I should mention:
-The new Video Tape UR is better than Rules Set No. 2 was at UR
-Rules Set No. 2 (which is now a Rare) actually synergizes quite well with new UR Video Tape and new Jigsaw's Sketch
-Amanda's Letter got a buff (and also removed some really stupid cheese), even if I personally think it has further room to be buffed
-Bag of Gears got a buff
I'd say the net gain to Pig with these new changes is pretty small (which is at least something, to be fair) compared to how many changes she got.
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Well with myers
You can now use pink tombstone and vanity mirror in actual normal gameplay
And hey you can get the flower more common
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Well it is not a bhvr patch without both cyanide and happiness, so meh.
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Killers should not be able to mori using an add-on. That's overpowered.
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You’re saying Myers with that add-on is as strong as or stronger than Nurse?
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In its lethality to one survivor, yes. It's just like Pig's head trap or Leatherface's chainsaw. You get 1 person one time and they're out of the game.
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Myers: eh. not disappointed. just expected tbh.
Spirit: Not disappointed. Confused on MD ring.
Deathslinger: Disappointed.
Blight: It was 1 addon.
Nurse; Simliar to myers. Not disappointed. Just kinda knew that it wasn't gonna be much.
Trapper: Happy.
Ghostface: He literally got nerfed by 1 sec.
Plague: Not sure. It's hard to say.
Oni: 1 addon.
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uh bubba can't gank survivors without perks/mori so not sure what the reverse beartrap analogue is for
anyway spirit hurts the most, she broadcasts her location to everyone nearby in phase so pretty much never get caught off guard again, but not only that let's take a bunch of actually solid, sometimes good even addons and either delete them or turn them into memes, yeah when we do such a good job with addons in general let's take 10 steps back on a killer that actually had a good set
but hey, at least you've got unique music for when you impotently chase someone as a 110% after getting your 'I AM HERE BUT BLIND' power juked
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They made the perfect adjustment to Ghostface. His problem is that players feel like they have to bring recharge to feel competitive. This gives us flexibility to try other addons without feeling like we were DOA for not bringing chewed pen.
I think Memorial Flower going common was a huge buff. Vanity mirror will probably get just as much play as Scratched now that it’s buffed. I’m excited for the couple of adjustments for Myers.
How’d you feel about Hillbilly’s adjustments?
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Oh yeah those exist. I mean there not bad. It's just I don't think it's gonna change the fact people won't play billy.
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I was talking about the fact that those killers can down someone once and guarantee their death.
Myers is simple to understand because he doesn't even have to down or damage them, he can just press button and mori the person. This fact is not changed just because it has a hefty stalking prerequisite.
Pig can put a trap on you, and if they have Crate of Gears and Tampered Timer, there's a chance that even without being interrupted, you can't even search all the boxes in time, and you die. Pig can also option select you by putting a headtrap on, tunneling you the whole game so that you can't get your headtrap off, so that you either die to not getting your headtrap off, or die from being tunneled. Even if you have BT and DS, the pig can still keep following you and making it to where you can't get your headtrap off. It's a stretch, but it is possible to survive this if everyone gets out and you get the hatch, because that doesn't make the headtrap kill you.
Leatherface is pretty blatant in what he can do. Sure, Hillbilly can also pretty much guarantee a hook trade through his chainsaw, but he has phantom saws and must be very specific with his chainsaw, which might make him fail to hook trade. Leatherface's chainsaw however just lets him mow through everybody, no matter what. So if he gets you down 1 time, he can just camp and then get a positive hook trade when anyone tries to unhook, because the chainsaw hits the BT'd person the moment that they get off hook, so the killer can still catch up even though the BT sprint burst.
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bubba has to throw to guarantee a kill though, inviting survivors to throw as well sure but myers can 3v1 at 5 gens and pig can either have someone die randomly or identify a place to camp boxes for a bit
but no matter how you look at it neither of these compares to instadowning a person or two with t3 and then punting someone out of the game
what takes bubba two minutes at best takes myers about a minute from the start of the game if a bit lucky and then a ~10 sec animation
these are not comparable and i am way more interested in whining about wakizashi saya getting turned into a meme addon
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Yes. All Spirit needed was the stand-still mindgame gone. Then she was fine. But no, they had to mess up a bunch of her good add-ons, and nerf her basekit too.
People complained that they couldn't tell how fast Spirit was during her phase, because she could be using 1 of several add-ons, but needing to know that information seems a bit entitled to me.
When Huntress has wind-up add-ons or flight speed add-ons, how can we tell? We simply pay attention. What about when Blight has a crow or a rat add-on? We can see how fast he's going.
So why is it so different with Spirit? She hits you, you run away, and then she catches up. Is that not enough indication for people? Can't they utilize simple guesswork and process of elimination?
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the sad thing is there is no stand still mindgame vs very well experienced survs because due to bhvr programming the spirit entity isn't left alone and when is replaced by a clone, her animation glitches very slightly
it's just a potato check since vs 90% of my new sbmm .... friends, stand still does nothing but give them free distance, so it's effectively self-sabotage
the people that complain about it are probably like this ace i took a clip of from my earliest days, like of all the things you could complain about in regards to spirit that's what people so often go with lol https://www.twitch.tv/videos/786657232
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