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Will DBD be banned from Steam due to the NFTs?
Steam publicly announced they will ban all games that deal with NFTs or crypto from their platform.
BHVR just announced that they are officially making Pinhead NFTs and posted about it on Twitter today.
Will Steam eventually ban the game from the platform? What will happen to all the data on the accounts of people who play via Steam? Will the game move to a new launcher soon? Barring how you feel about NFTs, the fact is that the oncoming clash between Valve and BHVR will cause some issues for the game and Steam players. Mods/Devs, the community needs some reassurance or information on the situation soon. Thank you for what you do for the game, and I hope to hear back from you all soon.
Update: Steam's Hellraiser DLC Reviews as of 10/18/21 10:30pm PST
Make your voice heard. #DeadByBoycottNFTs
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Yes they will we don’t know what’s happening but DBD could release its last update soon if this happens
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They didn't say they were making them. They said they are partnered with a company that does.
That said, wouldn't be surprised if Steam decided to ban DbD anyhow.
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Considering how adamant steam seems about that rule. I doubt they’d care at all about a loophole like that and will ban it anyway.
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Omg I’m actually scared…
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Probably not. I dont even know how anyone can really think that, it is not like the Devs (or whoever made the decision) are stupid.
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Steam is taking a hard stance on it purely because they don't want to be associated with the idea of NFTs.
Which is curiously, something Epic is taking an opposite stance on. And they seem to be having connections to each other.
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My understanding is that Steam's new rule is more about games which generate/actively contain NFTs, rather than games made by companies who partnered with a different company who made an NFT?
But hey, who knows. This was a stupid move and they might end up paying for it by being booted off Steam- I don't want that but I can't say they wouldn't deserve it.
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BHVR are aware they can get banned from Steam for this (and I hope they do).
This is likely why they have been communicating with Epic as Epic have stated they have no morals regarding NFTs.
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It is probably not going to happen, but there is a risk.
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unfortunately I think they found a loophole, buying the NFT will just "buy" you the chapter and give you extra goodies that are not available in the game
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If u ask me, banning a game like DBD from Steam after their stupid move will make a great example to those upcoming games if they'll ever want to follow trough with such similar plans.
Aka, banning DBD will make a fine example.
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I would love to see Steam take a strong stand against this.
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Still though. I feel there could be a pretty big loss in players if they move to epic instead of steam.
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I certainly hope so.
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Insert John Cena are you sure about that meme lol in all seriousness though dead by daylight started following epic games on social media who accepts NFTs in their games , I'm worried they're cutting ties with steam by doing this
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Might reduce some hackers/cheaters though lol.
But doubt the devs would over look that, plus I believe just the chapter would be void on steam if so
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As sad as it will be in the long term to have a game that I've poured so much effort into over the year I've had it for, be non existent on the only available platform I have to play it on..
A dead part of me will be laughing sardonically in its grave from the knowing strike of karma.
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Could be possible, could not be possible.
But I have the feeling that some people think that BHVR did an oopsie and overlooked it. Which will not be the case.
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BHVR gave the ingame model to the license owner, the license owner is the one selling the model for crypto. The model has no access or value to the game.
Not like the Hellraiser DLC can be purchased ingame with crypto. The license owner just has some keys to give out. Just like if you get keys from Humble Bundle.
If you want to call it a loophole you can.
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Last update? Nah, the game will continue on console
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Console players wouldn't be affected by this and I don't think Steam deletes games from accounts, even if the game itself leaves Steam. I have a friend who owns Guild Wars 1 on Steam, which was available there only very briefly. Still in the library, could still be downloaded (probably, I haven't asked him to check that).
So IF Dbd gets kicked off Steam the existing playerbase would remain the same, minus everyone who quit(s) because of NFTs. I don't think the NFT situation in Dbd violates the Steam policy because it's a separate company doing it, but then again this whole situation is pretty unprecedented as far as I can tell (in terms of video games + NFTs, not Dbd specifically) so maaaaaybe Valve will set a precedent here? To stop other companies from bypassing the Steam NFT policy by "outsourcing" the NFT stuff to a separate company.
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Goodluck with that.
Pretty sure @Pulsar has choice words about console optimization.
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I don’t know DBD on pc is like taking out the Death Star once DBD on PC is done there is no recovery they can’t come back
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I doubt it. There's no NFTs inside the game.
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Wouldn't that be a massive bite in the ass
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I just wish we could get some clarification on if they're moving platforms or not, I'm not purchasing another thing until they explain themselves, if I'm gonna lose everything I've got in game then they need to come out and say it, it's total bullshit to leave your player base hanging when an event is about to start
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The thing is that technically you could avoid the Steam NFT ban by having it run through a separate company. From the information that's available it doesn't sound like BHVR is profiting off the NFTs, so it's probably fine, but at the same time I could see Valve wanting to set a precedent.
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From what I can tell and like that other comment said it seems like steam doesn’t want to be associated at all. I genuinely think people trying to use a loophole (if that’s what they’re actually doing) will probably get them banned even faster.
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They know exactly what they're doing. Shameless
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You can get DLC codes through an NFT partnership, AND the NFT company was provided the keys by the developers, so I agree this might actually get the game banned after all. I don't know how this whole key business works but most likely BHVR didn't have to pay for the keys they gave to the NFT company, which means technically Valve lost out on money that was then indirectly given to an NFT company.
This is certainly an interesting situation. The Steam NFT ban is very recent (I think from last week Friday or so?) but the Dbd NFT deal has been in the works for months (according to the official Dbd Twitter). They almost certainly haven't planned for this or known about the Steam NFT ban in advance but because of contractual obligations they had to go through with the NFT deal anyway.
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From what other comments are implying they may have seen something along these lines coming since they are supposedly working with epic now.
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I knew it all along
That last update was too good to be true. Every time BHVR does something amazing it's followed by bad news. I knew it was leading up to this. BHVR can't push out an amazing update without any strings attached.
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The Steam NFT ban doesn't have 'loopholes' because it is entirely a self enforced standard by the platform done in order to avoid negative brand perception or to achieve certain real world goals/
The question is not 'Is DBD technically a crypto game now?' Because it isn't, and it doesn't meet Steam's stated definition of a game that is on the blockchain.
The real question is 'What is the cost-benefit analysis Valve running in regards to NFTs and their relationships with gamedevs, their competition, the consumerbase, the law, and their morals?' If Steam is doing this to avoid directly being linked to money laundering via NFTs, for example, they probably wouldn't care about this that much, while if it is a moral stance and they are trying to kill NFT games as an industry they would want to take a hard line. And if it is a PR move it depends on how agitated people visibly get about DBD getting in bed with NFTs. A ban is probably unlikely for many reasons (for one this was clearly in the works for a long time and it would negatively affect Steam's relationships with other businesses to boot them off the platform and essentially destroy them for not seeing an announcement coming months in advance), but maybe they are talking to BHVR about not doing this again or something, or maybe they don't care, or maybe they are gunna drop the hammer despite it not technically violating their policy.
Who knows? B2B stuff and licensing deals is always individual agreement, and it is hard to say with any certainty how it will play out. Dead By Daylight is steam's 11th most popular game though so nuking it from the shop would be extreme, especially when they are obviously courting Epic Games if they need to jump ship.
As for the statement 'DBD isn't profiting from the NFT' well... that is naïve to the extreme. Even if DBD isn't being directly handed NFT stuff, they are in a partnership where they are promoting an NFT. There is clearly some sort of exchange going on where they have decided they will benefit in some way from linking this brand to an NFT, even if it isn't a direct exchange of money and they don't actually get rewarded at all based on how well this NFT does.
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Bhvr didn't do anything, it was the license holders using Bhvr's assets. Bhvr is in the clear, but if the current owners tried doing anything on steam they would be in trouble.
Bhvr is fine
Edit: Ignore this. Disregard this message completely.
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I thought this was just a joke / meme but oh my god it's real:
Amazing
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why though
you would be happy to see steam take money away from over 300,000 players
20$ plus all cosmetics, rift passes, dlc, cells, and all the ranks and limited items earned
if they don't do something fast we steam players will lose all of are stuff
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I would have rather it not come to this but its gone too far. BHVR arent the indie company they were when they started. They've joined the ranks of the triple As who are willing to sacrifice the planet for a quick buck.
I've put in as much into this game as anyone. I have bought all the chapters, rifts, and a tonne of cosmetics. But they're gone too far.
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I have to imagine that at least someone at bhvr has a brain and talk to a legal team about this and probably contacted steam as well, cause there is no way those NFT's revenue would be worth getting banned from the platform but giving bhvr the benefit of the doubt is probably too much so who knows honestly.
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no, it's not going to happen. don't listen to dumb internet drama.
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No one who owns Dbd would lose anything. Games are removed from Steam all the time, if you own them before they are removed you keep everything and can still download them whenever, including DLC. The only thing that actually gets removed is the option to purchase the game.
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I'm sorry. I know I'm a dinosaur to a lot of you, but what is a NFT?
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watch this he explains it
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Super condensed version: An NFT is like a digital receipt that says you own a JPEG, without any actual enforcement of that ownership, and the system that generates that receipt uses more energy than some small countries + is doing serious harm to the environment. They're a scam, and they're unjustifiable for legitimate businesses to associate with.
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First they say they won't do nft crap, now they say they don't, and it will cost them their main userbase because steam will ban the game. nice
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Given the way Steam's support system works, we can't even ask them about it directly T_T
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but to sum it up it's a crypto currency that makes it so when you buy something using it you own it but can't keep it
there will be only one original that the owner owns
you just buy the rights to say you own it
dbd is selling the pinhead model to other people and that is a VERY BIG no no when it comes the the licensing agreement between hellraiser/steam and BHVR
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Additionally, what I find ridiculous about it is that NFTs can be just about anything. I can screenshot a reply to a Tweet and sell it as an NFT if I wanted to. Now how is that a balanced or even sensible kind of currency in general, much less crypto?
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The more important question: can and will we get refunds for stuff we bought on steam, as these are special circumstances
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LMAO! If BHVR legitimately switches to Epic, that's a surefire way they'll definitely never receive money from me ever again. Steam has problems, but Epic is way, way worse of a company.
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I don't know how much money bhvr is making off these NFT's but How can it be worth not only being kicked off the largest PC platform by a large degree but also losing so much player trust
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