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Anyone Else Feeling Like Taking A Hiatus Right Now? (Another Rant Thread)
So, I started DbD just over a year ago - shortly before the Blight patch, if I recall. Loved the concept, got into it in a big way.
Watched videos, read guides and started doing decently. Sunk almost 100 hours in before I knew it.
Then BHVR removed killer matchmaking and after a week of being hammered flat and gloated at by SWF groups with thousands of more hours than me in the game, I quit.
Came back just after MMR was introduced and fell in love again. Most of my matches felt even, whether I got a 1k or a 4k. I didn't have to go balls-to-the-wall every game, because I'd find an MMR spot where my style and proclivities (I tend to be an overly nice killer) would work, and I'd still kill 2, occasionally 3.
Then...this patch.
Woof.
- Buggy, brutally overpowered boon totems that you can't cleanse.
- DC penalty removed, so every match I'm not getting rolled, I'm having at least 1 person DC the second I down them.
- Either matchmaking was disabled, or broken entirely. There is no reason that I, as a sub-200 hour player should be going up against 3man SWF groups with thousands of hours between them 5 or 6 times in a row, who inevitably stomp me flat and teabag me all the way to the gates. I don't think I've suffered as many 3 and 4 outs in a row as I have over the last two days. You'd think that MMR would help but...nope. Just a miserable experience.
- From above, prepatch I could goof off a little, bring some odd perks and addons, maybe try to learn a new killer or two. I now have to pick meta perks and play ultra sweaty - camping, slugging, the whole shebang, just to get 1 or 2 kills. Something really isn't right here.
- Far too many games where 2 gens are done before a minute has passed, and I've had several where 3 or 4 get done before I even have my first chase.
- RPD makes Haddonfield feel like...well, still bad, but way better than RPD. And more than half my games today were in this sodding hellhole.
- Not a game goes by now where I don't wonder if someone is hacking. Seriously, I'm seeing so many SWF groups with legacy skins at my (certainly) terrible MMR that I'm wondering if they are hacking their MMR too.
- Wraith and Slinger gutted, despite being mid-tier at best. Wraith feels almost as bad as he did pre-rework.
- Endless other petty gripes that are easy to ignore when you are having fun, but sort of gang up on you when you are already frustrated.
All in all, this game has gone from being a fun adrenaline rush to a frustrating experience that makes me want to eat a kitten sundae.
Probably going to take a week or so off (my guess is that BHVR will extend the Halloween event, with the state of the game right now I can't imagine them not doing so) and see how things lie when I return.
At least the new PoE season just started, which will likely be better for my blood-pressure at least.
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Same tbh. Last night is the first time i got sick and tired or being tunneled. And going against swfs that are way better than me while i try to learn a killer. Devs should of removed mmr while they removed dc penalities.
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Wraith wasn't really gutted. He is little bit harder to play, but I still play him time to time. DS is dead for me tho.
"2 gens are done before a minute has passed" It's actuallly because of this event, survivors are using good tool-boxes to finish event gens a lot now.
Bugs, well this is DBD, it's expected in every patch...
RPD sucks, but that's not problem of this patch.
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I think the company is doing fine, personally.
They only had a few hiccups around this patch when you think about it.
For example:
- Game crashes related to their big debut perk (circle of healing)
- Infinite loading screens
- Uncleansable boon totems
- Multiple maps disabled
- People disconnecting left and right due to removed penalties
- The original denial of being involved NFTs, following by a tweet saying they've been working for months with Boss on them
- The outcome of the NFT images (LOL)
- Long-standing members of the forum community banned or leaving
- Lackluster Halloween event after claiming they're canceling all other events to make them better a year ago
- Hackers ruining general gameplay
- Hackers holding people hostage in games
- Hackers interfering with the report system to bypass it
- Hackers taking control of their discord, with people apparently being held hostage in there and hackers using the N word in these official channels
- Terrible optimization problems, as per usual
- The treatment of some killers this patch (varies from person to person)
- Few to no response from the developers on any of these issues for extended periods of time
Wouldn't be surprised if I missed a few either.
I think they've done a pretty good job so far this time around.
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Edit 1: Oh, forgot to add the following:
- Terrible new character images (David's bee-stung face in particular)
- The new perk names for the Stranger Things Content
- The outright removal of the Hawkin's map offerings with no compensation
- The early removal of the Stranger Things cosmetic store
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I have no idea what's going on.
Last night, my 'new' killers were running into the SWFs, but my 'good' killers were still having decent matches.
Now it's just nuts.
I think one of 3 things happened.
- Due to the connection problems, survivor queues got silly long again so they disabled matchmaking to speed it up.
- Matchmaking was disabled to try and stop the connection issues. I think one of these is the most likely, as suddenly my queues are instant but the matches are terrible.
- High level survivors are abusing the removed DC penalty to smurf their MMR down rapidly to stupidly low levels.
Either way, sick of this.
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Yeah, I've barely played since this year's Halloween update came out. Half the games are infinite loading screens, playing killer with MMR is extremely unfun 90% of the time, and most maps are just too survivor sided anyway.
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Wraith may just be an issue of...whatever is happening with MMR. All I know is that I went from doing pretty decently on him to getting absolutely shellacked game after game. Regardless, the only thing that needed a nerf about him was his purple addon - if that.
I try not to give the devs too hard of a time, as nobody expected DbD to become and remain as popular as it did. Sort of a case of a moose winning a sportscar.
Until this patch though, it really felt like the game was in a spot where I could really enjoy it. I'm an...older gentleman, with crap reflexes and eyesight - and MMR meant that I'd be put up against survivors of a similar level.
Whatever's happened though, be it the removal of the DC penalty or the MMR system being suspended (I still remember when they disabled killer matchmaking entirely for months because red-rank survivors were complaining about queue times) - something is completely busted right now.
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Do you play on pc?
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If I quit, the game wins.
Dark Souls has taught me that is no bueno.
Ergo, I continue.
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I took yesterday off...
I won't be taking months off unless another game comes out that I'm able to get... Or something happened to me IRL
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Yup. Why?
I understand the mindset. You get into a loop where you go 'okay, let me get one decent game in so I can end today on a good note'. Then it's 4am and you are getting told to uninstall, because the games full in the postgame lobby by another ridiculous PC SWF with 4000 hours between them.
Eventually it reaches critical mass and it's either take a long break, or attempt to detonate the entire internet by sticking a grenade between your butt-cheeks and jumping onto a laptop.
Ah, the joys of being middle-aged. You can afford all the games you want (except that most of them just gather dust on your Steam list because the new Path of Exile season started, and your wife wants to play Heroes of the Storm with you).
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Lets swf one day! Im not too good but not to bad either... tho i am a ttver but im not toxic. Too small of a viewership to be full of myself
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I almost always play killer (I'm bad...but me playing survivor is like a chicken trying to drive a truck) - but sure. I'll assume your Twitch is the same as your forum handle?
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That's nice of ya, I personally can't resist drilling into them when they drop the ball.
Honestly I think it's because I literally grew up on multiple games they developed in the past (Jersey Devil, Bugs Bunny, The Grinch, etc.) and used to be pretty positive about this game when it first came out in 2016. Even if this game's success caught them with their pants down, there's just been so many public relation mistakes in conjunction with errors in general game design, balance, etc for the last 5 years that I think have just made me gradually more bitter.
Even then though, I still like this game and want it to do better.
Hopefully things will return to being fun for you and others (myself included) and one day we'll see less disasters akin to this patch.
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Just waitin on the game to not be broken tyvm
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Yea... no
I am middle aged (30) but I have no money to my name (like 5$ or so)
So I can't afford (Bad Word) right now
Plus if a new game does come out that I like I'll have to ask my mom for it... lol (embarrassed laughter)... and then it'll have to hook me right off the bat or it'll be back to this or Overwatch
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We'll see.
The problem is that I have a sort of inertia, in that when I quit something it tends to be long term (aside from smoking, but that's a different matter). Games in particular.
Woof mate, hope things turn around for you. Pandemic has been rough on some trades.
It's one area where being married is awesome - it's so much cheaper when you can live/cook/do stuff together, and you wind up with tons of disposable income. Even if one of you loses their job, the other can temporarily pick up the slack.
What do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking?
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No. My twitch is bullet92 if youre up for some games now ill get out of bed and play a few and dm you discord info
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I'm actually heading to bed right now, but I'll hit you up on...Wednesday maybe (need to be productive tomorrow, was a potato today).
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No problem man
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I haven't worked in like 5 years
So I'm living off of my mom (and I hate it)
I have put in applications all over where I live but no one seems interested in what I can bring
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I already am.
I first started playing DBD in December of 2018, roughly around Legion's release. And I can safely say that, until July of 2019, it was the best I've ever played in my life.
The reworks and unnecessary changes killed this game bit by bit for me, to the point where I couldn't take it anymore and I left. It is not the best outcome for someone who really loved the game, but I simply couldn't stay anymore.
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I can survive any change BHVR makes but the hackers running free crosses the line. I doubt they'll ever fix it tho.
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Yeah, I've been thinking about taking a long break. The only thing that's keeping me playing this game right now is the Rift.
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Do you have a university degree of any sort?
If so - look into teaching English abroad. Thailand, Japan, Vietnam, Korea - easy to get into, decent wages and most of them will train you for free.
It's a tricky one.
On one hand, EAC is a joke.
On the other hand, hackers are becoming crazily sophisticated, and even games like COD and Overwatch with top tier proprietary anti-cheats still have hackers.
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I haven't played in a week. Don't see myself playing soon.
MMR started off well but has slowly become awful.
There's no consistency. My killer games are super easy or the grand final of BOTB. I feel like a jerk if I take a full sweat build and 4k at 4 gens, and then I feel bad when I don't go full sweat and run into a squad where I need it. I have 3200 hrs and get survivors with 100 hrs a game after 4king a 10k hr SWF. Why?
Same thing with survivor. There seems to be two types of matches it will place a high MMR survivor in: 4 high MMR survivors+high MMR killer or 2 high survivors/2 low survivors+average killer. The former is good and the latter is an awful experience for the high MMR players.
If I see survivors with under 500 hrs, I can usually back out and re-queue to get a better lobby. That's what leads me to believe there are two possible placement conditions. But I can't check hrs of console players. I feel like I'm often being penalized for being good by being placed with new players and expected to carry. I get a killer who can't catch me and teammates who can't do gens or run that same killer. Like I said, it's miserable.
I feel like I'm often wasting my time when I load up DbD. I just want to have fun, and there's a 50% that isn't going to happen
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yeah killer's ######### trash now
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I’ve been on hiatus since a few days after MMR released, and unless NFTs and a patch that makes the game unplayable in several ways count as important stuff that I should come back for, I have no intentions of coming back until MMR is either fixed or removed
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Nope. If I have a bad night, I'll stop and play something else. I love the game, but it doesn't mean I can't stop playing for a day or two.
Nothing is more important than your health and if you feel you need to take a long break, then do it. If you can't because you're addicted (and this is meant as a general disclaimer), get some help-- gaming addiction is a real thing. You may even find that cutting all ties, including visiting any forums or watching any videos is the only way to go instead of staying attached to something that is doing you harm.
Anyway, my advice is to just take a week off and don't visit these complaint-heavy forums and letting it get into your head, thereby making your hiatus meaningless. Good luck.
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Eh, I have other games to play and plenty of work to do around the house to keep me occupied.
This thread is more of a 'I was having fun again, but then BHVR totally broke something' rant thread.
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I'm there with you though, somewhat on the flipside. Almost every other match I play as Survivor I get camped on my first hook until I die and watch my teammates die to NOED / lucky if 1-2 escape after having to gen rush due to face camping.
I just want to get better at looping naturally in solo queue without my rank 1 friends "boosting" me and it's just been absolute hell because so many killers are utilizing the face camp + NOED strategy to secure 2 kills for net MMR gain and it makes me so sad to see that.
SO I've been playing Killer more lately, especially since my OG main Plague got some much needed love this update and I have been enjoying it so so much. That being said I can only play Killer so much until I feel alone and decide to go play something else so.. Yeah lol
But yeah my joy lately is from playing killer since I can actually play a full match and do things. It's also fun when survivors goof around, I like events like this when we all bring cake and party streamer offerings and farm with each other since I'm eternally on a BP grind.
But yeahhh.. Literally the only reason I'm forcing myself to play a lot lately is for Plague's Maiden of Vanity cosmetic in the Rift, I NEED it. Otherwise I would not be playing much if at all tbqh. I'm holding out for Endwalker on ffxiv next month but DBD is always in the back, it's my guilty pleasure and I can never escape it but I can take hiatuses lol
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Kind of sympathize with the killers too.
I know that since the patch, I've had to switch to sweaty perks and strategies, or else I just get run over in maybe 2/3 of my games.
Naturally the other third is complete newcomers, who I end up running over.
Yeah, this isn't fun.
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I actually liked this patch a lot. I think the spirit changes were needed and are healthy, as well as most others. I personally think they should have sped up wraith while uncloaking, because they nerfed his uncloak speed after buffing his uncloak lunge speed. Now, without addons, it's really hard to hit anyone while coming out of cloak.
What's been stuck in my craw is the things matt cote has said. I cannot get it out of my head, that recent interview with paulie esther and "the king", which only makes me hearken back to when he said "if you're not having fun, go play something else". I think of these things whenever I get frustrated with this game and remind myself that it's not the game as much as it is the decisions made by the team that is balancing the game. So, I always need to remind myself that maybe I, or we all, should go play something else.
Don't get me wrong, like others are saying, DBD is a fun game, and it's a good game in general. But more specifically, it's a pvp game, and by the standards of what make a pvp game good, it is not a very good game. They can fix that, I just don't know if they want to, which is what's so frustrating, because anyone who likes this game a lot has to slog through the reconciliation of quitting after having invested much time.
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Your experience as killer has been all I have experienced as a console player since the mid-chapter went live. Many people are having this issue, and like many pointed out on my rant thread a day or two ago, Dead by Daylight is not able to have an MMR system in its current state. There is too many things wrong balance wise and too many things to take into account for MMR to work nicely.
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Mm. This sometimes seems to happen when a small developer achieves success - it goes to their head and suddenly they don't believe they can do anything wrong (see: flashlight stun fiasco) regardless of feedback or common-sense. Eventually the game starts experiencing a sort of heat death, where certain types of players just start leaving en-masse and the game suffers. They then either reverse themselves, or go down with the ship.
'Go play something else' is...worrying.
It reminds me of a recent fiasco with another game I have a love/hate relationship with - Path of Exile. In the previous season, the developers made a number of really badly considered changes to make the game more 'hardcore', and essentially said 'well, we know people are going to leave and we really don't care'.
Sure enough, the season was a bomb and they started to reverse themselves in the next season - but the community had already taken a big hit.
I have a feeling that DbD is eventually going to reach a critical mass where either they'll just admit that they really don't want survivors to be killed at all and allow teams to just play against a bot killer, or start turning killer into at-least slightly more of a power role. Possibly by reworking the numerous maps that are hated by nearly every killer. Of course this will prompt a tsunami of complaints from survivors - and that's the problem right there.
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Yeah, pretty close to just finding something else to play. It seems heavily like the design philosophy of the devs is that players should main survivor and only switch to killer every now and then.
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The thing is - MMR was actually working pretty decently before the patch.
I'd get the odd bizarro match from time to time (probably a result of people smurfing down their MMR in SWF groups) but most of them were at least fun, win or lose. The whole point of the MMR system, as stated by the devs, was that people who didn't want to play sweaty would find a spot in the MMR system where they wouldn't need to, and would be up against opponents conducive to this approach.
Now though, things are bonkers. Either high level survivors are using the removed DC penalty to drop their MMR rapidly to crush low-intermediate skill players like myself or the matchmaking system has been secretly disabled for killers (as has happened in the past) or broken. Or perhaps I've chain-lossed myself into a special sort of MMR hell consisting of smurfing SWFs, where losing only makes you more likely to encounter them.
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I'm gonna be honest, I didn't play a lot when the MMR first came out on console. So I don't know about what it was like then. But yeah, it is terrible now. I don't think it is smurfing. Something just seems off. Like killer MMR is not dropping the way it should be or SWF isn't being averaged right
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I've already quit DBD for now, don't know when I'll get back into it but I've done it before for a couple months and it was really nice.
If you gotta take a break, take a break fam, I've already noticed myself being happier and less frustrated/angry at every little thing and I've started to get back into Halo which has been a blast as well. It's always healthy to take a break when something makes you feel that way, it's just a game afterall.
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From my purely anecdotal observations:
- Before the patch, things were mostly good. Some odd matches (either I got put up against a group who had no chance against me, or vice versa) but mostly things felt balanced.
- Post patch, initially my 'mid MMR' killers (those I was somewhat experienced on and probably had a decent middling MMR) still had fair games for a while.
- My 'low MMR' killers (those I was learning) were suddenly getting chimped by incredibly good, sweaty SWF groups, game after game.
- After about a day, all of my matches were either against complete newcomers, ridiculously stacked SWFs or - most frequently - a 1500-3000 hour 3man SWF and a complete newcomer.
This makes me think that smurfing due to the DC penalty removal is the culprit, but I honestly have no idea. I'll check back in in a week or so, and if it's not fixed I'll probably take another year's break.
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I read somewhere about a bug that is causing newer, lesser played killers to have only a slightly lower MMR than your best killer so that could explain your issue when trying to learn new killers.
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It's not a bug. Basically, your new killers have an MMR bound slightly below your best killer (note: this is only rumored, and I can't talk more about where this claim came from without risking a forum ban, was warned last time I discussed it).
However, this doesn't explain why my 'main' killers face less skilled survivors than my 'new' killers, or why even after getting slaughtered in 10 matches straight I'm only facing stronger opponents.
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I deleted the game the night they announced the NFTs were real. And after seeing the issues plaguing this patch, I'm glad I did, and don't see myself coming back for quite some time.
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Maps werent disabled though, map offerings were.
You do realize the DC penalty got removed BECAUSE hackers kept people hostage?
Uncleansable hexes have been an issue since the inception of hex totems.
They didnt deny the NFT's, read the tweet again, they simply stated they gave access to the license holders to their assets. Never did they say they didnt work on it.
You cant really complain about hackers in general, there will always be hackers. The time it takes for hackers to be banned, sure, thats a complaint.
The halloween event is literally better than it's ever been, you cant really create a halloween event in DBD without creating an entirely new gamemode, and that gamemode has to fit with DBD's existing mechanics because otherwise you're essentially creating an entirely new game. "b-b-b-b-but halloween events in 2017 were good", not really, they were a nice change, but they essentially slowed games down to a gigantic extend that Ruin can be jealous of, gave killers the power to decide who does and doesnt get points, meaning you kinda wanted to only play killer in those events cus otherwise you'd be #########, meaning no one would play survivor.
As for the treatment of players, I mean, that applies to both sides. Lots of killers essentially holding games hostage with old Undying claiming they were "only playing the game their way". Or did you mean the balancing? Because the balancing was quite good. Yeah, annoying killers got nerfed a bit. But lots of killers got buffed. Spirit doesnt really need anything, really, she's still comparable to Blight, she's just no longer stronger than Nurse(considering all maps and addons, not just their basekit). Deathslinger does need minor adjustments to compensate, I am still kinda baffled why they changed his ADS movementspeed addons out of the PTB, they didnt really need changing tbh considering the terror radius is bigger too, but I am assuming that combined with M&A and the ADS TR reduction addon would have been a bit much. I'd argue against that, as I'd think that combination would at least require 3 slots now, while back in the day it only needed 1 slot.
As for the last 4 points:
David having a potato face could easily be due to a different issue that would need to be solved first, you might patch up the face and next patch have Jake with bee stings. Solving that issue would be worth more.
The names for the perks needed to be renamed due to license agreements, BHVR would be breaking license agreements if they kept the old names.
There have been plenty of things straight up removed without compensation, just like things being added without you having to pay anything for it. Pig's addon changes literally means you gained 1k BP per workshop grease addon and 3k BP per VHS tape without you paying anything extra for it.
As for the early removal, you can still purchase the outfits. It's a bit of a preparation leave for the characters so they can be removed fully on the day they need to be, because if they stick around after that day, they would be breaking license agreements. DBD never had to deal with removing things from the roster, so it's a bit clunkier.
There are issues with DBD and BHVR, but not all of them are issues because of them. Especially considering a lot of the devs want to make changes that the player base wants, but they cant because their changes have to go through the people who created the vision of DBD, and if they disagree, the change isnt put in. McLean basically pulled a "I am leaving, but before I leave, I dont want a severance package, I want these changes in the game" to get his changes through.
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Dang, you're passionate.
My post was mainly to highlight the list of problems this time around, and reflect that back at their current and past performance standards which I personally find lacking. In that way, due to the length of the post, I won't respond to the justifications you give to their mistakes or actions because you're entitled to your opinion on them. If the reasons you provide are enough to satisfy you into their allowance, that's awesome.
I'm mainly just happy to have someone who opposes my stance acknowledging the issues exist.
That said, I will admit I should have specified map offerings. But hey, just replacing one point for another.
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For the NFTs though, they did have a strongly worded twitter comment that clearly implied denial which was later deleted. You can see it here:
Followed by acknowledgement:
You can nitpick on their wording, or say they didn't know. Again, your justifications are your own.
I personally feel bad for the team for this one, because I don't think many of them did know or support it. But their higher ups did allow it and the first post demonstrates to me an initial denial (likely due to an inner lack of transparency) that turned into admittance, and I don't wanna let it go that easily.
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The only other thing would be to specify that my stance on the new names isn't that I dislike that they're being removed, it's that I dislike the new names themselves. They don't really suit my style. But again, that one's opinion based. I'm only mentioning it because it clarifies the opinion that I can speak for, my own.
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Not really because of the event. If you play killer enough you know that 1 or 2 gen pop almost always at the start of a match, just when you downed someone and hooked him. Its a common thing.
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I feel the same, i know what expect me if im going to play killer right now and i prefer to pass and save myself a neck pain 😁
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Just on the Disconnection penalty point, my understanding is they do occasionally turn it off when there's a bug or hack that is causing game crashes. I'm guessing they don't want lots of people getting temporary time outs through no fault of their own. Once the crash they're worried about is fixed though they turn the DC time outs back on.
So yeah, it's annoying seeing more people than usual rage quitting, it's super disrespectful to all the other players in the match when that happens. But hopefully they'll get it back on "soon". 🤷♂️
P.S. I think I'm the opposite of the original post in timing in a sense. I played for a while up until some time after Blight came out, then I got sidetracked with other games and got away from DbD until a couple weeks ago. I'm still shaking the rust off but it's still fun. 🙂
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im gonna finish the mini tome in the most dirty way I have to and peace out a bit.
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I feel that although you can always just learn a skill on your free time that makes money, like music, art, Being a shithead on YouTube.
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I'm about ready to with this Dead Hard Hit Validation BS
Being a killer is frustrating enough with all the crap we have to deal with against good survivors. The Pallet Hit Validation is still super annoying but I can at least somewhat guesstimate when that is going to happen (since...you know...a pallet has to be involved) but now at any point in the GD game, I can get a LOL JK hit where the game tells me I hit someone and then pulls the rug out from under me and tells me never mind.
Unfortunately too, I can't imagine they're going to roll back this change given that they didn't roll back the Pallet Hit Validation stuff either. So a slight hiatus could very well become a permanent one as right now, playing killer is gonna give me a Goddamn aneurysm as my body kills itself in frustration.
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