Does Jeepers Creepers have another chance to be in the game with the new movie?
As you guys might know, i new Jeepers Creepers movie is coming out, this one is a complete reboot with new staff, completely from scratch with no attachments to the old ones. So no bad rep attached to this one.
So with that in mind, does the Creeper have another chance to be in the game? If not, i understand, but could this work?
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In general the creation of Jeepers Creepers is still attached to Victor Salva and it doesn't matter if there is a reboot. Victor was a sick man and the less attention and fame he gets the better.
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he still created the franchis same staff or not
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If so, it would be amazingly horrifying to have a flying killer in the game!
The devs have said that flying killers would be very tough because the maps look weird from high up, but what if the Creeper's POV stays on the ground while the Creeper's model flies through the air?
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Really sucks the Creeper was pulled into this. Was and still am a big fan of the character. The content should not suffer but does.
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Unless BHVR changed their mind, no.
They said they will never put the Creeper into this game. There will always be a stigma attached to the name.
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In order to make this new movie, screen media had to purchase the rights to jeepers creepers. Meaning they had to pay victor salva to make it. Like it or not, if you pay to see the new movie you're still indirectly supporting him, since he's already profited from the new movie ahead of time.
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I understand why this makes it unlikely for a developer to want to touch the franchise, but this is terrible logic.
If we discarded everything amazing that was invented by problematic people, we wouldn't have rockets, electricity or cars.
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Everything you listed has a practical use, and the inventors of all have been dead for at the very least decades. We, as consumers, can do nothing about the inventors being ######### people. They're dead, and their inventions have spread all over the world.
Jeepers Creepers is just a horror movie and has no practical use.
Victor Salva is still very much alive. He's a terrible person and his work does not deserve to be put in the spotlight, even if he's not directly attached to the project.
You're comparing electricity, one of the backbones of modern society, to a dumb horror movie. They are not comparable.
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It depends how you want to look at it. I think that all media has a practical use.
To me, it's like trying to ban The Jungle Book or Huckleberry Finn. I'm a big proponent of Death of the Author - media should be enjoyed separately from it's creator.
There is another, bigger and much more complicated issue here though, and one that's probably going to rustle some feathers.
When someone commits a crime, goes to jail and is released, completes their probation or what have you and commits no further crimes - he or she should be clear (within reason). The formerly incarcerated suffer massive prejudices in society, from a lack of voting rights to constant surveillance. I'm not a fan of that, because it's saying that offenders can never be rehabilitated and need to be punished until they die - which is a pretty dark road to go down.
Salva commited a crime. For doing that thing, he went to prison, served his probation and has never reoffended. I have no love for the man, but right now, as a society, we are way too prone to collective vigilantism.
Woof, heavy stuff for a gaming forum, but I think that it's an interesting and important topic.
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Until Victor Salva dies the slow, painful and lonely death he deserves, it will never happen
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Stop it with the licenses
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Never happening.
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I don't think Victor being a POS should have ever gotten in the way of the Creeper coming in DBD. They should just get him already. They should've gotten him a while ago.
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"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
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Maybe if the new owner is into NFTs or otherwise destroying the planet? (Sorry couldn’t resist)
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I don't really care; seperating art from artist is like 1st grade common sense. Creepers dope. Let em in.
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The formerly incarcerated suffer massive prejudices in society
He was a pedo, it's deserved.
from a lack of voting rights to constant surveillance
He was a pedo, surveillance is sure as hell deserved.
it's saying that offenders can never be rehabilitated and need to be punished until they die
He was a pedo, punishment until his death is deserved.
Salva commited a crime. For doing that thing, he went to prison, served his probation and has never reoffended
That changes nothing, he will always be associated with the Jeepers Creepers license no matter who owns it in the future. Also do you really think the victim and everyone involved will view it that way? Morally it will never be forgotten, especially by that poor victim, they have to live with that for the rest of their life.
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Media does have its uses, but it's nowhere near as important nor impactful as things like electricity or cars.
The difference is, once again, both are over a century old at this point. They were written in a far different time. Jeepers Creepers was released in 2001. Salva was convicted for terrible crimes in 1994. I think art should be separated from the author to a certain degree, yes, but to what degree is hard to say. I've always enjoyed Lovecraft's work-- But as someone who enjoys the genre of horror he helped create, I have to recognize his blatant xenophobia and racism.
I can see where you're coming from to a degree, but nothing will change the fact that Salva is a pedophile. He ruined a child's life. He did a terrible, terrible thing and it isn't collective vigilantism. Victor Salva does not deserve to have his work put in any sort of spotlight. Nothing will change my mind, and I'm not sorry about that.
It is an important topic, and I appreciate how calmly you argue your points, but it's likely best we stop here. The mods have a history of not liking this topic.
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Not when the creator was a ######### paedophile.
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If BHVR has standards and doesn’t want to be associated with a monster like that that is actually a very good trait. Should have shown the same kind of backbone while working with the owners of the Pinhead owners regarding NFTs.
we don’t need every one of those licenses if it costs too much (not speaking solely about money)
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I hope they keep jeepers creepers far away from this game forever. That franchise is forever tainted
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We would probably still have rockets even without Operation Paperclip it would have just taken longer. We'd still have cars as multiple people and multiple companies came up different iterations of the Motorized Carriage. We would still have electric considering more people than Edison had a vested interest in seeing the technology expand and though infeasible Tesla wanted to supply people with electricity for free.
The idea of separating the creation from the creator is a valid way to address issues such as this, but becomes harder to do while the creator still lives and profits off of their creation. They are intertwined on a level that makes supporting one difficult if it supports the other and unlike cars, rockets, or electricity Jeepers Creeper isn't a creation that serves the public good, aid in exploration and defense, or improve the ability of goods, people, and services to be moved around a vast country.
So it isn't terrible logic by any means.
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Its like saying I can't enjoy or want Cosmic Horror books because Lovecraft was a racist.
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Lovecraft was born in a time where that was the norm, was likely a very sick man, and died before that was seen as negative. It doesn't excuse him for his actions, but it explains them to a certain degree.
Victor Salva is a man living in a modern world, and he still chose to do what he did. Once again, they are not comparable. One is a terrible way of thinking, the other is a literal crime that ruined a child's life.
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So what your telling me is if enough people like the art we can come up with excuses to enjoy the art and separate it from the artist.
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Victor Salva was a Paedophile, let me repeat, a PAEDOPHILE
elaboating further is unnecessary, detailing his crimes would probably get me banned, end of discussion
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Mm. We think very differently.
I worked in corrections, and - while it's not always easy - I think that it's important to leave punishments for crimes to the justice system, especially after a sentence+probation has been served. It's something that we are told as guards, time and time again - it's not for us to dispense additional punishments on people who are already in prison for a crime, and that holds doubly true after.
It's really hard when it's a crime like this, but if we make it impossible for someone to ever put their crime behind them, ostracize them and prevent them from earning a living, not only are we saying that they can never be rehabilitated, but we are making this come true.
Here, we have a man who did something horrible 30 years ago. He served a sentence, completed probation and never reoffended. I'm fine not letting him be around kids unsupervised, but that should be the end of it.
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Holy crap! There's a new Jeepers Creepers coming out?! That's awesome, I used to love those movies when I was a kid! haha
Justin Long! XD Never really see him anymore, what a random actor he has been in so much random stuff.
Anyways, Jeepers Creepers would be hell of fun to play in DBD - if they could make it work I would be down, but for some reason I feel that it's doubtful.
Bad Rep? Huh, not that it was an all time favorite or anything but everyone I've ever met where the original movies have been brought up in conversations seemed to have liked the films and remembered them similarly to how I do.
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The bed rep is regarding what the original Dev did. You do know what happened, right?
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Smelling Survivor's fear scent?
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Yes.
He did something truly awful. Utterly despicable.
For doing this, he was given a prison sentence and served probation. He is still not permitted access to children, unsupervised - which is fine.
Now, this is in no way apologist for what he did, but once someone's sentence is concluded, we - as a society - should not endeavor to punish them further. We shouldn't ostracize or prevent someone from earning a living, because the entire goal of the corrections system is to turn bad guys into proper citizens and this makes it impossible.
If we really don't think that rehabilitation and change is possible as a society, we should probably be handling crime and punishment very differently (and that would be a very dark world).
If we do, then we need to act like we do and, common-sense precautions aside, we attempt to help people make that change. Here, in particular, when the offense was over a generation ago, he expressed remorse and never reoffended.
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You literally would not know he made Jeepers until you looked it up.
And this is really pushing it. By this logic, Minecraft should be canceled because Notch had wrong beliefs.
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IF Victor Salva doesn't own the license or franchise anymore, and IF he can't get any monetary gain from the new movie or from BHVR introducing the character, then Maybe we'll see the Creeper in DbD... but those are some big IF's. Otherwise, there's not a snowballs chance in hell that BHVR would make a deal to be associated with Victor Salva in any way, much less pay him for usage of the character license.
"Separate the art from the artist" be damned!
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As a community can we please let this go?
Victor doesn’t need to make anymore $$$, yet alone get any recognition from his character being attached to DBD.
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if he is genuinely remorseful (which I find hard to believe) then good, as he should be
but saying “we shouldn’t ostracise people after their sentence is over”, in the modern era especially, for something as sickening as he did is honestly laughable, people get their lives ruined for tweets they made while drunk from 10 years ago, do you honestly believe that we as a collective society are going to let a known child abuser of the hook until he draws his final breath? I know for a fact I’m not
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Are you supporting people having their lives ruined over a Tweet?
Because if you are, then I don't think we'll find any fertile grounds for discussions, as we are diametrically opposed.
If you aren't...well, you're arguing my side of it then. People shouldn't be offense-farming on old Tweets, or using them to attack people now - even if they said something really dumb or 'offensive'. Because people change.
While it makes me feel gross, I have to extend the same charity to people who have served their sentence for a crime, have not reoffended and are trying to reenter society. And that, unfortunately, has to include this guy. Because they have to be given the chance to change.
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Unless u use a nft :D
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Probably. And that's their call.
However, as to the last thing you said:
It is damned right now, and that's a bad thing. It's why Harry Potter is considered 'problematic' within progressive circles and people are trying to ban The Jungle Book and Lovecraft's books.
EDIT: And perfectly timed, the person below me just mentioned Minecraft, another perfect example.
If I restricted my media to only people I agreed with politically or had done nothing wrong in my eyes, I'd be stuck watching about 10 movies. Good movies to be sure, but that would be silly.
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Your thoughts on Minecraft by any chance?
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Why are so many people comparing ######### beliefs to a literal crime?
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99.99% the answer is still no
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Never.
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My point is that the same "don't support the creator" mindset was applied to Notch. And yet... Minecraft was not canceled. Proving that it can be done.
If Jeepers were bought, what would happen then?
Because if it's still "supporting the creation", then we should cancel Minecraft because it's supporting Notch.
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There is a huge difference in the people and the reasons people wanted them 'cancelled.'
Notch is a guy that has ######### opinions.
Salva is a convicted child molester.
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Notch did literally nothing wrong, but that's a very different discussion.
On topic:
Are you in favor of the death penalty, or mandatory life-imprisonment for all felonies?
If not, then you probably accept that people have the capacity to be remorseful, and to change.
This is a cornerstone of the modern justice system - rehabilitation.
If you insist on ostracizing and persecuting someone in perpetuity, you make rehabilitating them impossible. And yes, this means that sometimes you will need to apply this to someone who is an utter scumbag.
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Dude, I Love the way you think! Couldn't agree more on almost every topic of conversation that you wrote in this thread! It is 100% unbiased and purely logical thinking that I really wish that more people in the world shared your views and thought process, generally speaking of course.
I had no idea about any of this prior to this thread by the way, I learned as I read what you guys have wrote, but as it stands the most reasonable person here by far has been you, StarLost, and while this is just a gaming forum I want to compliment you on your brain.
You shared possibly controversial thoughts that were extremely valid and made a lot of sense, I happen to also agree with what you said in the entire thread, but even if I did not I would at least consider the things you wrote and possibly change my own opinion!
Thank you. I am often the one in my "group" or social life who tends to speak the "uncomfortable truths" that no one else really wants to agree with despite my logic being very reasonable and sound, it's just honestly nice to see that I'm not the only one in the world <3
EDIT: I saw some others mentioning that this Thread might get shut down if people aren't careful because of this Topic - but honestly I really hope that it doesn't because this has been legitimately the most interesting Thread I've read on these Forums in a VERY long time. It actually has brightened my day and put me in a better mood (especially after having a few terrible matches as Killer on Haddonfield with Boon Totems ><)
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He's already gained money from the new movie since Screen media had to pay him for the rights to jeepers creepers. They had to pay him upfront to make the the movie.
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>Notch did literally nothing wrong, but that's a very different discussion.
Mmmmm, this ain't it chief.
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Wish people would not be so dam sensitive. Jeepers Creepers is arguably my favourite horror film and always will be, regardless of what the director did or didn't do. The character and the actors didn't do anything wrong and playing a game with a character from that film shouldn't bother people at all.
He'd make a brilliant character in the game although im not sure how his power (fear) would work. Maybe a killer that had a big bonus to hunting his obsession
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i just wanted to state that although these opinions stated are controversial that i also agree with them i like to look at it from a logical viewpoint de attached from any issue and viewing it with no emotions attached
People change and everybody wants to think that people dont but they do trust me im much different from the man i was 10 years ago ik great men that had terribile things happen to them and terrible men that had great things happen to them
dont be fooled even cain killed abel, looks can be deceiving even jesus's eyes were hazel
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