SWF is toxic and almost made me want to uninstall.
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100% agree, OP. SWF breaks Asymmetrical Games- especially horror. They should only be allowed in Custom Games. They’re the minority in every asymmetrical community, and cause the most headaches for solo players & killers. Whether it’s DBD, RE Resistance, or F13- they bully killers with no fear. Comms trump all. Let one ragequit when they start getting beat, then the others ragequit in succession. Some are so infatuated with bullying, they dont do objectives- pissing off solos and frustrating killers. You can never get true balance for solo players. Look at Wraith- his last buff made him “manageable” against a 4 man SWF (still needed more), but completely busted against solo’s. Now his recent nerf has him viable for solo’s, but weaker against SWF. There are so many mechanics in this game that reflect that one example.
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Exactly this. SWF isn't toxic, it's the people in it that can make it that way. I completely agree though that having a well-coordinated team all talking together puts the killer at a huge disadvantage as there's no killer perk that can properly counter that. It's what can make playing as a stealth killer really frustrating. Sad thing is, dead by daylight was not designed with voice chat, but BHVR allows it, and obviously for good reason because it's popular. But what sucks is that they don't do anything to inform Killers that they're playing against a team on comms. At the very least they could give you increase blood points for having to play against a handicap like that.
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You probably don't want to post that, as from the rest of your post it would be very easy to claim your intent was some sort of naming and shaming which is against forum rules.
Don't know what you'd expect to come from it in the first place. Unless people are throwing verbal harassment around via voice there is no such thing as "abusing voice comms". No rules against voice chat or what you do with it, unless you use it to verbally harass someone in some way.
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Blanket statements like this show a certain level of ignorance or complete Bias. Not all SWFs play like this. In fact, if I do SWF, it is with my wife, daughter and friend with one finger on his right hand. And we all drink bourbon and chill.
Trust we lose more than we win, but it's all for fun. Not every SWF is the seal team 6 you allude to.
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Using voice comms in a 3rd party program while grouped SWF is cheating. You're communicating the position of the Killer, coordinating everything, I mean, these are more powerful than any perk
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i dont know exactly what are u complaining about,
are u talking about playing well and coordinated? is that the thing toxic for u? are u dumb?... in wich game being good is actually toxic? i never heard such much bullshit before, people like to call everything toxic without even knowing what toxicity is. toxicity is having a dumbo survivor with a macro flashlight being f* annoying all game, thats toxic, toxic is also t-bag and disrespect the killer at any given chance (cause the killer cant do anything in that especific moment), thats toxic.
just very few things in this game are toxic, playing well is not one of them. is just that SWF wont let u stomp them they will put a fight and most likely will beat u (if they are good enough), solos can be extremely toxic (actions, gameplay with macros, t-bags) but awful players (dont know how to spread the pressure, looping, coordinate unhooks properly, etc, so makes no sense this post...
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The devs have commented that it is not cheating and have groups in their official discord for swf/kyf. Even if they somehow banned 3rd party comms Xbox and PSN have their own and DBD can't touch that
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Killers: SWF are OP and the worst to face in this game. They give me nightmares.
Me & my moronic SWF group:
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Why are you being so toxic, bro. Chill.
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1. Pyramidhead can play around Ds and Bubba can chew thourgh BT. The world did not end with both KIllers
2. If you have 3 SWFs and one random SoloQ you still might want to worry about DS and BT. My system would not tell you that you are matched up with SoloQs. To play devils advocate here, its not hard to figure out who is this is, in most cases
3. I wonder how this friends can live with the fact that they play, against a total stranger. The pain must be incredible.Jokes aside SWFs destroy all kinds of mechanics thx to voice chat. So If you want play with friends thats fine, but pls withput DH.
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I don't believe you. No way. Did the devs really say voice chat on 3rd party apps is not cheating?
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It was commented by Mods on this forum several times.
It doesn't alter game in any way. If those players played in same room, would it be cheating for you?
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Of course they did, do you really believe they'd add SWF to the game they didn't expect people to talk together? Or that they were delusional enough to believe it's even theoretically possible to prevent people from talking to eachother?
And directly from the official rules as well (https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system) I quote, "We are not banning for the use of communication apps.". So even if you go with the 3rd party app rule it has an explicit exception from that rule.
They've both stated they don't consider it cheating on this very forum (see post above by Dino7281), and added it right there in the rules.
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I know i am about to commit whataboutism but:
They play "toxic" because its funny, not to personally insult you. If you take it as anything other than that you're just making it hard on yourself.
The same could be said about the average tunneling or camping.
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Just stop taking it so seriously. It's a video game and you really can't control what happens in it. Those clicks and t-bags only affect you if you let them.
I do but those are still MEANT to be aggravating.
Maybe with a tactical purpose but still nonetheless intented to cause the opposing player stress.
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I check my lobbies (more out of boredom since always one of them doesn't ready up -.-) and from my experience during peak hours (after 8pm, eu, PC, crossplay on) 4men and pure solo lobbies are the absolut rarest, at least in my MMR and before that rank.
The main part are 2/3men and the solos to fill.
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That is in my eyes the same case with the devs and their statement about camping/tunneling being valid strategies.
The just preemptively gave up since the think/know that they can't change neither those nor swf comms to satisfaction of all parties so they don't even try.
But they also might prove me wrong as i read in multiple threads by now that they hinted at something against camping.
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I wouldn't necessarily bother with that, as I doubt many would question whether swf comms exists (if any!).
In some cases there are people confusing DBD with COD, and the whole game becomes a boring, predictable mess. Yet there are those who legitimately play for fun only, with minimal coordination between them and just joking about.
One possible workaround could be enhanced rewards against either a 3 or 4 man swf. It wouldn't be right to punish people for wanting to play with friends, but anyone facing a tougher group might feel happier if they were rewarded more BP or even Shards, depending on both the number of swf members and how high their MMR is as a group. But that would also be quite advanced, considering the simplicity used for the current system.
All I know is punishing people for playing with friends would be a bad idea.
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There’s no “abusing” voice comms. The devs fully endorse the use of it
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SWF is what is keeping this game alive. If I would be forced to play only soloQ survivor I would skip survivor forever. It is playing with my friends that brings me joy and fun. Sure I talk to them and we call out certain things. But we are mostly a moronic group just having fun and doing stupid things like "its a Myers", "he is camping" etc.
Why do you advice to take out fun away? Chilled SWF is the best way to play survivor.
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I think it may just be difficult to change. They have tried punishing killers for camping but they can't make the proximity too big because then it's exploitable by survivors. They tried stopping the timer, again exploitable. They added swivel hooks which got rid of actual face camping and that blew my mind lol. Same goes with comms, in game chat would be a nightmare and I'm sure they are aware. Imagine the in game reports of harassment. As well as screaming in your ear, and broken immersion.
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Yes, they are. Survivors usually are like this Solo or swf it doesn't matter. They are disgusting people. Pretty sure they are same in real life too.
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Yes I agree punish them for using discord to get a upper hand on a player who is by himself without any kind of help what so ever.......yes I am half joking here....there needs to be a fix to SWFs that makes everyone happy.....right now SWFs are the real thorn in everyone's sides.
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Tunneling and camping are different because you legitimately are unable to play the game now. The killer just wants you out of the game so now that's what's happening. Clicky clicky doesnt make you unable to play the game or basically make you lose. You still have options against it.
do but those are still MEANT to be aggravating.
Yea so don't let it be. It doesn't mean anything and it only effects you because you let it. There is no legitimate reason to be stressed. Maybe you want to win more now but that's something you want. You are the one who let it get to your head. It's immature to lose your composure and get triggered over video games.
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Survivor mains are satan now for pressing the crouch button
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Speak for yourself I don't have an issue with it and I've been here since day 1, people are just a bunch of cry babies who can't handle not getting a 4k every game and it's the same people who think they can use the same build every single game and should never have to adjust it to win, just bring bot matches to the game so they can feel good about themselves trouncing an A.I. squad, half this community is so entitled and egotistical that they refuse to believe they could've done anything different to get the W and that's where the real problem lies in this game, and I'm not directing this towards you so I apologize if it comes out that way.
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I feel the need to chime in.
I hear the people saying they should not be punished for wanting to play with their friends even on comms. I agree. They should not be punished for that.
However, on the opposite side of the coin, should killers be punished for you wanting to play with your friends? Sure some swf are just friend's chilling etc.. some are not.
The killers are givin nothing to compensate for the coordination swf have. They are just expected to git gud. I do not know what could be done to make it more fair and balanced.
I do feel that either side should be compensated. For example. If a killer goes against a swf they get something to compensate, don't know what...BP, Shards etc.. and if a survivor goes solo while with a swf group they should get something as well.
Again, I have no idea what would work best. I just feel that regardless, people should not be punished for playing with their friends. But killers should be givin something to make up for it. Just my 2 cents.
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Oh believe me I know what you mean. I play(Ed) rainbow six siege as well as rocket league and others with inbuilt voice and yeah there will always be "real mature" people.
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So the devs say it's not cheating to be in discord in a 3 or 4 man SWF and call out killer location and coordinate everything?
Wow. I see what type of community I've wandered into. I'll show myself out before the devs give me any more grief.
What's the point of Perks that give you Killer aura location for 5 seconds, when you can just skip it and callout Killer location, coordination, etc... in discord voice chat. Yeah okay. They know it's cheating, but will sell their souls to avoid a problem.
I've stepped into a community I don't want to be a part of. Peace.
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"It doesn't alter game in any way"
!??! You are being so dishonest right now, on purpose. You know it does.
Calling out killer location on voice chat without needing to equip any perk to know where Killer is at all times?
Coordinating repairs based on that information?
Are you serious. OH my god what Have I walked into in this game.
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Im done complaining about this. Im just gonna go play Survivors and enjoy the game
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*Flashbacks to Friday the 13th*
Lmao
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Those perks are for people who don't play in a swf=solo queue. They also help if you're not a full 4man and helps out the randoms, they can also help you if youre new to the game. Any game that allows people to play with each other allows voice.
PubG, COD, LOL, etc you do callouts, would you consider that cheating?
That is the perk of online games.
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Yes other online games do call outs and voice chats but there is a major difference between DbD and those games.......those games you have at the most part have the same amount of people on each team, while in DbD its 4v1. The Killer is at a disadvantage to begin with before you add SWF coordination and "COMS". I say it like that because yes it could be a bunch of friends in the same room, but the issue is still you have a team that can call out the Killers location at all times so they can plan out their Gen Repairs, rescues or general harrassment of the Killer.
Are all SWFs the same....NO
Do I expect getting 4K every game......NO (that would make the game boring and dull)
Do I want them to punish people for playing with their friends.......HECK NO.
I have had plenty of games where I came across SWFs that use coms but dont abuse it and those are some of the most fun matches I have ever had. Everyone had fun with the chases we got a bit silly at times but in the end we achieved what the GAME is really about.......it's to have fun. In the end they shouldn't punish people for playing with friends but they do have to have a way to help balance things so Killers of all experience levels can have fun, because someone who is a lower skill level wont be able to handle a SWF Hit squad while there are Killers who has the skills to go against those Squads.
As someone said Solo Q and Killers need some type of "buff". Killers going against a SWF need something, like someone said more BP, Shards or something. Same thing for SoloQ Survivors they need something because their Skills may not be up to snuff for certain skills of killers
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True, but I'm pointing out the ignorance in thinking it's legit cheating (changing game files in order to see through walls, aim bot, no exhaustion etc) and that it wouldn't be apart of a multiplayer game. There definitely needs to be some changes, what they are, I have no idea.
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Oh I agree it's not cheating at all and those are saying it is are well......ummm how can I say this so not to offend their sensibilities.....ummm fools. As what to be done I'm not sure myself.
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There is no way how to do it.
If they just nerfed only SWF, it would be super dumb. It would cost them lot of players -> money.
Best way imo is buff soloQ, so gap between soloQ and SWF is smaller, then you can make some changes.
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Well, I don't think it is cheating, so bye...
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I don't think you understand what I mean "alter game".
That means changing data / files. Like Insta heal, infinite sprint burst etc.
What you call "cheating" can be done just by playing in one room and talk... Do they get advantage by it compare to soloQ? Yeah, to some extent, but it's not really cheating.
I think game should be balanced around shared information for survivors and aura perks can be used as training wheels for survivors. It's not that easy to make accurate calls and most survivors I played with on official discord were not able to do it.
They just need to buff soloQ and give them info that is easy to share for SWF.
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The devs have openly stated that voice comms are allowed. You can go on DbD's official Discord and they hosting sections for people to swf together. Let it go.
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The fact swf don't need these perks and can take full meta second chance just exacerbates the balance issues.
It isn't cheating on paper, but my god is it boring to go against as killer since it removes all plays you can do and deletes or neuters many perks from the game.
Playing bubba and tinkerer goes off? just ignore it and keep tunnelling the survivor you are on because the moment you leave to try make a sneaky play, the scrub you are chasing will call it out, and the unaware survivors will leave before you get there. This has happened multiple times today when nobody had any aura perks or spinechill but would leave from a fully blinded generator while i am silent.
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Solo Q needs a buff.
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I don't feel like I need a buff when I go solo. And I'm not even best survivor. Being efficient is more than enough to escape majority of trials.
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This is an online multiplayer game. People want to play with their friends. Get over it.
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You will pry kindred from my cold dead hands swf or not lol.
I'm not arguing that it's not beneficial, or that those perks are not needed. Op just asked what was the point of aura perks and I responded. I understand the frustration as well but I'm not a dev and couldn't even think of how to fix swf without punishing, except what others have mentioned (buff solo then killer) Also just answering ops question again on comms so they don't start useless reports on cheating
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I'm a huge advocate for swf, majority of my friends I've met while soloing and boom now we are swf. However I hope the devs do something cuz like I mention I also solo..... And I hate it most of the time. *Fingers crossed* I would love for the devs to shake up swf/solo
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It's a tricky one.
On one hand, I totally understand that people would want to play with their friends.
On the other hand, this game cannot be balanced around both SWF and solo-queue. It's just not possible.
The most elegant solution I could think of is doing what other, similar games do. When you queue up together, your MMR is inflated proportional to the number of people playing together. 1.2x for a duo, 1.4x for a trio and 1.7x for a full group.
This means that you will be put up against a proportionally stronger killer, to offset the insane bonuses that SWF provides.
The other big issue is smurfing, which I see a lot of around my own mid-intermediate MMR. It's easy for a coordinated group of people to suicide/AFK/DC their way to absurdly low MMRs. This probably needs to be detected, and penalized on BHVR's side.
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Hi I arrived Just now, did I miss some good ol' "B-B-but, the game would be ded if there's was no SWF's " ????
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hey Shep.
I totally get your frustration.
when I was just getting started, I got really worked up over swfs, since I thought it was cheating.
I think it's better to look at it as good teamwork on their end.
SWF tips and tricks:
if someone clearly wants to be chased, leave them alone. especially if they're the obsession, even though you don't have an obsession perk.
when going to pick someone up, try looking at the ground, standing still for a second, and then listening for any survivors coming for the save. if there's one, you get a free hit. if not, you're likely good to go.
remember that communication can be a strength, and a source of false information.
there are perks to counter swfs getting in the way. PyamidHead, Plague, and Legion are basically designed with breaking up teamwork in mind. they're great at punishing teamwork.
on almost every SWF, there will be someone who is a weaker link in the chain. don't stop them from having fun by tunneling them into oblivion, but keep in mind the'll be the easiest to catch, the one mot likely to make mistakes, and are a liability.
Good luck!
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Right I dont want them to punish people who wa t to play with SWFs just the com situation is the only reason why are such a issue. Personally they need to buff SoloQ so people will play solo more but not too much to make Solos more powerful than Killers.....one thing I read someone say was give bonus BP and Shards to Solo Q players and bonus BP and shards to Killers for going against SWFs
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SWF is not toxic 😂
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