Tips for getting better as survivor?
So I've thrown seven games in a row. Right in the beginning, I can always tell, two hooks and no gens down? It's a loss. I can always smell when we're going to get crushed, that way I don't end up humiliating myself trying.
So what are basic tips for survivors that I should know about? I already know "don't suck," and I haven't been good at following that one. I'm an awful looper, and the only thing I'm really good for is gens.
Tips?
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It doesn't matter how good you are if your teammates are actual potatoes. You are good at looping? Too bad your team mates still won't do gens. Instead they will DC/suicide asap as they get downed/hit once. Best tip I can give you is get a full SWF.
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Watch videos and streams of people playing survivor, watch what they do. Preferably also explaining what they are doing, or why.
I think Tru3 and FunGoose have pretty good videos, I don't know many more people, apart from peeps like Ayrun and Ussylis.
Also get comfortable with CONSTANTLY looking around as survivor. Look for the next loop to go to, to where the killer is, are they mind-gaming? Can you mindgame them? Depending on the killer, you can pre emptively judge what they can and will do to injure you.
Huntress will use her power around pallets and windows. Try not to vault them in her sightline.
Bubba will force you to drop pallets early, stick to Windows as much as you can.
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My first suggestion is to never throw a game when you know its a loss use that to practice loops and distractions so many times i thought the game was over to find out i actually survived and kept the killer looking
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Hold W predrop pallets and hope your teammates are doing gens.
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If you play as a killer you can be good at survivors
possible to understand all those survivors mistakes
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Throw pallets until you learn all the RNG. Resilience+Spine Chill+Kindred+Sprint Burst 99 it.
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Check out Naymeti. They are AMAZING at looping and explain everything in a way that really makes sense, to me at least.
I love Ayrun, Probz and others but they'll spin the killer like 10+ times in a row and I can't do that / I feel like spinning a killer is very 50/50.
I like Naymeti because he loops structures together constantly and explains how he's able to greed at certain pallets and get an extra loop out of them and whatnot. I've gotten considerably better since watching his vids tbh
Anyways, my other advice is: don't be afraid to run "strong" perks. There was a time I wouldn't use Dead Hard, Iron Will etc. ... Then I found myself being tunneled out of games VERY early to the point that I wasn't lasting long enough in my matches to warrant the queue time. That and I wasn't getting better at looping by being tunneled/camped out.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO USE "second chance" PERKS. If Decisive Strike will give you another shot then run it! Dead Hard will help you extend chases or let you reach pallets you wouldn't otherwise have. All that being said I try not to run ALL meta perks. I kinda cycle them around and run BP farming stuff in the other slots.
Also Windows of Opportunity is a godsend if you're unfamiliar with the locations of pallets and vault locations. I highly recommend getting that perk and using it on and off as training wheels. Using it has helped me learn where pallets are on pretty much every map and even when you get better it's still a valuable perk. Knowing what pallets have been dropped by others in chases before you can and will help you avoid dead zones.
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There's a gulf that's deep and wide between having all your teammates are potatoes and a full SWF. You'll get those occasional games where all of your team are total clueless babies, but most of the time you'll have at least 1-2 decent teammates. A lot of the time when people accuse their whole team of sucking it's projection.
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Find a streamer of YouTuber who plays survivor at high level, and watch what they do. Through simple observation, you'll see how they loop tiles, link tiles together, know when to hide and when not to, be efficient on gens, etc.
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Play killers too.
You will learn how they work and just copy what survivors are doing to you and you don't like it.
Then just watch guides / streamers and play.
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I will give you the best trick and the most boring trick you see the killer you start running in the opposite direction. If he chase you you will buy your team a lot of time by doing that at least a minute and you dont need to drop any pallet. If the killer dont chas eyou work on another gen until you see him again and just like that you will win 99% of your match the 1% is only because you can face a really good blight or nurse
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As for advice (I'm good but not great, full disclosure):
Look around you all the time. It will take some time to develop the map awareness to the point you aren't running into stuff and it doesn't mess up your skill checks, but it's vital.
Don't walk everywhere all the time, run when navigating the map. You might be leery of leaving scratch marks, but unless you can hear the terror radius, it's probably not going to bite you too hard if you run. Walking = lost time.
Keep an eye on the HUD, it will give you a TON of info (like who the killer is, if they are in chase, etc.), learn what all the symbols and icons mean.
If you're on a gen/totem or healing, don't bug out the second you hear the heartbeat or see Spine Chill light up. You'll end up getting nothing done. Knowing when to bail is a sense that will come with time (and a lot of hits/downs).
Don't bomb the hook for saves. Good killers will eat teams who do this alive. Once a survivor is hooked, there is time between hook stages; be smart. If one person is on the hook and the other three survivors are all circling, nothing is getting done. That said, do your best to not let a teammate go to struggle on their first hook. Develop a feel for how much time you have.
Related: if you are on your first hook and no one has immediately unhooked you, don't panic and try to unhook yourself right away. You have some time.
Keep an eye not just on the killer, but the other survivors (if you have the right perks). If you can see that the killer is chasing another survivor, you can commit to an objective (like getting an unhook) without having to be sneaky (it is so frustrating to die on the hook because one of your teammates is slowly crouchwalking toward you when the killer is clearly chasing someone on the other side of the map, for example).
Don't throw. There are probable losses, but no such thing as a sure loss. Ride it out, you never know what might happen. Plus it's disrespectful of your teammates.
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Since everyone is giving detailed advice, the first thing I would suggest is bringing the perk, Windows of Opportunity, it just got buffed and it's so good for looping, you know where every pallet and window is at all times cuz you're constantly moving around, hell even high level players use this perk, so it isn't just used for training wheels, it's great for rng since some pallets won't always spawn where you think they should be. Also, if you wanna get better at looping the killer, don't bring iron will because you want them to hear you, you want them to know where you are, so that they don't loose you while in chase. Also to get better at looping, watch looping tutorials and run this build, dead hard, resilience, spine chill, and windows of opportunity. Resilience/spinechill gives you 15% vaulting speed, and it can be game changing.
This is mostly advice on what perks to use to get better at looping, for everything else, everyone has advice for you, so don't worry about it.
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Hold m1 at gens when you’re not being chased, don’t waste time doing other things. When you have 3 other people that understand this concept then you’ll be escaping in no time.
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Do Bones.
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Dont. 😋
If you get better at looping killers for 3-5 gens, they will end up dc-ing.
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Have no shame in predropping pallets and holding W as much as possible against many killers. E.g. do this against Nemesis, Pyramid Head, Blight, Trickster, crazy Hillbillys etc.
Against more loopable killers like Wraith, Ghostface etc one of the best things you can do is almost always keep looking at them in a chase. So you know exactly what they're doing. If you're not sure about the loop try at least glancing back at them quickly.
At the start of the game you should generally be conscious about where gens are. It's better to do the gens in the middle or closer to the middle rather than the ones at the corners of the map. This way you avoid 3 genning and the killer can't patrol gens easily at late game since they'll be far apart.
Also, you should probably use meta perks. They won't make you good suddenly but they will help give you more confidence and will be hugely beneficial to you and the team. The build I recommend is:
Dead Hard, Borrowed Time, Spine Chill and Kindred.
Dead Hard will help you in chases. Use it for distance to get to a pallet or window you otherwise wouldn't have been able to reach.
Borrowed Time will help stop your teammates being tunneld off the hook. Even if they are, they should last longer. It can also be very beneficial to you if that teammate takes a hit with BT for you.
Spinechill is absolutely fantastic against stealthy killers like Wraith, Ghostface, Pig and is helpful against Spirits and against common perks like Tinkerer.
Now I currently use Boon Circle of Healing. But for you perhaps Kindred would be better as it helps your team coordinate hook saves and you no longer have to waste time running across the map for a hook save, only to realize someone else is and then start running back to your gen. You'll know what's happening and whether the killer is camping etc.
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Pay attention to the killer's pattern during a chase, if he likes to double-back/moonwalking at an L-T wall, be prepared to react fast.
If the killer constantly tries to mindgame, leave the tile and watch the killer hilariously mindgame themselves and you'll make a ton of distance.
Of course, they could always fake the double-back, so you just have to sometimes pray you win the 50/50.
i don't recommend you to try to spin the killer if you're still new, just learn how to run tiles by watching some vids in yt.
p.s. Holding W is also quite effective and wastes at least 30s of their time. Do this if there aren't many pallets left or you're in a deadzone.
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While looping is a skill that comes with time and better game knowledge, your skill as a teammate can be picked up much quicker when guided, so here are a few things
- When being chased by the killer try to only use 1 or 2 pallets at maximum in one area, try to be efficient with your ressources and leave some for your team
- Staying on the subject of chases and pallets, dont use pallets unless absolutely necessary, this means dont throw them unless the killer has an insta down or your injured. If youre healthy take the hit and create as much distance as possible. Chases are about wasting as much time as you can and the best way to do that is creating distance between yourself and the killer
- When a Survivor is on the hook, make sure no one else is going for the save if youre thinking about going for it, it doesnt take more than one Survivor to go for an unhook, this is done much easier by running an aura reading perk such as Bond or Kindred.
- While stealth can help out in the moment, it normally hurts the team in the long run. Since now youre cutting down the normal 4 survivor hook cycle, into a 3 survivor hook cycle. So at the end of the day you might no be hooked, but you wont have any friends to celebrate with.
- If you see that a teammate whos on 2nd hook is being chased and you have a hook state left in you, try to grab the killers attention. 2 survivors on death hook is much better than 1 dead.
- Always try to have at least one Survivor on a gen, that means if you see your teammates occupied with something else, take initiative and work on some gens.
Thats all I can really think of for now, hope it helps <3
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This thread definitely proving how easy it is to waste the killers time, with loops, pallets, gens and hold w. Thanks for all the confirmation.
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I highly recommend recommend watching YouTube guides and Twitch streamers, if you have the time. To be a good Survivor, you need to understand the ins & outs of every Killer power, how every perk works, how every add-on works etc. But most importantly, you need to understand how Killers think and how they play, which means you need to play Killer as well. This will enable you to predict what a Killer will do before they do it, which allows you to counter them.
There's a ton of resources out there for learning the basics, but you will only truly get better by playing the game more and more to build up your experience. I'm talking at least 1,000 hours of playtime before you've encountered most scenarios and learned how to react to them. Best of luck!
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Not really, survivors that split up and work on seperate generators each are generally the most efficient. How often have you been hooked with Kindred only to see a bunch of survivors not do anything? They'll be crouched somewhere half across the map away from the killer instead of doing the objective.
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Okay, from a killer's perspective:
- If you are a solo survivor, run Kindred.
- Dead Hard is strong, but honestly - I'm more scared of survivors without it now. I play around it anyway so it's basically a free perk spot if you choose not to use it.
- Don't drop down from high spaces when I'm chasing you unless you have balanced landing. 9/10 times, it's a free hit for me and often an easy down.
- Avoid running into deadzones. If you have no resources left in the map near you, instead run me as far away from everyone else as possible.
- If you are going to unhook, don't do it in my face. I won't camp you intentionally, but if I see you coming I'll go for you. Wait for me to patrol away.
- Similarly, don't heal in predictable spaces after you unhook. This is often an easy down/kill.
- Don't bodyblock me when I'm trying to hook unless you are very confident that you have an escape route.
- If you want to teabag/flicky macro/blind the killer after they break a pallet, you'll probably be tunneled down. Tit-for-tat is a powerful instinct.
- You'll get more BP in games where you don't simply hide and do gens.
- If you get caught at a gen, try not to lead me to other survivors.
- If two of you get caught at a gen, you can lead me away and one of you can continue working.
- If I have Pop, lead me as far away from gens as possible.
- If I'm constantly finding you when a group is working on a gen, assume I have Discordance. Split up and do gens.
- The scariest perks for me to face are: Adrenaline, Prove Theyself and weirdly enough, Distortion. A lot of killers rely a great deal on aura reading.
- If I'm running Corrupt Intervention, don't try to do the freed gens. Hide, do totems etc.
- If you can't figure out what one of my perks is, expect NOED. If you can't figure out two, it's probably NOED+NWO.
- If you are playing against Nemesis, PH, Pinhead, Huntress or Nurse, don't run away in straight lines. Try to juke our ranged attacks.
- Avoid being overly altruistic. Finish the gen you are on if you can. If it's Collapse and I have NOED, don't come and unhook unless you've already popped the totem. This is how a 0k becomes a 4k.
- Flashlights are mostly useless unless you are facing a Wraith. Unless you are sure of it, don't bother trying to flash-save. Rather go do a gen or get somewhere safe.
- If you are slugged, make as much distance between your original spot and your new spot as possible. However, keep in mind that if I can't find you, I can't pick you up. This can be a good thing or a bad thing.
- A lot of killers run BBQ. If someone is going to be hooked, get into a locker.
- Play killer! Nothing will give you game-sense like playing both roles.
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