PSA its 48 meters
All boon totems cover a 48m area in a bubble its not just 24 like everyone keeps say to prove they need a buff
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Circle of 24 m radius... 48 meter area.
Huh?
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Yes it has a 24 meter radius which means it have a 48 meter diameter.
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How do you figure?
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who the ######### is saying they need a buff?
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Just for reference a typical map is about 100x100 meters, or 10,000 m². A 24 radius circle is 1809 m². So at most a Boon covers 18% or just under 1/5 of the map. (I say "at most" because if the boon is within 24m of the edge of the map it covers less actual area.)
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So the radius if CoH is 24 meter so that means that from the boon it goes out in ever direction in 24 meters. Now the diameter of a circle is 2×the radius so the diameter of CoH is 48 meters
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There's been a few post and in a couple of non buff post people say its only 24m its not even that big.
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Makes sense to me.
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OK... I got ya
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Its simple math but people see 24m on the perk and just repeat its only 24m
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yea thats not game breaking, still need to be within 24 meters
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The fact that you can cover almost half the map with 2 of them giving infinite 100% self heals to the whole team is pretty gamebreaking.
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Area of a circle is pi * r^2 not r * 2…
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Wasn't doing area i was doing diameter which is from one end of the circle to the other. Area is everything inside the circle
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I think people are getting thrown for a loop because most distances are expressed in point-to-point terms, or are being talked about because of the distance from two points--terror radius might be a radius, but it's still mostly relevant in "how far am I from the Killer"; fully 3/4 of the radius is the Killer not looking or moving away (and mostly relevant for perk interactions). With Boon totems, this isn't the case and the entire radius and area is significant, so the usual point-to-point logic isn't applicable.
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You have a really good point I've never thought about it like that. It makes thing make alot of sense.
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It was really just a nit pick
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Ok I was curiouswhat area had to do with it. It would actually be useful to know the area of the average map and the the area of a Boon totem to see the % it actually takes up
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Is the boon totem radius spherical? I got the impression that it was cylindrical, but I haven't been paying much attention.
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Your right its more like a cylinder I just couldn't think of it.
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The perk description says it has a range of 24 meters. No one is saying anything inaccurate when they say it's 24 meters.
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Yes thats how circles work and how perks work, the wording has meaning
Also, most killers have a 32 meter terror radius, but thats a 64 meter terror diameter
but also the diameter isn't area
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I'm not saying they're wrong but is the the full picture isnt not just 24 meters is 24 meters in every direction from the boon.
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The full picture is "24 meters from the totem." Logic dictates that it would be 24 meters regardless of direction.
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But it doesn't cover just just 24 meters
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If one boon covers about 1/5 of an average map that makes the numbers make more sense. If there can only be a max of 4 boons active then that would make it so about 4/5 of a map can be covered with the boon effect. That remaining 1/5 of the map can't be covered unless you move one boon. Although you could probably get full boon coverage on a map like "The Game".
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All range in the game describes radius, idk why people can't realise this is following the norm
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Except it's range is 24m away from the totem, which is the norm for literally every single perk. You don't go "Oh BBQ has a circle of protection within 40m which means it's actually 80m long" you just go "Oh 40m near the hook, neat".
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But you can only look in one direction at a time so the other 40 meters behind is useless
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What?? Have you... Heard of looking around you??? Allowing you to make use of all 4 seconds of aura reading????
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^^^^^
I think this helps it make more sense.
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Your point is also talking about the radius of bbq im talking about the diameter of a fixed object.
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Or, another way (and the problem with saying it's "only" 24m) is that 24m is a small-medium sized distance, but when you're dealing with "amount of map covered by this effect" then it's substantially less small.
Doubly so given that killers can only hear from ~12m away. Half the distance, right? But that means killers can wander around 3/4 of the boon area and not get a single audible clue.
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Also 80 meter diameter of not been able to see is huge bbq buff plz.
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See hearing the boon totem is more like hearing a killers TR
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Yeah the diameter is 48 meters, you're not saying anything different than a 24 meter radius. They mean the exact same thing since the diameter is double the radius.
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True.
I just wonder if thinking about it in terms of radius is unhelpful here. Normally, radius is useful, since things about hooks, generators, the killer--X Metres from that or less, the proximity matters because you're going to want to interact with the item in question (or avoid it). In this case, the radius specifies the point of origin, but once the totem is in place, the exact totem position doesn't matter.
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Uhm, yes thats how distance works from day 1. Whats the point?
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The whole point is it only works 24m away from where it's activated, you can't be more than 24m in any direction or it won't work, that's why the perks states "radius" that's how radii work.
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It has a range of 24 meters. This is undisputable fact. No one is being misled when they are being told this. No information is being left out. If anything, saying "48 meters" is more misleading because 48 meters is the total diameter of the AoE, not the range that any individual Survivor has to be in to be affected by the Boon Totem. 24 meter range gives the exact amount of information all players need to understand its range of influence. Saying that the diameter is 48 meters is no better than a cashier telling someone how much their items cost entirely in cents.
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Not inaccurate to say it has a range of 24m no, but it's a little disingenuous.
Most other perk or powers that have an area of effect deal with survivor-to-killer or survivor-to-survivor interaction, where you're concerned about the distance between two dynamic points. Thus the radius is the relevant measurement.
Boon totems establish a fixed area of the map with the qualifyer being that you are within that area, and as such the relevant measure is the area of the map this takes up. So a diameter would be a more suitable measurement.
Boons aren't exclusive in this though. Arguably some perks such as Jolt, especially from the survivors perspective of getting the killer away from any gens it could affect, would be in a similar boat.
Basically if you're concerned about two points of interest where neither of those points are YOU, then diameter would be useful to take note of.
As far as perk descriptions go, standardising them all with radius is perfectly fine. It's not difficult to multiply by 2.
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What is the point of this post other than to make a number sound larger...
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Strongly disagree. A range of 24 meters is exactly what it says on the tin. To a Survivor, it does not matter that the diameter is 48 meters because they have to be standing within 24 meters to get anything. To a Killer, it does not matter that the diameter is 48 meters bexause they have to be standing within 24 meters to hear the Boon Totem, and they know that a Survivor has to be standing within 24 meters to get anything. If you have two points of interest, you don't care about the diameter; you just care about the distance between them. Drawing a circular shape between you and those points of interest doesn't accomplish anything.
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"the relevant measure is the area of the map this takes up. So a diameter would be a more suitable measurement."
The formula for the area of a circle is "pi times radius squared." You only need to know the radius of the circle to know the area, not the diameter. So I would argue that diameter is the less suitable measurement.
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Pretty sure that killers don't hear boon totems within 24m; you need to be almost on top of the boon before it's going to be audible.
And when talking about how strong/weak boons are, the direct radius is only a proxy for relevant feature--map coverage. Basic range is more important for instantaneous effects: how far away before it does/doesn't activate. For boons, the question is: how much of the map can/cannot be blanketed at once?
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Unless it is a multi floor map.
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Going by the perk description:
"Soft chimes ring out in a 24 meter range."
"how much of the map can/cannot be blanketed at once"
As far as I'm aware, the mathematical formula to determine that answer involves the radius, not the diameter.
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And I'm telling you, it's not audible for 24m. It doesn't really matter what the description says there.
The formula for area involves the radius (that is how one describes a circle), but that doesn't mean that thinking about the perk in terms of its radius is a good one for balance.
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Right, Midwich and The Game aren’t as wide as most level maps. (I don’t know how wide RCPD is, its dimensions don’t seem to be in the wiki, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar in width to Midwich.)
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"The formula for area involves the radius (that is how one describes a circle), but that doesn't mean that thinking about the perk in terms of its radius is a good one for balance."
This doesn't make sense. If figuring out the area a Boon perk covers flat-out invovles the radius, then what makes the diameter more useful for perk balance? What does the diameter demonstrate that the radius doesn't? Not area. Not range of influence. So then what?
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