The devs need to address swf
Honestly man I'm disgusted, and absolutely sick and tired of swf. It's been a massive issue for years, and on here and reddit killers complain in massive quantities, as a matter of fact it's the biggest issue most killers have.
I hop on wanting to have a good time in the morning before I start my day. Just wanna play a few matches and grind some bloodpoints to lvl up my killers. I need alot of perks for them bc I just switched to PC.
I play legion, and immediately I get paired with a an swf group where all 4 of them are running BT, DH, DSTRIKE, and some form of speed perk, ontop of 3 of them running purple flashlights with insta blind add-ons and one had the healing boon.
All match, they clicked at me, teabagged every chance they got, grouped up on gens while I was chasing someone else. Abused deadhard to make it to windows and pallets for free when they should have been downed, then had the audacity to teabag and taunt after the free escape like the did something great. Abused borrowed time by standing still teabaghing knowing he was invincible and then I hit him, and the free speed rush got him to a pallet where he teabagged some more.
I got three hooks. Then they decided to take the end game hostage and all three clicked and tried to blind me until I forced them out the gate. The last one just used deadhard to the exit gate for a free escape. Weeeee... so hard. Playing survivor is a joke. The devs hold their hands man. Then they act cocky like they are actually playing well or like pros. Dude, you ALL have second chance perks. You all are coordinating. Lmao.
This is constantly happening. I can't play the game and just enjoy myself. It's nothing but bully fests. Match after match after match.
I have a match like this, and I already just wanna quit. It's awful. Why won't the devs address how strong this is? It's a joke. You can feel how disadvantaged you are going against this. 16 perks and add-ons and coordinating!? Seriously?
It would be different if this was a rare encounter but I'm legit finding myself doing these kind of matches almost every other match I play. It's constant.
Teams need caps! Or killers need boosts against teams! Period! Killers don't play this game just be jesters for bully teams that wanna be A-holes. We want to enjoy ourselves too, and if we can't.
We just leave! Then your ttv squads can just stream lobbies all day for their followers Instead.
Their behavior is appalling. I've never in my life played a game this toxic. I assumed the MMR would help but I haven't seen any difference really.
The first time I play a killer the first match is fine, then immediately I'm playing against nothing but squads. Swf is getting worse and more common these days.
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Playing with friends? Absolutely disgusting
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Mass BM and bullying with friends? Indeed disgusting. Very disgusting.
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Strawman. Playing with friends is fine when a game is balanced for it. The issue is with the devs and their silence on the issue, not people wanting to have fun/ be sweat lords.
Buff solo and then buff killers and there would be no issues.
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god forbid people wanna play with their mates,
yeah it's pretty unbalanced but maybe don't take the game serious enough then? and don't get bothered by stupid bm lol
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90% of my threads are literally about buffing solo and I still dont think swf is disgusting.
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You don't get it. I understand and most people understand playing with friends is more fun. It's not that playing with your friends is a problem in itself . It's the massive advantage they have when they ALL bring in second chance perks and strong items, then legit bully, click, teabag, all game and hold games hostage to BM and be gross. They don't play the game. They abuse and bully the killers as hard as possible.
They know their strong. So they abuse it. Who's fault is this? The DEVS!
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Almost no one likes playing against SWF, that isn't new.
The real question is how you solve that problem without preventing people from having fun and playing with their friends.
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Every buff to soloQ is ALSO a buff to SWF. Trying to 'buff solo to compensate for SWF advantages' just drives the disparity further.
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Teabagging at the exit gate until they are pushed out, and riding the timer just clicking and teabagging you until you do?
Toxic. Bullying.
Teabagging and taunting after every window vault and pallet drop? Toxic! Bullying.
Then if you watch the streamer during your match and hear them talking trash about how bad you are with their buddies? Toxic! Bullying!
Need I continue?
Killer is rough man.
Post edited by Gay Myers (Luzi) on8 -
So some people on the internet are toxic? Were you expecting otherwise?
It seems like this thread was just made because you went against a streamer that ended up being rude and toxic. How does that make swf disgusting?
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Swf isn't necessarily the problem. The devs try to balance the game around soloq and then balance killer around that as well. Any buff to soloq indirectly buffs swf and makes killer harder. If they try balancing killer around swf, then they make soloq unenjoyable. I think they have to find a way to give soloq the same level as swf, such as communications: voice chat, or a system that tells other survivors where they are and what they are up to, and pinpoint generators like in the tutorial. These are things that wouldn't change swf since they already have these abilities, but it would put soloq on par with swf in this system. When this happens, then they can buff killers to be able to deal with comms.
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It funny how every swf survivor defends sfw, saying that it would be unfair to nerf people playing together, but why is it fine that killer is basically handicapped because of it?
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The majority of my matches are like this. It's definitely a bullying issue bc of the power dynamics between survivors and killers. I'm not surprised people are toxic. People suck.
I'm surprised the devs allow it to get this bad without addressing anything at all.
They are silent when massive amounts of killer mains are speaking out against BM squads being more and more common.
They need to fix how strong swf is so the bullying stops or at least slows down. Make the survivors afraid of the killers, and they won't BM as much.
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The reason why devs dont do much about it is because all these cases of people going against 4men toxic swf squads all with meta perks is more rare than not.
By reading the forums, which lately seem more like a circle jerk if people complaining about killer, you'd think it's quite common, but reality isn't like that.
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I’m on your side but they can’t take the game hostage, go find a gate and sit there until gens are done. Then open the gate forcing them to leave, hopefully that will make some of your games more tolerable.
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Personally, when I load and I see 4 people already waiting for my killer, I skip the game and look for other one until I get something looking like a group of randoms
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The game's not balanced around comms and never has been. DbD should just disable your mic. Though, then you'd have people using their phones for comms instead of discord.
The only solution is putting SWF in their own lobbies and just make AI killers who flat-out cheat to keep up (because no human player is willingly going to subject themselves to all-SWF)
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Bro, DEVs are bad. One of their heads was laughing at people with colorblind issues, and they got that function on in game when it got noticed in mass media.
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People still don't know what "toxic" really is. Makes me sad 😭
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The only actual solution is rebalancing the whole game by INCLUDING in game voice chat for survivors and rebuilding whole balance along the idea people can communicate. And I hardly doubt they ever making it, as it actually requires to do some job
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I would NEVER play survivor if I had to listen to a squad of randos every game. It's both more thematic and a better play experience for everyone to be alone and silent.
Have you actually listened to random people on the internet talking? They're awful.
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What exactly do you expect them to do about it? Ban/punish people from playing with their friends? I understand some SWF give others a bad name, but there are casual goofy groups like my friends and I who absolutely suck at this game & enjoy sucking together.
Killers always complain about SWF and how BVHR needs to get rid of/address them but never provide any type of logical or reasonable steps to take that would make sense other than having a bad game.
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In every single game you can mute it. Check Valorant, for example. I don't do voice and you lack info and lose most likely.
And yes, some build up very good punishing system for greefing and bad behavior.
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I mean, they barely have a DC penalty, the report system is vestigial, and they can't even stop straight-up hackers. What makes you think thei game could manage all the hazards that come with full voice chat?
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Great solution; Awful downside.
You will be sitting at the menu trying find a match much longer than you do now. There are way too many people playing with friends, even if it is just a group of two.
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I know I know. bhvr doesn't like to work. That's why you should not be worried with voice chat entirely
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SWF is not an issue, nor is it even a balance issue in most cases. The devs have addressed this in the past: SWF does not generally affect escape rates. The common thread in all these "I'm getting destroyed game after game" threads is the killer. Take an objective look at your gameplay and focus on areas of improvement. Legion is one of the worst, if not the worst killer on the roster.
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That's why you don't even need actual voice chat, even a message system would do wonders to close the gap.
SWF can already say "Killer nearby" or "I'm going for the save", put that ability into survivor basekit with a communication menu. Then you know that all survivor teams have this information available no matter their perks, which lets them act more coordinated and efficient, and as a result you can balance around it without widening the gap in the same way. Sure people can spam it or give fake info to troll but avoids the harassment issues of full voice chat, and bypasses any potential language barriers at the same time.
I firmly believe the alternatives are something like this, or no change at all. It's not a perfect solution (no perfect solution exists), but unlike ones that might increase queue times, split the playerbase or make even one person think "hm, this game seems like it's punishing me for playing with friends" it might actually have a non-zero probability of ever being considered by the devs.
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tastes like salt.
and friendship.
😋
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stop being toxic.
(for the record, this was a joke)
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I’m sure you would darlin’, but as great as attaining patience is, a lot of people don’t.
It’d also play a downside on the Survivor’s side with lowkey punishing them for playing with 1, 2 or 3 friends. They’d also have to wait longer because I guarantee, if given the chance, a huge population of Killers would turn off SWF matching. On top of MMR being busted right now, we do not need more matchmaking exemptions.
Your idea was reasonable though. 💜
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They can't just disable a mic. I don't know about the other platforms, but on Xbox the party chat is entirely separate from any game being played. Heck we can and sometimes are in different games in a party. And i believe Microsoft mandated any game they accept cannot interfere with the party chats in any way. i imagine the PlayStations are similar. So how could the devs enforce this at all?
During their last Q&A they said they have no plans for alternate play modes. And they have said many times they won't make changes that split the playerbase or hurt queue times. As for bots, have you seen Nemmy's zombies in action...
The only solution as I see it that might actually happen is optional comms of some sort being added, a few perk changes, and killers adjusted to handle that new reality.
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You go against SWF so much more than you realize, but you don't realize it because it doesn't matter and doesn't affect gameplay to the degree that you imagine it does. People SWF a lot without comms. I do it all the time. People SWF on comms and don't even talk about the game half the time.
You're imagining comms on the level of pro competitive squads who practice every week. I can tell you from experience that 90% of public match SWF comms are borderline useless and useful comms that alter gameplay in a meaningful way take a lot of time and practice. It's not happening on a Friday night in between shots or bong rips.
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Yes I know. Don't worry 🤗
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I agree with buffing SOME killers. Gen speed needs to be addressed & circle of healing is one of my favorite perks when solo’ing so I’m biased about it. I’ll leave my comments out of this when it comes to that. Lol.
I’ve wanted a 2nd major objective for a long time besides sitting on gens for a minute and a half. This has been implemented in the game in small portions such as the cube with Pinhead, the helmets with Pig, waking up with Freddy, etc but these tasks are quite short & minor. I just don’t see how exactly the devs can balance SWF without punishing either side.
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Imo everyone is focusing too much on the communication aspect of swf when that play little into it. It comes down to the skills of the survivors in the end. The best way the nerf swf is to nerf survivors all together as swf will undoubtedly be nerfed to
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There is a problem with addressing gen speeds. You can't address gens speeds without also addressing camping and tunneling. The two are very much related and nerfing one without the other will create an imbalance
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I absolutely agree. Increasing gen times is quite polarizing considering Killers will most likely resort to the same playing methods. At that point, tunneling and camping would be notoriously powerful & make the game AWFUL.
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And the 5th guy killer should cry in a corner becouse the game
is in massive favor to survivors, mostly with comms and now even with the boons.
Saying that swf uses comes only to have chit chat with friends and there is not a word on on he is this side, do gens on that side i see as a BS.
If you so enjoy the game that 1 chase = 1 gen at least, endgame is 5minutes after start, where biggest challange or struggle is great skill check then lol honestly.
Playing as killer or survivor,
i am just really thinking, if developers are low MMR in their own game, or there were some happy cookies involved when they came to idea with boons.
Not to mention, that boons dont have elevantion limit is so much more bizzare.
Butcher is useless, wounding survivors to gain time as they have to heal is useless…being a killer most of the games feels as being a scary prop.
The survivors queue are long with a normal reason. Soon enough they will have to implement AI killer as nobody else wont be bothered being stressed and pissed as the game offers you no joy at all
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I don’t know about hit validation favoring Survivors (unless of course, Dead Hard is in the picture).
But I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree.
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in dbd? yes, it's disgustingly broken.
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Have you tried playing solo q before?
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yes, soloQ and with friends.
soloq is weaker than SFW indeed, can it be frustrating soloq? yes indeed, but playing killer is far, far worse than playing soloQ, PERIOD!.
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No, playing killer isn't worse than solo Q unless you are a addonless, perkless clown on haddonfield.
Solo Q is the worst experience in this game that's why people would rather play SWF.
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Toxicity isnt tied to SWF
Killers can be just as toxic
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Lol - “suck it up killers, you’re here for our enjoyment”
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You wanna know why SWF is getting more common? Because solo is absolutely awful and the devs don't really do much to help... Not to mention how almost all killers will camp and tunnel. Blame them as well. It's no wonder why it's becoming more popular. I don't blame them.
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Yep, me too. I play killer, solo q survivor and SWF and there is absolutely a huge advantage with SWF on comms. Anyone who says otherwise is not being intellectually honest. Not all SWF are amazing seal team squads, but coordinating on comms makes any team better no matter the skill level of the individual players. I’m an ok not great killer, so I typically get matched against decent survivors. Solo q or two-man SWF tend to be good, fun matches while against 4-man SWF I’ll get a 1K if I tunnel and camp, 0K if I follow survivor rule book. I have no problem with people playing with friends on comms (I do myself), but to pretend that it’s not a significant unfair advantage is laughable
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I feel like most people on this forum never played solo q in their life, it's either just killer or swf. If I got this god teams with their god plays in my games, solo q wouldn't be such a pain.
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I've played solo Q.
I understand your pain.
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