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Just out of curiousity: Why do some SWF deny being a SWF?
I just played against my first bully squad as Artist. 4K btw :) I think they got cocky at the end. I'm pretty sure I'm getting at the 'impossible MMR' rating. This squad, as much as I do not like to admit it, would be my limit.
But why in the world would you deny you are a SWF? Does it pain you THAT much to lose? I have 2k hours played and I'd like to think I see the MASSIVE difference between a coordinated team and a solo lobby :D Is your ego that frail?
The facts are that ALL profiles were french, everyone was carrying a flashlight, all of them were shirtless davids and ALL of them were swarming any downed body on top of a pallet. They all had breakout. etc etc. All the necesary bully perks where you barely get pick ups/hooks after downs.
The thing is they almost managed to do it, but they underestimated me. As I pulled the one person on gens into the fray aswell. I was pressuring them so hard, ALL 4 of them had to come for saves :D Honestly I am impressed they even got 3 gens done at the end. As only one of them did gens the majority of the time. I had to start slugging all of them. Which is a playstyle I really do not like, but they forced me to.
They were panicking so hard that they would leave hooked persons on hook to the last second and do gens as a duo. Little did they realize I was running shotgun addons. Stay on gen... You go down.
Honestly this is just a massive win for all killers around. I almost wanted to give up after 5mins, but I sweated it out. This is for all of you in doubt, just like me. Karma be upon you!
PS: If you ever play against a team of all french profiles playing like this, let me know. Cause if this was truly just random odds... Then these ppl were truly some of the best survivors I had ever seen. Very ballsy and they knew exactly how to loop an artist. The only reason I managed to down most of them is because of good guesses on my shotgun build.
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I've had this happen. it's because they want to play like ######### to win, but don't want to be called out on being scumbags. People like to do bad things but not look bad. It's human nature.
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I do it because it's funny lol
When you get someone seething who played terribly and couldn't get a kill despite all of us messing around in a corner for half the trial duration seeing them blame SWF as the reason they lost is hilarious, so I say I'm solo just for shits and giggles.
Also the killers that think they're godtier for killing a swf, when again we're staring at a locker for most of the game, I like to joke around with them too.
If it's an actually decent/good player with an alright attitude though then I'll happily admit to it. It's allowed in the game, idc
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Just like how killers can't admit they're using a sweat build survivors can't admit they are sweating too.
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I mean some times Solos can do very well when it comes to time management, in this case they probably were a SWF and were just trolling. But just think about this: what gain do they get for saying theyre not a SWF? And what do you get for knowing its a SWF? Absolutely nothing, so theres still a good chance they were solos
People shouldnt feel ashamed for wanting to play with friends
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My gain is knowing that I have to become better, that I am actually not THAT good as I think. In the case that they were really solos that is. So it really does have value. Please, if anyone plays in a SWF and get asked about it in endgame chat, please be honest :) Thanks.
Never did I say they need to be ashamed. It is just the denial I am worried about. How much of an ego does a 4man SWF need? And I did add, if they truly were solos, they are the best survivors I had ever played against. And not by a little bit, but A LOT :)
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I'm running pentimento+ruin, Scourge hook:pain resonance and BBQ. Sweating?
I have to use a combo of 2 perks to make pentimento work, which btw NEVER came into play the entire match. Cause smart survivors never cleanse anything anymore. So again I ask: sweating? :)
Most Artists don't even have proper perks to complete a build yet, unless they are lucky.
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Yup definitely a sweating build but you aren't playing the top 3 killer with the most op addon.
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Lol ok :D thanks for letting me know. This is just a build I managed to put together from leveling to 50. As I prioritize prestiging to P3 over proper perks.
Just to let you know. When I get my hands on corruption, it will be in my base kit. AND THAT is when I will play sweaty.
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Many killers believe that an SWF is akin to cheating. An unwinnable scenario for the killer. So a nice way to rub salt into those wounds is to effectively say, "You didn't lose because we were an SWF, you lost because you are rubbish."
Fortunately this can be hard countered by never asking the opposite side and considering every defeat an SWF, even if they were all on different platforms and loaded in seperately. These are just dirty SWF tricks I tell you!
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No such thing as a sweat build and 'sweat' as a term is a stupid one only lazy, entitled children use because they hate seeing others put in effort.
Make of that what you will.
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SWF doesnt automatically make people better at the game... they arent this death squad that has it out for killers, they are 4 individuals who gathered around to play with each other
Also you will lose against solo groups, no one plays perfectly and every one makes mistakes, even streamers who play this game for a living makes tones of mistakes, doesnt matter if SWF is involved or not
Going against a group of friends and beating them shouldnt be a measurement of skill, hell I have multiple groups I play with, one of them theyre all basically new players and another were aiming to become a comp team, but we don't play anything like we do in our scrims
You should recognize yourself getting better, and identify things you are doing wrong and correct these mistakes for future games, set a realistic goal for that play session, thats really how you improve.
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I've been accused of being a SWF when I was solo, so there is that
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So much this! It's why i hate all the terms both sides throw at each other.
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I mean i get accused from being in a swf all the time while always playing solo.
You don't need navy seals communication to bodyblock for an injured survivor or get a flashlight save once in a while
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You can see someone's build so it doesn't matter if the killer doesn't want to admit it.
As Dr. House used to say, "People lie."
He also said, "Life is pain! Everyday I wake up in pain!"
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'The Killer is over here!'
'He's chasing me, do gens!'
'Killer's totem is over by <insert place here>'
'It's <insert Killer here>' (before anyone else has seen the Killer)
'They're running <insert perk here>'
'Killer is coming toward your gen, run!'
See, it's not that anyone thinks SWF makes you more skilled - quite the opposite. But what SWF does is give you tons of free information. Now stop with the false narrative; nobody thinks SWF are always gods. They just get unearned advantages.
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It is not a simple flashlight save that makes me think so :) It is the vast coordination between every single player, a coordination that can not happen among solo players unless they are the absolute top 1%. My guess is a SWF communicating on discord tho ;)
I played solo survivor for a very long time, since killer was in the ditch for a very long time. So I know what a solo lobby looks like on average. Heck I even managed to loop some killers for 5 gens myself, start to finish.
ONE option would also be that the odds were that every single solo survivor was on a blind/stun challenge. It can happen in theory... but lets be real here :) When every single one guy gets swarmed like that when downed, you know it is a bully SWF that knows they are nearly untouchable. This SWF just got cocky and made mistakes.
Every single time I downed someone, not ONE but TWO people made themselves known to be near. To tell me I could not pick that guy up. Hence I was forced to slugging.
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Run Spies From the Shadows or Scatched Mirror Myers. You'll quickly see just how coordinated these 'solos' are.
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They gain information, and while that is strong that doesn't make them a better player individually, these people will still make tones of mistakes that can make the game turn into your favor
SWF isn't the reason why you keep losing games
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Not saying that you're wrong per say just that you can never be sure.
I know i had games as a solo where when i went down the entire team swarmed me and lost because of that.
In you case it was most likely a swf. You can never be 100% sure though
stranger things have happened in the universe then a bunch of solo's being coordinated.
Not a lot stranger but you know.
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Not all SWF are bully SWF. Not all SWF players know how to loop, that much is true. But the true imbalance of the game reveals itself when every single one of them DOES know how to loop. And they DO know how to abuse every single game mechanic and perk. On top of when they are communicating... The killer faces an unwinnable game. That is if they want it to be.
In my case they were all playing around too much, attempting their techs and be cocky. When a SWF gets too cocky for the sake of being a bully an only being a bully... that is when they crumble. (sometimes)
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Countless times I've been accused of playing SWF just for getting a decent team of Solos who actually do things while I'm on a chase. A slightly coordinated team those not mean they are all playing together just that they have enough skill to remain focused.
But in most cases SWFs teams are pretty obvious.
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Never had that one happened to me before, however I've been accused of being swf before when I'm solo.
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Because some people don't want to be shamed simply for playing with their friends.
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I forgot to add one of the most important facts, I edited the main post.
"All players were also shirtless Davids"
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Now you're just lying and insulting everyone's intelligence. It is an advantage they did nothing to earn and going 'but their skill makes it not matter' is bullshit. The fact that SWF can utterly negate numerous Killer powers, perks and strategies is undeniable. Please stop being disingenuous; you know that's true or else we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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You still have a chance at going against these players, when you first encounter a team like this you're likely gonna lose, take that loss as a learning experience, I'd even go as far as record the game and rewatch it and you can see what exactly you could of done better, the next time you encounter a group like that you can prepare yourself and know what to expect
There are very few games that I consider unwinnable, there is usually something I could of done better.
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@ Shroompy Except I have thousands of hours under my belt and it is not my first bully SWF :D I love how you like to discredit me as a new player. read the quote above me as I won't repeat what he said. But he states 100% facts.
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I think it boils down to mental gymnastics. Most SWF like to think they are highly skilled individuals, thus they feel the need to lie to themselves, pretending they aren’t in a SWF, and eventually believing their own lies. In their heads, they are genuinely playing solo.
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Except I have thousands of hours too and I've been playing this game continuously for five years. I know when someone is an SWF or not. It's super easy to tell when you hook someone, detect an incoming survivor via Spies (nobody runs Calm Spirit or bothers crouching past crows so it's 100% effective) and then go a roundabout way to intercept them but they already turned around or changed directions and every time you maneuver to intercept they do it again. This is even with 0 terror radius and no red stain.
Now try another one.
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Spies would be useless against the team I ran, Cause they made themselves known willingly, every time I downed someone (always on a pallet), 2 of them would run in my field of view to let me know that I could not pick him up.
They forced me into a slugging playstyle, which is VERY hard to pull of against these teams. At one point I had 3 of them slugged ontop of one pallet and after I hooked one he used deliverance to then pick up another guy. So now 2 flashlights are back in play with one on the ground... It is an endless "haha in your face" bully squad style.
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Okay?? I never said it would be of any use to you there. I was giving an example of a situation in which i knew someone was going a certain way and had no means of knowing my route without someone telling them.
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I've had many instances where a killer is utterly convinced we're in a SWF when we are, in fact, all queued solo. Other times, as others have said, it's funny to deny it when party composition should be the least of that killer's worries judging by their gameplay.
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Just making my point that I too was playing since 2016 release ;) You came down on me, at least from my perspective, very condenscendingly.
Spies could be a decent perk in some situations, but most matches against SWF it will cost you. Efficient SWF do gens and only save when its safe. This might be my paranoia after one too many bully squads speaking.
Bully squads on the other hand are highly unpredictable. In my match only one person was doing gens. While 3 ppl kept me bussy. So I would have to outplay 3 ppl at the same time. Denying that is hard to do, is very dishonest.
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Can't really blame people as it's not too uncommon in my personal experience that a yes makes them act like it's a license to be an ass, and a no is completely irrelevant as they've already made up their mind no matter what.
This is of course not always the case, as I just answer honestly (even though in my case the answer will always be solo or duo nowadays) and "Oh ok just wondered. gg" is also a common response. But if people have had bad experiences I guess it makes sense.
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What are you going on about? I'm just stating my opinion, I personally don't think SWF is that big of an issue, in fact I think Solo's should be buffed up or close to their level so then we wouldn't have these 2 totally opposite experiences, which would make balancing this game so much easier.
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Not trying to discredit you and I see how you could see that, my apologies
And just because you have thousands of hours doesn't mean you're exempt of picking up bad habits, we all fall victim to this
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You stated an (incorrect) fact. That isn't an opinion. Learn the difference. Now gonna ignore you until you engage your thinker and turn off your feeler, because I refuse to take anyone seriously who says....
We already knew that. 'can win' is not what was being argued. 'Fair and balanced' was being argued.
Do try to keep up.
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Who cares if they're a SWF? Last I checked SWF is allowed
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Never have I claimed that was fact, if you want to be offended over it then go ahead I guess
But it honestly seems like you're letting your "feeler" go off other than your "thinker"
Don't worry buddy you'll be a big boy one day :)
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Learn to read what the post is about buddy. By all means you are welcome to join the topic, but you are little bit off topic there. ;)
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Not really because why even ask them in the first place? It doesn't matter if they are or not and people who ask that are looking for a reason to trash talk let's not pretend that's not why people ask that after a game like what was described, it really doesn't matter if they are or not and based off what the rest of the people on the thread are saying about SWF I'd say that comment makes plenty of sense
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Well so much for living up to your name... some interesting stuff to read here
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my name means nothing if you know literally anything about me you'd know id call myself any name but nice lmao
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Well I kind of figured that by the way you said those ugly things earlier. It's just a disappointing feeling.
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Just like politicians deny being corrupt 😅
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Its an instinct to not say you are playing on easy mode.
Especially if you are that kind of person who gloats about winning without being a good sport about it whatsoever.
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Sure it may be like that many cases, it hurts their ego to think that they lost as a team but at the same time a lot of killers have an inferiority complex to be honest, I have been accused of playing SWF many times by killers when I play 90% solo queue (10% duo) every time the killer under perform or gets bullied they just assume its a SWF. The irony is that most killers disregard what you say and think you are liying when you are being honest about playing solo LOL.
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I had a conversation with these types of people today. From what I could tell from the way that they talked, they do not care for you or your feelings. Quite the opposite. They want you to feel as bad as possible, and that's how they get their daily enjoyment. That's why they say, "Oh what? But we were just solos!" Because they want you to think that you lost to disorganized trash instead of a comp SWF, so that you feel like you're bad at killer. It's very manipulative, psychopathic behavior these people exhibit. Feel bad for them.
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You are overthinking.
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