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Enough is enough
Every game I have played this week has had a hard face camping killer in it. Killers do not care about killing this game by forcing every survivor main to quit because this game has turned into sitting on a hook simulator. I know the killer mains are going to come in here and start saying that survivors do toxic things like teabagging and flashlight clicking but those do not give you and actual advantage like camping does. People will say to just do gens if the killer is camping but unfortunately that still causes every single survivor to de pip even if they escape because the killer refuses to interact with you and you can’t get unhooks.
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Why do you think killers always camp?
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So your saying that survivors tbaging and clicking just to anyone the killer with no strategic value is not toxic and ok but a killer camping a hook to take advantage of survivor altruism or secure a kill is toxic?
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You must be a troll. Literally everyone understands that survivors can waste time doing obnoxious things because they have the power role, and they can afford to waste time.
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Its entirely the devs fault for implementing unbalanced mechanic in the last patches. Before pallet validation DH validation and boons, camping and tunneling wasn't so present.
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he is acknowledging it's toxic. just not an advantage. And a killer camping is NOT EVER toxic, literally just to get 1 singular kill if need be
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I mean if camping gives them the advantage in the game why wouldn’t they do it? It sounds silly now doesn’t it?
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I mean i understand how bad playing killer can be at high MMR but i don't really get why people think this is the solution. I would never feel like i accomplished something after winning like a rank 17 bubba. It's a completely unfun waste of time for me, just standing somewhere and watching someone dying on a hook. People who play like this solely play for "winning", not because they have fun in this game or with their killer, they just want a 4k because "winning" feels good. If you think playing killer is not fun anymore, just don't play it. Play survivor, play something else, like i do right now.
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As a killer main let me ask you this. Do you think I enjoy camping? When i get in a chase and it lasts 45 seconds and 2 gens pop I'm literally left no choice. It's so boring to stare at someone and hope I get a grab. It's boring as all hell and it's why I Hate playing killer. They don't have to implement a anti camping mechanic if they just fix the balance and make it worth kicking gens and defending them
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That just means you are bad. I have played a lot of killer and almost never had a chase last 45 seconds. If you are good there is never a reason to camp.
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Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesnt mean they are a troll.
I do not have time to waste in solo q.
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I'm a pig main with no anti loop so if I meet someone at a T+L or a maim building and they have dead hard I'm ######### either way. You don't have to be good to loop thoes. Maps like the game with a ton of pallets also can easily be extended at the start of the game. If I drop chase they go heal in the COH for 8 seconds and all I did was lose time. By the time I find someone else 2 gens will pop. I'm starting to think your a pretty low MMR killer if you haven't ran into anyone that can loop for 45 seconds. Go watch people like CM winter who is literally a world record pig main and you'll see what I mean. With all the advantages suvs have and all the god loops chases can be extended and survivor and killer skill won't matter. And saying there's never a reason to camp if your good is just not true. If I hook 2 people next to each other and their by a gen why would I leave that area? To be nice? My goals to kill people and if there's 2 people on hook I'm not letting thay go without injuring someone else and possibly doing them.
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That's the biggest BS I have ever seen.
never had 45 seconds chase? Yeah, BS.
Chase should never be less than 20 seconds and that is just time from first hit and second hit, where survivor is holding W, not looping, no pallets, just W.
It's 40 seconds minimum with Overcome, enjoy.
Or you have never played M1 killer, but from your post I highly doubt you are god Nurse main.
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No, it just means you've never faced good survivors who know what they're doing. There are plenty of good reasons to camp, end game being one of them, obviously overly altruistic players who flock to the hook, the hooked person is really good at looping and it's best to make sure they're out of the match, or the killer just doesn't feel like running around the same obstacle three times only to be led to the next one.
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Whatever the issue is, you should really stop this generalization.
It is something which I cannot stand, and it is easy to understand why: it is downright unrealistic to think that every single killer main out there actively wants to force every survivor main to leave the game.
Please stop putting it that way.
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don't belive killer play nice
just hard loop as possible, than some killer gonna give up
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I think anyone who has been face-camped understands how awful it feels to play that part over and over during matches.
I play both sides and I try not to "face" camp because it feels like a cheesy playstyle and I am not earning my kill.
Devs could/should do something to make every kill feel more rewarding rather than give someone a kill who primarily stood idle waiting for pressure to come to them rather than they doing it themselves.
It's a boring less than impressive playstyle. Those who play killer at a different skill level know this.
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Survivors need to be held more accountable for their own actions and the actions of the team! 👏
Don't blame killers for doing what? KILLING!
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And what action is that? Existing in a match so you are the unfortunate soul that gets caught first?
I guess survivors should just toss a coin and see who gets caught first! Because accountability.
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It is not really my job to care. You can always just hook trade unless it is Bubba. Easy counteplay!
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Maybe don't start repairing the first gen you see. Maybe have people that haven't been hooked take agro? Maybe stop complaining that the roles whose goals are opposite of yours is ruining the game because they are doing their literal job...
Camping? Tunneling? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KILL YOU!
Its the survivors job to SURVIVE the killer, not complain that they wont hold your hand and do gens with you.
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Context is everything.
If you can't see how face-camping the first person is bad for the game then I don't know what to tell you.
It doesn't matter how you feel about Camping, that person never got to play the game. Those matches are boring and I don't see how anyone can consider that a "strat" at that point, because a strat would suggest that the person wants to win. 1k is not a win. Staying idle at the same hook is not earning you points. I.E. You are not playing the game.
It is a broken playstyle and if it wasn't the devs wouldn't have looked into changing it in the past. Nobody is saying to get rid of it, but there is a point where it is not used as a strat. It is flat out abusive. You only have to play killer to understand that.
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I'm entirely over people blaming the killer, in that situation your teammates are put into the position to make the save.
The person getting caught first should maybe choose to hide since its not always "bad play". You cant say they didnt get to play, they played and got caught and punished for it, either by not being able to loop long enough for gens to get done or lose the killer.
And before you try to claim im "just a killer main" i strictly play survivor these days because killer isnt fun.
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As most killers have said, if Kicking gens was meaniful i wouldnt camp as much. If you couldn't just run off to a totem and use your free self care, i would'nt camp as much.
Killers get more value out of survs on hooks and using them as bait then walking to a gen and kicking it.
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I mean, you can be as over it as you want. Face-camping a survivor out while idling is a core issue and only makes the game look really really bad.
The game is meant to be fun. If you think killers do that have their reasons then explore those reasons through feedback and solutions. So they can feel like they can have fun too.
The thing is not every single killer is doing it to satisfy their needs on strategy. They do it as a form of BM. Even though technically they are not winning. In every other video game where a killer was cheesing out a playstyle the devs have done something about it. I don't know why it should be any different here.
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If the killer is truly idling on the camped survivor it should be an easy save right?
In any game of players vs players everybody cant win right? There has to be a loser, there's nothing wrong with that, but i dont know why people cant accept that simple fact.
You cant dictate what's the fair or correct way to play, as long as no one is cheating everything's fair game right?
The devs have said that there's no reason to report camping or tunneling so there's nothing wrong with doing those things.
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If your argument is "you can't win every match" then that is where I check out. You are not listening or even trying to listen.
Nobody is trying to dictate anything, but if someone feels that something is not right, then voicing that opinion is all they have. It is not for you to understand.
Where did I say Camping was cheating? Again. Just shows your lack of acknowledgement from the other side.
Yeah the devs have said there is no reason to report camping, but when did I say that they said otherwise? I said in other games unbalanced playstyles are looked into, meaning balanced out. I am talking about them promoting a more fun healthy playstyle while keeping the strategic camping there.
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