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I don't see why people have issues with tunneling
I mean, have you ever seen a killer ask for a change to the default gen mechanics, that it should be locked for a set time every time after the survivor progresses 33% on it?
Asking for mechanics to hinder the killer's main objective by forcing them to change their target before completion every time they make a progress (hooking 4 different survivors to death) seems comparable to asking for mechanics to hinder the survivor's main objective(repairing 5 different generators to completion).
And there are perks to achieve somewhat similar results. Killers have Deadlock, and survivors have DS. I don't see why people aren't satisfied just by using those perks to counter opponents' play.
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play survivor and you will see
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It’s just sore losing. I once got called a Tunneler when I 12 hooked as Legion for instance.
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I do too. So I use Deliverance with DS, to escape the first hook when the killer is afar.
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The survivor does not get to enjoy the game just because the killer has to win at any cost. Not worth it.
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Getting tunneled is the best part. You get to loop the killer for an entire game.
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Depends, if you're in SoloQ and are just trying to survive with baby survivors and baby perks its HORRIBLE, but if you're an SWF that has full meta perks, its fine.
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If you want to tunnel one poor soul out of the game while the other three knockout gens and risk all four of them escaping go for it.
If it makes you feel good then do it
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Not always the case though is it. Sometimes you tunnel that poor soul out and the other 3 fall because of it.
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Get a friend to play the killer for you on KYF then, instead of asking the opponent to risk their win chance on a competitive game because you want to have fun.
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Well, that's a case against camping, not tunneling.
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I don't tunnel or camp
It doesn't feel like a earned win to me.
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*clown_laugh.mp3*
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What?
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I am explaining why survivors are against it. No need to be a dick about it. I want you to tunnel me. Enjoy your 1k at best.
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Ugh.. Apparent surv main who haven't ever played killer seriously. Tunneling is a tactic to get MORE kills because the gens are slower after removing a survivor. NOT tunneling often results in 1k that you blabb about, or less.
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No, I don't know you, and I don't see why I should. However, based on your Dumbass Answer I assumed that you are a surv main who never played killer against good survivors, and I don't see why I shouldn't have thought so.
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Also, I don't see why you can't evade killers with tunneling in mind, if you use DS. Git Gud
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Tunneling is NOT equivalent to camping. Killers can patrol between gens and hooks, or find scratchmarks which suggests that a survivor ran to the resque, and follow them to the hook. Campers ignore the other three doing generators. Tunnelers don't ignore the others, and try to hinder them, and weigh that against going back to the hook.
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It's clear you play no survivor. Play both sides it will help you a lot. Also I will give you some advice.....If you are in need of tunneling and camping every game you are above your pay grade in MMR. Stop tunneling and just get better instead of playing the same survivors that you can't keep up with.
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I got called a tunneler for hooking someone on their 2nd hook. I leave and before I get far someone saves him. I don't know where anyone is so I run back to the hook. I see the unhooked and the rescuer working on a gen and the unhooked didn't bother to heal. So now I know they don't have DS and they are on dead hook so I go after them. Apparently there's some rule that states
"thou shall not hook survivor once unhooked until yee has hooked the other 3 at least once"
I mean your on dead hook, you choose to repair a gen instead of healing right in my face. Of course I'm going to go after you.
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You are for real😂 DS gets of off wiggle and a few meters before killer is right back up your ass. It's barely anti-tunnel. i don't run it and do just fine. I would bring WOO before DS. Chew your entire game up on you.
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Why make a forum post? You clearly give to shits what people got to say. Seems you just want to argue your case for tunneling. Do you bro.
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I don't think I've mentioned anything about killers having to camp, where the hell did you dream up of that idea?
And that 'advice' is BS, I say the opposite: If you are matched against survs who gives 4k after 2222 hooks, you probably don't belong there.
Most DBD pro players going against other players say so too, play more games and raise your MMR to the point that you actually are matched with skilled opponents
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Forgot every killer thinks there high MMR. Winning 10x more than I lose means I'm lower MMR. Gotch ya 🤨
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Maybe it's you who don't want to read what the other person has to say. Maybe I was better off talking to my coke can than you.
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Maybe.
Doubt it.
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I still don't know what the hell your talking about in my first post I didn't say anything about camping.
You're talking about tunneling is what I replied to. Tunneling one person all game could cost you the game. But if you want to chase one person for the whole match that's you learn to go after other players.
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I have 800 hours on this game. I get tunneled pretty frequently. By time the killer gets their first hook on me, 2 gens are done. They tunnel and lose the remaining 3 gens and the gates are 99'd by time they get their second hook on me. If they do manage to kill me, the other three survivors are already inside the exit gate.
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there's a profanity filter on these forums, clearly some people don't know how to use it.
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I thought I made my point that tunneling does not equal ignoring the other three. Tunneling means that you get the weaker survivor killed first, and that's if you have equal, or at least similar, chance at getting that survivor down again, compared to other chances.
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The thing is would say I don't tunnel cause I don't go after right from the hook you get a smack max if I'm there when you get unhooked and the others can pick you up freely but if I come to the hook and just see you sitting there in open field healing or blessing a totem you get back at the hook and I don't feel that's tunneling cause you kinda asked for it.
But I have to admit if the gates are open or powered and it's your death hook I will probably go for you but I would say that's fair and squar cause why should I go for more hooks if I can atleast secrue one kill if I had a bad game and I think most survs accept this cause they they would do the same.
Funny enough I get accused of tunneling like every second game I think most of the time you didn't tunnel but the other side is just a bit frustrated caus losing is frustrating
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I'm waiting between 5 to 10 minutes to find a match.
In short I'm in the match less than 4 minutes, running and getting down all match without doing anything else.
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See this is why I don't understand what you're getting at.
First you talk about tunneling the weak link. Then you talk about not ignoring the other three.
or at least similar, chance at getting that survivor down again
This! What you said right here is what I meant about losing the match because of tunneling one person could cost you the match.
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Well, you do have to chase someone, don't you? Who do you think would be easier to catch? A healthy survivor? Or an injured survivor who was just unhooked?
What I'm saying is that it is at least the same difficulty, even after considering BT.
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Well, how well exactly does this "Good" survivor play? Do you seriously think you play better than 10k+ playtime user?
Even DBD pro players with 10k+ playtime admits that tunneling is necessary for killers matched against similarly high skilled survs.
(https://clips.twitch.tv/DaintyTemperedVultureDoggo-gO-boHZYJhYdTQUS)
The clip is in Korean, so I would translate it.
[After the hook:
This is important.
You have to track the unhooked survivor immediately and down them again.
Consider this as a must.
Follow them like this, and block them, get close to them and down them.
You can do any other things as you like, but you have to take this surv down, even you get struck by DS. This is essential, and you should follow this.]
Go ask any other person if this translation is a fake. Go on. I dare you.
So, does your greatness still think that an idea from a player with 10k+ playtime is also a noob idea?
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Like my second reply on this topic
I don't camp or tunnel the victory doesn't feel that rewarding to me.
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Survivor's who don't like tunneling: Tell me you are the weakest link without telling me you are the weakest link.
The killer is an entity powered murder-train, they do not care for the survivor's feeilngs.
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That's 100% understandable, and I don't see any reasons that you shouldn't do so. However, what I'm saying is players complaining against others who want to optimize their play is a another story.
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You mean IF the killer is afar. And enjoy getting tunneled by a Phead, wasting 2 perks for nothing
And yes, tunneling is the most efficient way to win the game as killer, and that totally sucks for survivors. Asking such a question is kinda stating obliviousness or ignorance. I think it is kinda obvious what the problem of tunneling is for survivor side
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Yes, PHead is the bane of that setting.. It's at least assuring that I don't see him often
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In this case it actually makes sense to go for someone that is not on death hook, because you keep the others in play to go for the safe and you get probably more hooks.
Of course you can also secure the kill if you wanna end the game and if kills are more important to you than points and hooks and some more endgame action
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Am i the only one thinking this is going to end in a '1v1 me bro' manner?
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If you have 4 survivors alive, if you have a survivor hooked, if you chase another survivor, then at least one person has to go to the rescue. Then there is only one survivor running gens, in a best-case scenario for survs. if you don't chase a survivor, there are two survivors on gen in average. If you don't have someone hooked, and are in a chase, there are three survivors on gens.
If you have 3 survivors alive, if you have a survivor hooked, if you chase another survivor, there are nobody running gens. If you aren't, there are one person on gen. If nobody is hooked, and you are in a chase, there are two on gens.
Overall, removing the first survivor greatly impacts the survivors' abilities on gens. It's not a 25% cut on gen progress, it's 33% or more.
And currently at higher MMR genrushing while the first survivor is using up safe pallets is faster than most killers can manage, with exceptions of high-powered killers, so to get 4k, tunneling is a safe bet.
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And do you see in these games why tunneling causes issues for many survivors? Especially when you are in SWF and are forced to watch idle instead of hopping on the next game? Especially when you play in the evening with horrible survivor queue times, hopping from hook to hook rather than hopping from game to game?
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I've proved my point that a 10k+ hour player's idea is also the same.
I believe there are not many players who have the skills to be entitled to say otherwise, and I don't believe that any one of those would be on this forum now.
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I'm not saying that tunneling is for the whole game, I'm just saying that reducing the survs to three is important, because if you don't, well, maths.
I agree that tunneling is unfun to play against, but so is losing against gen rushing. Survs and Killers aren't expected to put how fun the opponent is going to be before their own fun, are they?
Also, PHead is one of the lesser powerful killers, so it's fair game.
Finally, (Bad Word) SWFs. Most of them are very, VERY unfun to play against, using Discord voicechats as their 5th and 6th perks.
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I'm actually not saying that any player needs to look at the fun of the other side. It would be nice if it was like this, and I prefer to take care, because we are in fact playing this game together. But a majority of the community gives a s* about the other side, which is pretty sad, but also regarding the behavior of a lot of players pretty understandable.
But regarding this line "I agree that tunneling is unfun to play against" I wanna point back to your title and ask if this was clickbait
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Survivors don't like tunneling because when done properly the end result is that they all die.
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What I'm saying is that players should NOT demand the other side to make sacrifices for them
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Its kinda sad too see that there are still poeple tyring to defend tunneling. And those are the same that complain about genrush after their first game ever.
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