Are the Devs really reading the Forum
I would say no and if they do they just decide to ignore it.
We have countless posts about the deaths linger nerv about tunneling and camping about the overall balance and now that we have a good portion of new players every day you see atleast one post about how unfair the game is especially for killers.
If a new player comes to the game and after two weeks see that killers just get stompt and survs just get camped and tunneled as a result of it why would the keep playing?
Sure you don't need to Adress every cry post but if you see something over and over and over again it is something that bugs your community and you should address it asap.
Bigger changes like reworks for killers and maps need longer I know but why don't we have balance patches atleast every two weeks?
There are so many dead perks in the game and you Devs can simply see this. You will always have perks that are somewhat stronger and get more picks but the meta is hard as a rock and the only change we ever git was coh and thats just cause it's unbalanced af.
Either delete all the perks no one ever uses or balance them and the meta perks to have roughly the same strength.
And work on the camping and tunneling problem. Sure many killer mains say it's a symptom of the unbalance and they are right but even if the killers where the power role you would have enough that would facecamp and hard tunnel so find a way to. Prevent it without screwing every one I was surprised when I learnt you trashed your last plans cause survs abused it atm I wouldn't be surprised if something like that would just put into the game and killer had just to deal with it. The winter event is the best evidence for that.
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I've seen Almo reply to posts. So it does happen.
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Why would they?
We basically have the same 10 threads on rotation.
Anyone want to discuss noed or boons?
Again?
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And why is that cause nothing happens
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The mods are mostly gathering and forwarding feedback, devs rarely interact with the forums in their free time.
keep in mind the forums are not the only place for feedback. Also there is almost always contradicting feedback on every matter.
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No in a healthy game the Devs should react to what the players think that doesn't mean they should act every time someone makes a cry post
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Agreed, they aren't worried about our feedback.
It's their baby and they will do as they please
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OH yeah you are right the mods are for that sure.
And yes there is contradicting feedback but when you see something like the state of the killers atm or how useless most perks are they just need to act
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Yep and many devs are like that and that is a big problem. Sure it's there baby and the should ultimately make the decision about the general way and feel but if they just ignore what every player says about bad and unbalanced game play sooner or later they will have a dead baby
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Some Devs do read the forums, but keep in mind they do it in their free time, as this is not their job, they have their role and the feedback is gathered by the community team, being us the main interaction between the team and the playerbase.
Also as someone mentioned already, this is not the only place where we get feedback, there's multiple outlets for that.
And just to be pedantic, you do have a Dev that interacts here constantly, which is Mandy.
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Do they need to act though?
because maybe the state of killer is not as bad as the whiners try to make it out to be.
(just to be clear, I personally do think killer atm isn’t fun at all)
we are missing the greater picture here. Actual statistics for example (not only those the devs have decided to show us, those are just the top of the iceberg).
and the devs are actually incorporating feedback from both sides. They just need very very long time for it (see OoO, DS, key/hatch mechanics, EGC for examples)
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To be fair you are right like some one else said it's of course not the Devs job to read the forum.
But even if you guys have a team that funnels oire opinion to the Devs and you have devs that actually read the forum why does it feel it. Don't matter to use our voice cause nothing happens is there a good reason why we don't get balance patches on the regular or why simply bustet stuff isn't shut down I mean you have that fancy kills witch afterall
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But when so many people say something over and over again like the old moris then I think there is some truth to it.
And I know some changes need time but just look at the forum and at the game data and see for example coh is picked often and many forum users say its to strong there isn't much you need to change just tweak the numbers that should be a quick thing and then just do it every two weeks till it feels balanced enough
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But when so many people say something over and over again like the old moris then I think there is some truth to it.
what about survivors complaining about camping or tunneling or Noed?
and to clarify again: i didn’t say some things need that much time. But the devs take (too much) time on many things. Some things should be addressed quicker (as CoH). I am not defending their slowness.
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They read the forums, but if they truly cared... Nurse would be fixed by now. It's been 3+ years.
No I'm not attacking the devs.
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Tunneling and camping should also be addressed asap you are right
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That has nothing to so with attacking. Voicing your concerns about a game you like is the right thing
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I think that is inevitable. Nothing last forever. So many long term players are leaving or have left.
I've always stated, that player retention is not their goal. Or else they would balance for more experienced players. Their main concern seems to be bringing in new players and revenue, which from a business standpoint is probably correct.
Attract new players, hope they stay a year and buy some skins and DLC, rinse and repeat until it all drys up.
I mean,they already said, if we don't like it, we could go play Civ 5, can't argue with that.
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Mandy is a dev and they post all the time. I also saw a dev post from a dev a week or two ago saying he was considering removing the opponent’s grades from the endgame screen because a lot of people were confusing them with the MMR and asking for feedback. The overwhelming reply was go ahead and hide opponent Grades since they’re irrelevant to matchmaking. Hopefully they’re following through on it but we’ll see. 🤷♂️
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Yeah the civ 5 statement was probably the worst thing I ever heard from a dev cause all it says is we are to lazy or ignorant to work. On our game just leave us alone
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I saw that about the gad es to let's see if something happens but you can have fifty devs commenting on every post here but if nothing happens it's worthless
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But they do make changes sometimes in part due to player feedback. The relatively recent changes to keys and moris were in line with a lot of complaints about the old versions. Deathslinger’s nerf to his ability to instantly shoot from the hip was likewise inline with survivor complaints.
So they do listen, they just don’t act on many of the complaints or suggestions because honestly a lot of them are bad or contradictory ideas or impractical at a technical level.
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Pretty sure they read the feedback section.
Also what is your definition of countless posts about balance?
How many different forum users here complain about balance? 100?, 200? There are probably over a milion playibg this game.
Just because you see the same 100 people complain about the same thing doesn't automatically mean it's actually a priority one problem for the mayority.
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Reading? Yes.
Taking into consideration? Definitely not.
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I see you don't understand how this forum works. People have been outright flat out banned, jailed, etc for "voicing their concerns with the game."
I agree with you, but I'm only adding emphasis that it's not my intent to disrespect the devs to avoid such issues, if possible.
Sorry for the bump
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Did this "voicing concerns about the game" happen to involve insults, personal attacks and non-constructive criticism, by any chance?
Because I find it hard to believe that anyone has genuinely been banned/jailed for merely discussing their thoughts in a polite matter, and I've been active on this forum since it was created.
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Mandy is a moderator at forums, not the dev. Dev is a person that DEVelops the game, meaning she/he builds the game. Programming, creating 3D/2D assets, designing, providing with professional voice lines etc
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Eh. Sometimes bans seem a little bit harsh. But it’s always because of breaking forum rules (intentionally or unintentionally) and not just because of voicing your opinion.
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Of course feedback from here and elsewhere is funneled to the devs. None of it is ignored (aside from our stupid in-fighting with each other) although as pointed out lots of it is contradictory and/or impossible.
Please keep in mind most if you here, in particular the outrageously good veteran players, are all together a small part of the playerbase, and they must and do take all players into consideration.
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Mandy is a Senior Community Manager at BHVR and the term ‚devs/developers‘ can very well be extended to people that are working on the game on other departments like community management, support, QA etc. It’s not only involving programmers and designers.
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Without programmers, designers, artists etc there would be no dead by daylight. Community manager is not a dev. They do not develop the game.
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Sorry but no, Game Devs are people that work in the gaming industry on a game and help develop the game in anyway. I'm also not a moderator, I in fact barely moderate :)
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Sorry, but that's not a develop meaning bruh
You can't compare posting a silly memes on twitter with programming that requires high logic and analytical thinking. Without them there would be no games, 3d softwares, websites etc.
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no one ever said the game would exist without programmers etc.
that’s not part of the definition of ‚devs‘ though. The term you are looking for is probably creators? Even that would go beyond that…
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regardless of your feeling about that, it is game dev work I'm afraid.
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My guess is the forum managers read it whole, filter the posts and ideas and the ones that are actually worth it get sent to the developer team.
As for the people who actually tinker with the game? my guess is some of them probably on a daily basis, some of them from time to time and some probably never, in any case odds are developers mostly ignore rants, "OMG NERF THIS!!" and power trip threads/posts alltogether.
P.D. Semi-related to this, I would love to know what the developer team thinks of Sluzzyposting, I know theyll never tell but damn Im curious.
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Even the wiki explains what the definition of ''dev'' means.
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It's not my personal feeling. It is just how it is.
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Okay…
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even if the feedback here was actually valuable it'd get ignored all the same lol
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What feedback is valuable?
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Fascinating how this went from "are the devs reading this" to "whats the definition of a game dev".
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More like „one person ignores the definition of game dev because it doesn’t fit their narrative“
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direct opinion on why whatever the subject is needs to be focused on without rants about the devs, survivor/killer players or whatever else. i think you see a lot more posts along the lines of "[Thing] is bad and so are the people who use it!" rather than "[Thing] is unbalanced/weak/etc. and I think it needs to be changed". discussion here is usually more inflammatory than productive, although i'm not exactly helping that a lot of the time
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They do. They are even active on posts. But it depends, when it comes to sticky issues they tend to look the other side
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Why don't you back down game revs work in gaming industry on many tasks
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There is a difference between "game developer" as in job and "game developer" as in the whole team.
Think of it as construction worker and construction team, if your job is to put bricks with cement to make walls you are a construction worker, if your job is to drive the truck taking sacks of cement and bricks from the warehouse to the construction site you are a driver and not a construction worker but you are still part of the construction team and you fall over the construction workers collective agreement and trade unions even if you arent technically a pure "construction worker".
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Nah sorry. But developer means that he's building something like a project. He's part of building a house. You can't compare community manager with developers. As the definition says it for itself community manager is meant to take a feedback from other users, posting things on social media etc. They have nothing to do with actually building a game. Please don't compare an important job statues like programming with community manager. You can replace a community manager but finding the same good programmer is basically... very low chance. Have some respect for developers, because thanks to them we have amazing things that we use nowadays like smartphones for example. Do you think community manager could program smartphone without high expierience?
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I am working in software development and you are very wrong. You can very much replace programmers and designers.
have some respect for people and their jobs. Even the software devs/programmers/designers at BHVR will consider Mandy as part of the dev team, because they are directly working with her on the game and can value the work of other people.
you are the only one being disrespectful here.
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They are having a hand in making and shaping the game though. it’s not only the people writing the code.. (edit: the term you actually mean is software developer or programmer/coder. And then designers and artists and testers are also not part of those…)
the first Wikipedia article argument was brought up by the person that wanted to prove your point btw.
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