Interesting comment on a NOED video...
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Except we weren't.
We were fairly even and without NOED proc'ing, we likely would've had at least a 2 man escape, if not 3.
There was no time to cleanse totems, that's what I'm getting at. NOED's counterplay is unreasonable for the boost it gives to Killers.
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I have 4.500 hours as surv in this game. When I play against killers that only get 2 or 3 hooks during the match I know he is using noed. Noed is the reason why trash killers with 100 hours play against me. So yes, noed is not a balanced perk and should be changed or removed
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Noed is a fine perk. Just a little boring at times if you play solo. People are much more risk averse and just leave if there is Noed which makes end game boring. Otherwise, it's not a game changer really. It might secure a kill or two which is more than fair since you went the first ten minutes only running three perks.
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Re-reading your example, I assumed you would be killed quickly either way, as you were out of position, but didn't really take map state or anything into account.
There's a lot of missing information for me to comment any further - I appreciate the pewvious clarification and reply, though.
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u tell dem champ
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ROfl. NoED is like any perk. But sure; it's the only reason you find bad Killers. 🙄
It's not 'rewarding losing' or 'bad play'. It's a perk, which triggers after 5 gens pop, end of story. Suck it up and do bones.
If you die to NoED, it's not because it's OP, it's because you genrushed, or the Killer kept you from doing bones.
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Another reason they could be facing bad killers at their mmr is that they are at the appropriate mmr.
Who knows? Who cares?
It's just amusing that people complain about consistently facing bad players at their own MMR <_<
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I hate Noed. My solo queue destroyed a demogorgon all game and then got killed by noed. Demogorgon went the entire game with three perks. We should get all 5 gens Just because he killed us doht mean yell at the kilker and talks about Noed.
Don't cleanse bones you know you have the chance of noed. Whether he had one hook or 6 does not matter. 5 gens done...does not matter because you still ######### died. I swear people are just...Meh these days.
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I've been getting a mad, mad amount of salt about NWO being cheap, as of late, too....in a build that doesn't even run NOED.
People are really stuck on the 5 gen mentality despite the fact that end-game specific perks are sprinkled into the game every now and then.
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Yeah I don't know why 5 gen's matters. That is not your only objective you still have to open the gate and leave you didn't do that you lost doesn't matter what perk came into play. If I have a game where a specific killer is just not very good on this map, every Survivor has dead hard, is 45 pallets, all my hexes are gone in 30 seconds do you think anyone gives a s*** that was a fair match or not answer is no. Escape or die all that matters.
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I agree with Angy's take here.
The killer can create the perception that they are "losing" by focusing on a seperate objective than the survivor's anticipate.
In this case, SpookNJukes could have valued creating dead zones over hooking survivors, knowing full well that he would reap the benefits of this once NOED was active.
I would argue that this is in fact balanced, because the survivors failed to efficiently use all of their resources, and paid the price as a result.
This isn't the case with all killers who use NOED, but you can definitely play for the end game. SupaAlf does it all the time in his Insidious Nurse videos.
The perception that a survivor has "won" because they did all 5 gens without being hooked is inherently flawed.
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Racoon beat me to it.
Yeah, you were outplayed. You weren't "fairly even" he'd already gotten most of his hooks in prior to noed activating, and again, did it with literally nothing but 2 different types of gen slowdown that don't actually work together.
Without NOED, he would have had an extra perk slot to put in bbq, nurses, or any of a dozen other perks that would have helped him find and catch you sooner.
This actually reminds me of an otz video I was watching to try and learn trapper. He staked out and trapped half the map, but didn't pressure any of the other gens. They got 4 gens done by the time he'd hooked 2 people. By the time the last gen was around 90% everyone was dead.
In that scenario, were they "mostly even?" At the beginning of the match? Or was Otz simply playing a strategy that didn't require gen defense?
Your blight had 8 hooks by the time the last gen was repaired. That means he'd killed one of you, and had 2 others on death hook, unless someone on your team just hid all game to escape being hooked at all. That's not "even" that's more "about to snowball" noed or not.
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This talk of is X fair because of Y is bullshit and laughable. The game is made up of mostly RNG which means most things are luck/unfair. Think its fair when pigs traps are removed on first attempt? Or survivors having stacked perks? Rng either destroys the killer or gives them a chance....unless they just suck as killer in which they lose regardless.
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1. The mmr doesn't look at whether a killer has noed before matching him with survivors of the same skill level. If you are consistently getting baby killers, that's not on them.
2. 4500 hours on survivor, still haven't learned the totem spawns?
How many hours on killer? Or are you one of those who prefers to play 50% of the game they paid for in full?
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NOED just isn't a well-designed perk.
Much like Dead Hard and old DS.
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