What if Leatherface couldn't use his chainsaw within 3 metres of a hook?
This would be a perfect way to stop facecamping with this killer. He can't rev his chainsaw when close and if he is already using it, the chainsaw ends when it goes in this range.
In return maybe buff his token recharge speed or make the tantrum shorter. I don't know. But this would completely solve the facecamping problem!
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umm...So he can't punish altruistic survivors..?
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He would use it within 4 meters of a hook.
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But the chainsaw attack would end when he got too close to the hook. Like when it runs out of charges.
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Then chainsaw then after they go away from the hook, if you're that desperate to camp. Or grab them off the hook...or chainsaw them before they get to the hook. You shouldn't be able to just get two free instadowns with no counterplay just by existing nearby, it's stupid.
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The killer would lose his identity then.
PS: Do not enrage the Bubba.
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He would just wait until the unhook then or saw the saviour before he gets 3 meters close to the hook (which is also the best outcome of a facecamping situation, saviour down and no unhook). Or switch to Trickster or Huntress (who are also incredible strong facecampers).
Problem is not Leatherface/Killers camping but it being so hard to punish by Solo Survivors which makes the strat so appealing, if BHVR somehow manages to give Solos a way of punishing facecamping where a Killer doing this ends the game with only 1 Kill maybe they will stop doing it.
The problem with camping wont be solved with new systems that can be abused by Survivors or by tweaking Killers one by one and change how they work around hooks, or with perks etc, it will be solved once it starts to not pay off, unless that happens people will keep finding ways of doing it and raking in 3-4 kills.
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just went against a Build A Bubba and you forget that he can still m1 and BT is your only hope. It sucks when you dont bring it but thats i guess always the risk. Personally i think he needs something more like the sprint removed when near a hook so he can still multishot but not as recoverable if the save is planned right.
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Every time someone tries to solve Bubba facecamping they somehow come up with a worse solution than the last
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I would wait till they unhook, then I can hit both anyway.
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Ah yes; let's give Survivors functional immunity from a Killer's power near the hook. There's no way this would be abused! 🙃
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Picture how many hooks are on a map. Now imagine everytime Bubba is in a chase a survivor just loops him around a loop with a hook nearby, turning off the chainsaw every time.
Almost certainly totally breaks Bubba. No amount of extra charges makes up for that.
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Grabs working?
You nuts to think if those still work,
And plus technically..billy can still get those insta-downs, but nobody complains about that.. lol
Im sorry but, i'd rather punish Altruistic survivors than to nerf one Singular killer that's already Mid-tier,
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He'll make you squeal like a piggy 🐖
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Every time a post like this is made you just realise how many survivors are in this forum who have no skills and don't know what to do against camping.
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So Everytime bubba is chasing someone they have a safe zone to run to? Doesn't seem in keeping with the spirit of the game, though it does bring to mind when BHVR made it so that hook progress slowed if the killer was nearby. Nobody got rescued, because the survivors preferred to keep that safe zone up, rather than have a full, working team.
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This isn't said enough but this idea creates an immunity zone where you can leave survivors on hooks and loop around them if they want to negate his saw. Yes you can m1 but that creates unfair scenarios where a bubba will get there power cancelled by deliberate exploitation.
Picture your bubba your making distance on the survivor and then they lead you to a hooked survivor. As you start to close the gap. Your saw fails and that survivor moves on to the next loop instead of saving there friend.
Please envision yourself as the killer before suggesting changes that would be easily exploited. Yes camping bubba sucks but I d sooner recommend a hook rework system then randomly gut killer powers and add additional frustration mechanics for people who are playing fairly.
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Yes I should, if Survivors are stupid enough to go for the unhook without BT while I am nearby as a Killer with an insta-down power.
Survivors really need to stop demanding the devs hold their hands & make the game easier just because they don't want to be punished for bad plays. And yes, it's the Survivor's bad play, because they have to willingly go to a hook while knowing who the Killer is, knowing he is nearby, and attempting an unsafe unhook. Why should the Survivor get that unhook for free?
'What if I don't know who the Killer is/that he is there?' Then he out-played you and deserves the double-down.
But to some Survivors; camping is against their made up rules, and it's just a matter of time before BHVR enforces their fake rules on everyone else. 🤭
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Sounds not very fair to just turn off a Killers power
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Sounds not very fair to stop a survivor from playing the game by facecamping them
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I'd stay on the hook as along as possible and watch my teammates escape while the Killer gets 1, maybe 2K, provided my teammates aren't potatoes.
ANd if the Bubba is trying to anger me with revving in my face; I laugh.
So many Survivors seem to have this weird mindset where they think 'My fun matters more', which is the excuse they use to shame Killers and scream for nerfs & punishments.
They also have this idea that Killers exist to promote Survivor fun, as if Killers are paid employees at a haunted house. They're supposed to be scary, but let Survivors go. The second one is unhappy they were camped to death, Survivors want to 'speak to the Manager' (IE: Scream at BHVR for punishments).
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Can we please remove Bubbas chainsaw and make it so he can't attack survivors please? I was doing a gen and he was able to kill me which is an obvious bug
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I have the best idea. Every time Bubba hooks a survivor, an small, cute and rideable fluffy pony spawns on the map. Bubba can than choose to continue camping or go get the rideable mount and chase others. The mount will despawn if he goes back to the hook.
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What an amazing idea I support this 1000%
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Sounds like a game issue and not a Bubba issue then
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Nobody stopped you from playing the game. Being on a hook is part of playing as survivor. This is probably the only pvp game I've ever seen where people seriously try to use this argument.
Even the literal children playing Fortnite, when they are sniped out of the air before they get a chance to even take a step (far less "playing" than a healthy survivor gets being chased for 2 health states by a killer in DbD) don't try and claim they were unfairly stopped from playing, and they're just eliminated in that game, no chance of rescue.
Even in games like the Souls and Watch Dogs, where you could invade someone's game and kill them while they are trying to complete a quest, people don't whine that they aren't being allowed to play.
I played F13 for years and never heard that complaint, and again, once you die there, that's it. No 3 hook stages, 1 brutal kill animation and you're stuck watching and hoping you get to be the next Tommy.
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What if survivors couldn't run within 3 meters of a hook
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Once again; a Survivor who ignores what goes into getting those 2 Kills to pretend it's a freebie.
If I'm 'standing by the hook'; How did I get my second kill? It was by the second person being stupid enough to come to the hook, knowing I'm an insta-down character, and attempting the unhook, knowing I'm nearby (Because I have this think called a 'Terror Radius', see).
But Survivors just scream 'Camping gets 2 downs!' and gloss over the 'How?' because they want to pretend I magically get an extra down with 0 skill or movement on my part as the Killer.
As for 'Ruining the game for everyone else'; That's the 'My fun is more important than you winning' mentality I literally JUST talked about.
As the Killer, my goal is TO KILL. Not to ask you if you're having fun!
It seems Survivors can run 16 META perks in a 4-man SWF plus voice comms with purple toolkits & flashlights & medkits, but a Killer CAMPED!? 'What about MY fun!?' Screams the META Survivor, while flashlight saving and healing in 3 seconds behind a predropped pallet with Circle Of OP before using his flashlight macro and telling the Killer to 'git gud'. 🙃
News flash: You don't deserve that unhook just because it's 'more fun' when you win.
If your opponent trying his best to win (without cheating or abusing exploits. And no; camping is not an exploit) ruins your 'fun'; stop playing PvP games.
This is the only PvP game I've ever played (and I'm older than the internet, so I've played most of them) where one side puts the onus for 'fun' directly on their opponent, and then treats them like a disobeying slave when they don't follow those made-up rules. it's amazing how entitled and prevalent this mindset is in DBD.
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Says the narcissistic Survivor thinking they can dictate how the Killer wins.
And where did I say I had a power trip? Was it the part where I said I'm not responsible for your fun? Or the part where I was implying the Killer has every right to win, so long as they do not cheat or exploit?
Oh, I guess it was the part where I did not immediately kowtow to Survivors screaming for BS rules to limit how I can win? Hence the 'Treat Killers as slaves' part of my post.
'Nobody is trying to put the onus of fun on the killer. They are trying to put it on BHVR to make the game more fun.'
So, basically 'We want BHVR to prevent the Killer from winning in ways we don't approve.'
Also; many, MANY Survivors have put the onus for 'fun' directly on the Killer. You JUST did it as well by saying I was 'ruining your game' if I camped. IE: I was being a bad boy by not considering your fun as I tried to win.
So you just lied, right here.
'if you don’t think computer games are made for enjoyment then no wonder you have a name called angrykiller'
Ah, the personal attacks. Man, not agreeing with your rules really pissed you off, huh?
I did not say games are not for fun, so piss off with your strawman. Try to follow this:
- I said I, as your opponent, am trying to win.
- Losing is never as fun as winning.
- Therefore, I am not considering your fun as I try to win, because if I succeed in my goal of winning; you will have less fun than if you won.
Your replies are the same entitled Survivor drek as every other entitled Survivor. Just 'You're mean for winning' and personal attacks and lies while you try to pretend I'm evil for not obeying your trash rules and how Survivors are poor little angels who are just trying to make the game better (IE: easier for themselves) with their broken AF suggestions and punishments to prevent Killers from winning.
So I think we're done here.
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Just let it be at this point. Unless the Bubba is bad at the game it’s a free kill. Can’t do anything about that.
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Rofl. Imagine trawling through my post history to attack me. Just more entitled Survivor tactics when they don't get their way.
Where did I ever talk about old BNP? I was not in this forum at the time of old BNP. Or old MOM, or old DS. So yet more whiny lies from toddler Survivor mains pitching tantrums when Killers get uppity. 😂
If you had any sort of reading ability; you'd have seen my comments about genrushing are usually jokes, because genrushing does not exist; It's Survivors doing their job efficiently. I've even said, in one of my posts, that Survivors doing their goal as quickly as they can is their damn right, as is mine when I want to camp someone out because it slows down said gen speeds. But keep up that toddler-like screeching.
As for CoH; even Survivors agree healing speeds are way too over-buffed at the moment. And perk balance does not equal a tactic. But keep right on the with red-faced screaming and stomping feet and personal attacks; It just shows how entitled you are.
I said 'Entitled Survivors treat Killers like slaves if they break fake rules' and here you are; attacking me and lying about what I've said in order to put me in my place for not bowing to you and not agreeing with your trash take on camping.
You may want to just stop while you're behind. It would be the intelligent thing to do.
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But who are you to say how games are meant to be fun?
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Oh dont worry, Ill blow your socks off with this one:
Any time Bubba hooks a Survivor, his chainsaw becomes Nuclear. Any time he even attempts to rev it it explodes and stuns him for 10 seconds, he then needs to go back home to get a new one.
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Just as an example of how bad this would be: What if we stop survivors from holding shift + w for more than 2 minutes. This is plenty of time for them to do stuff and a stamina bar would add a new system that would require management during the chase...
Same baseline: Think about how it could be abused to no end.
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It's one thing to punish killers for agressive facecamping. But it's not adequate to punish them along with it for punishing dumb survivors, who unhook in killer's face when killer wasn't even planning to camp and had no time to leave the hook, before the unhooking started.
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What if survivors couldn't repair within 3 meters of gen?
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Sounds not very fair to stop a killer from playing the game just because survivors feel they are entitled to a chance to escape.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that it will take you a very long time just to get him on hook.
Hi! Figure out how Pig's ambush works yet? :) :) :)
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4 meters is still being in the basement. You still easily can face camp with a limit and just rev, walk up as they are unhooking and it would be the same. I dont really thing there is a decent way to stop bubba from camping but i dont think it should just be removed because it's actually kinda smart if you do it right and get some kills out of it. Maybe if bubba is revving near the hook the survivor being unhooked has a grace period where they cant be hit and can run away so that instead of needing bt you can just trade-off hooks.
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This perception is the problem. You are still playing, being hooked is part of the game.
It’s an elimination game where you could be the first one eliminated via a few different means. This could happen early or late but that’s part of the risk.
Its really weird to me that people sign up for an elimination game and then get angry if they are eliminated. It’s even weirder that people expect the opponent to let them live for as long as possible to the detriment of their own game as part of some unwritten code in name of politeness/fairness.
You got to play the game you just died early for whatever reason as can happen in this game.
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not let you down me in first 40 seconds is usually enough :D
Your problem is that I don't care if I die. I have second monitor power!
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Bubba games are consistently horrible, but the solution won't come via altering his power.
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Like I say to killers tired of gens flying fast or something else, just switch side and you might have more fun.
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Try coming up with a good suggestion then.
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Agreed. Because bubba doesn’t abuse
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what if Bubba teleported survivors at the exit gate if he uses his chainsaw?
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I also need that screen while waiting for ten minutes in queue. It's just good to have :D
Not really, what is your issue? That you can't play while being on hook?
It's possible to get 1 for 1, so it's not like your teammates can't do anything about it. If you got downed near basement, it's kinda on you imo.
You will just die and get to different game. I haven't seen that many killers that actually started game with plan to camp from first hook. Usually it's endgame, where it's understandable, or you pissed him off, where it's deserved.
It's not really fun to camp either, there is usually a reason why killer is doing it.
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That's what you assume is a reason.
There is very little killers that starts game with plan to camp first survivor they can. It's just not majority.
It's possible to get 1 for 1 against bubba. I mean, someone will get downed and you need BT + good pathing from unhooked survivor to not get downed again, but possible. Thing is that it's risky, it's better to let him there and rush gens asap.
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Being hooked is part of the game, buttercup.
Also end game and stuff is fine but a lot of killers aren’t doing it for a reason, they are just doing it because they are narcissistic and enjoy making others suffer.
So camping is okay so long as Survivors don't feel offended, because if they feel offended; clearly, the Killer only did it to make them suffer.
Or are you saying you can sense people's intent through the internet? Because I don't think it's the Killers being narcissistic, at that point.
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Because its easy to exploit im getting chase by bubba i just need to find hook and i remove his power. If you mean when someone is hook then its the same he chase me i go to the hooked survivor and just like that i force him to a M1 killer with no power and becaus ei have BT the hooked survivor will bodyblock and for an easy escape
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