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How do you counter Spirit and Trapper?
This is in killers because some will have played her and understand her power. She mindgames the hell out of me and not even Nurse is that hard to counter. How do you defeat her power my chases against her are 40 seconds long which is decent but small compared to me vs any other killer except Nurse and Trapper. And onto Trapper, how do you counter him. He's always got traps at the small loops that you wouldn't expect and in chase I get crushed. Please help lol.
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For both of them, especially Trapper is to play and get good with him. Then you will learn to judge them and identify their likely trap spots and playstyles. I'm a Trapper main and he is one of the easier ones to go up against for me.
Trapper is by far the most tactical Killer in the game, he has a deceivingly high skillcap because of it and a good Trapper isn't reliant on fixed trap spots to win.
When playing as or against him remember that situations dictate the tactics, try to think about how many traps he could have around and how much time he could spend on them without risking getting rushed.
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
For both of them, especially Trapper is to play and get good with him. Then you will learn to judge them and identify their likely trap spots and playstyles. I'm a Trapper main and he is one of the easier ones to go up against for me.Trapper is by far the most tactical Killer in the game, he has a deceivingly high skillcap because of it and a good Trapper isn't reliant on fixed trap spots to win.
When playing as or against him remember that situations dictate the tactics, try to think about how many traps he could have around and how much time he could spend on them without risking getting rushed.Ok thanks
so if he has ruin, by the time that it's gone he'll most likely have most of them down and if I locate all of them and destroy them, I should be able to give my team a win because he'll spend time trapping around again. Ty dude 0 -
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.0 -
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.I'm getting tunneled all game
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Well , if you get tunneled its often careless teammates who unhook you at bad times. If a Trapper decides to do it i say don't struggle and waste his time, he can't get much out of their traps when they decide to play like that.Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?
Tunneling in general? Well hope your teammates dont blatantly unhook you while he is nearby or just out of the TR, you got 60s so chill and wait till they are chasing someone else, or are across the map.
Don't give him the impression that there is already someone around waiting, in my experience unhooking at the 30-40 second mark works best.
Truth is its unfun, necessary sometimes but you can't control Killers behavior.
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For spirit take a wraith photo when he just wear boxers.
For trapper call him daddy0 -
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.
I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?Well , if you get tunneled its often careless teammates who unhook you at bad times. If a Trapper decides to do it i say don't struggle and waste his time, he can't get much out of their traps when they decide to play like that.
Tunneling in general? Well hope your teammates dont blatantly unhook you while he is nearby or just out of the TR, you got 60s so chill and wait till they are chasing someone else, or are across the map.
Don't give him the impression that there is already someone around waiting, in my experience unhooking at the 30-40 second mark works best.Truth is its unfun, necessary sometimes but you can't control Killers behavior.
Yh. Ty for the advice.
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Spirit: Crouch walk.
Trapper: Don't take obvious loops.0 -
My advice is to play stealthy, and learn how to hide, and run and hide. Killers have bad vision.
The less the killer sees you, the less they can do to you. This works for most any killer.
You can disarm traps. It alerts the trapper when you do, so it's best avoided unless you want to be a distraction, or annoying.
Traps by default have a very small activation radius. If there's one in the middle of a narrow path, I'm almost certain you can hug the wall and go by it.
A lot of trappers will put the traps near important stuff. Pallets, gens, hooked survivors, windows, etc. Approach those with caution.
As for the Spirit, when she uses her power, she can only see scratches, and hear.
If you don't run, she can only hear you. If you're silent, she basically can't track you, and has to guess where you went, or stop using her power.
My suggestion in general is to practice timing of pallet drops, play killer and see where people take you for loops and learn those to improve chases.
Get an evasion maneuver like lithe, sprint burst, dead hard, or balanced landing based on your preferences.
And maybe invest in an aura reading perk to help you know where the killer is, either by learning who is being chased, or by reading the aura of the killer theirselves. Or when the match starts, hide a little and wait for someone else to get chased, then make sure you're far away from that, doing gens, or going after Hex Totems.
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Spirits counter: Calm Heart, and back tracking over spread out scratch marks./ knowing when to stop running and hide
trapper counter: 1 guy on the team popping his traps and making him resort to being an M1 killer.
These are kinda blanket statements, so they can't be true 100% of the time, clearly. But in general...
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You counter trapper by having eyes and common sense
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@Dragonredking said:
You counter trapper by having eyes and common senseI am talking about in chase, not out of chase. I need to know where to go so I wont get downed in seconds.
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@Poweas said:
@Dragonredking said:
You counter trapper by having eyes and common senseI am talking about in chase, not out of chase. I need to know where to go so I wont get downed in seconds.
Don't walk through grass, that's pretty much it. Look where you're running.
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@Poweas said:
@Dragonredking said:
You counter trapper by having eyes and common senseI am talking about in chase, not out of chase. I need to know where to go so I wont get downed in seconds.
Ok
Then the counter is having eyes and common sense.If you still don't understand that, then try playing trapper and see where YOU would place the trap yourself, and when you play against a trapper assume he's probably gonna place it in similar place that you would.
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You mentioned trapper and spirit then mention tunneling, why am I not surprised?Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?
Spirits havent been as bad recently but literally 99.9% of trappers tunnel. Its all they ever do. If you're first on the hook in a game against the trapper it's game over for you. Best thing to do is go pure stealth and hide until someone else is hit first. Then rush gens and let someone else go for the rescue. Trappers seem to be tethered to a 30-35m radius around the hook so its not worth unhooking someone as they will just die faster that way.0 -
@Poweas said:
This is in killers because some will have played her and understand her power. She mindgames the hell out of me and not even Nurse is that hard to counter. How do you defeat her power my chases against her are 40 seconds long which is decent but small compared to me vs any other killer except Nurse and Trapper. And onto Trapper, how do you counter him. He's always got traps at the small loops that you wouldn't expect and in chase I get crushed. Please help lol.You can run OoO for example and you will see the location of every trap he puts, also voicecomm in a SWF compeltely demolishes trapper.
Against spirit adn trapper its both helpful to walk sometimes instead of sprinting.
I recommend playing them yourself and you will see what the survivors you verse do against you
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@The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.
I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?You mentioned trapper and spirit then mention tunneling, why am I not surprised?
Spirits havent been as bad recently but literally 99.9% of trappers tunnel. Its all they ever do. If you're first on the hook in a game against the trapper it's game over for you. Best thing to do is go pure stealth and hide until someone else is hit first. Then rush gens and let someone else go for the rescue. Trappers seem to be tethered to a 30-35m radius around the hook so its not worth unhooking someone as they will just die faster that way.
Thats what his kit was built for. He simply isnt a mobile killer, he has to play strategically
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Waiting near the hook to tunnel 1 specific survivor isn't playing strategically.Master said:@The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.
I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?You mentioned trapper and spirit then mention tunneling, why am I not surprised?
Spirits havent been as bad recently but literally 99.9% of trappers tunnel. Its all they ever do. If you're first on the hook in a game against the trapper it's game over for you. Best thing to do is go pure stealth and hide until someone else is hit first. Then rush gens and let someone else go for the rescue. Trappers seem to be tethered to a 30-35m radius around the hook so its not worth unhooking someone as they will just die faster that way.
Thats what his kit was built for. He simply isnt a mobile killer, he has to play strategically
Watch any rank 1 killer play him, they do the right thing and trap every good loop in the game in non-obvious spots.
You need to play smart with the traps and trapper can kind of get a snowball effect. Using his abilities just to camp/tunnel only works at low ranks and even then people still manage to get away.0 -
I found a way to counter Spirit, use urban evasion and iron will combo, the second she starts phasing u use the combo to get away. It works 99% of the time for me.
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@Master said:
@Poweas said:
This is in killers because some will have played her and understand her power. She mindgames the hell out of me and not even Nurse is that hard to counter. How do you defeat her power my chases against her are 40 seconds long which is decent but small compared to me vs any other killer except Nurse and Trapper. And onto Trapper, how do you counter him. He's always got traps at the small loops that you wouldn't expect and in chase I get crushed. Please help lol.You can run OoO for example and you will see the location of every trap he puts, also voicecomm in a SWF compeltely demolishes trapper.
Against spirit adn trapper its both helpful to walk sometimes instead of sprinting.
I recommend playing them yourself and you will see what the survivors you verse do against you
I'm earning spirit rn and trapper I've got enough advice for these guys @Dragonredking gave some pretty solid advice. Ty for the help against them guys
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Spirit? That ooga booga girl is one of the EASIEST killers to counter. Using Urban Evasion and Iron Will will easily throw her off guard when phase walking since she can’t hear you or see your scratch marks. In my own experience Spirit and Nurse are the two killers that I have the easiest time with. I only say Nurse because of the times I play on PS4.
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Against spirit: iron will. Many spirits use stridor.
Against trapper: small game. I always run that perk to remove all dull totems, so it's not only useful for traps.0 -
For Spirit just walk. Don't run unless it's a chase, and if even if you don't see her following you she probably is so just assume until you are sure she's not following you. If she plays a mind game walk away from the loop in a way that if she's just standing there faking it she would have to break the pallet to keep on you. If she wasn't faking it chances are she will still think you are at the loop but you have moved on. Run Iron Will and Spine Chill to counter her.
For Trapper, check windows, pallets, and tall grass for traps. Check around loops. Always run to areas you are sure are trap-free (or be aware of where the traps are when you go somewhere). Run Small Game and Sabo if you want to hard counter a Trapper.
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@TigerKirby215 said:
Spirit: Crouch walk.
Trapper: Don't take obvious loops.you can walk normal by the spirit, she only can see the scratchmarks through running
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Spirit is both easy and hard to counter. She plays like a chess game you predict opponent's move and she predicts yours. Just have to watch her in chase with other survivor to figuire out how that spirit games. If does alot of 1 second phases then just run. If they do alot of 5 second and up phases should run towards spirit to scratchmark juke the killer. If they constantly change up there phasing then the know how to play chess right. i like spirit cause its a battle of minds rather than taking advantage of mechanics. So just try to read your opponent movements.
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@Poweas said:
This is in killers because some will have played her and understand her power. She mindgames the hell out of me and not even Nurse is that hard to counter. How do you defeat her power my chases against her are 40 seconds long which is decent but small compared to me vs any other killer except Nurse and Trapper. And onto Trapper, how do you counter him. He's always got traps at the small loops that you wouldn't expect and in chase I get crushed. Please help lol.With Spirit you have to gen rush, she can usually cut you off or follow you really close if you're looping, best hope is if you have Dance With Me and use it to hide your scratch marks or use Urban Evasion to backtrack without colliding into her pretty much stealth perks are your only option since she can actually outrun most exhaustion perks with her add ons. You could use quick and quiet on a locker and juke her that way if she's charging.
Trapper is hard countered by Small game and sabotage but it takes forever, it pretty much tells you where a trap is within 15 feet, best thing is to just avoid his traps and leave them there so you don't alert him back to where you are unless he's already in a chase and just watch where you're running.0 -
Hilarious unecessarily powerful counter. Use a map with the twine that allows you to track killer belongings to identify where traps are placed. Works on hag too btw. Throw on a crystal bead to show a survivour in a chase what loops are safe and what arent.
Spirit like nurse is dependant on her making a mistake iron will makes a spirits phasing chase much harder. Watch out for when she stands still she maybe faking phasing to see what direction your going.0 -
Trapper is fairly easy actually:
learn the spost and crouch through tall grass, as you will be notified when there is a trap to disarm. remember where he went, as this is mostly the trapped area and start disarming everything when he is chasing someone else.
Spirit on the other hand is more of a difficult one, as i dont see many spirits and i also dont rly have a strategy against her atm, but this killer is all about being unpredictable. is she vaulting the window? is she phase walking? we dont know, but we can guess. spirit heavily relies on mindgames, so if you trick her, you will get a high reward, as you will gain a huge distance and she needs to recharge her haunting. if she tricks you on the other hand, your done for.i hope i could help you ^^
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@Mister_xD said:
Trapper is fairly easy actually:
learn the spost and crouch through tall grass, as you will be notified when there is a trap to disarm. remember where he went, as this is mostly the trapped area and start disarming everything when he is chasing someone else.
Spirit on the other hand is more of a difficult one, as i dont see many spirits and i also dont rly have a strategy against her atm, but this killer is all about being unpredictable. is she vaulting the window? is she phase walking? we dont know, but we can guess. spirit heavily relies on mindgames, so if you trick her, you will get a high reward, as you will gain a huge distance and she needs to recharge her haunting. if she tricks you on the other hand, your done for.i hope i could help you ^^
Yeah thanks that's pretty helpful. I'll need to learn to understand them more lol.
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Other than playing the killers yourself or watching streams, I'd say the safest routes against the Trapper are the ones with no pallets, windows, or gens around. When I'm running, I always pick paths in between the grass patches and stay near walls and other such edge collisions. The trap is most likely to be placed in the middle of a path and your hit box is smaller than his. If the circumstances are just right, you can skim right by one and have him walk into it.
Also keep in my mind that debris and door jams are nice hiding spots for traps, they tend to blend in better even if they seem obvious when you're staring at them. This included broken pallets btw, they fit amazingly well.
This is less important in a chase, but chests with grass in front of them are easy targets. There was one game where I trapped and killed all four survivors on the Red Woods due to trapping a specific chest.
The last and best advice I can give you is to scout ahead. The Trapper has between 6 and 9 traps available to him through out the match and if you know where these are, you will be able to avoid them easily. If you're in a chase and desperate to use a pallet, give it a good look and be sure that it's a safe one. If you see a trap in it, try to fake him out in the last moment.0 -
Somebody said "tunneling" an there it is our 'nerfhag' appear. Why I'm not surprised?The_Crusader said:
Waiting near the hook to tunnel 1 specific survivor isn't playing strategically.Master said:@The_Crusader said:
Poweas said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
Sorry that i couldn't be more clear on this bit thats with Killers like Trapper and Hag you gotta be familiar with them, thats why i say to play him, look up different playstyles etc.
There is no clear guide to counter him, well except to genrush the ######### out of him since he spends a lot of time on his traps, the only universal weakness.
I'm getting tunneled all game
got any advice for that?You mentioned trapper and spirit then mention tunneling, why am I not surprised?
Spirits havent been as bad recently but literally 99.9% of trappers tunnel. Its all they ever do. If you're first on the hook in a game against the trapper it's game over for you. Best thing to do is go pure stealth and hide until someone else is hit first. Then rush gens and let someone else go for the rescue. Trappers seem to be tethered to a 30-35m radius around the hook so its not worth unhooking someone as they will just die faster that way.
Thats what his kit was built for. He simply isnt a mobile killer, he has to play strategically
Watch any rank 1 killer play him, they do the right thing and trap every good loop in the game in non-obvious spots.
You need to play smart with the traps and trapper can kind of get a snowball effect. Using his abilities just to camp/tunnel only works at low ranks and even then people still manage to get away.0 -
@FoggyDownpour said:
Other than playing the killers yourself or watching streams, I'd say the safest routes against the Trapper are the ones with no pallets, windows, or gens around. When I'm running, I always pick paths in between the grass patches and stay near walls and other such edge collisions. The trap is most likely to be placed in the middle of a path and your hit box is smaller than his. If the circumstances are just right, you can skim right by one and have him walk into it.
Also keep in my mind that debris and door jams are nice hiding spots for traps, they tend to blend in better even if they seem obvious when you're staring at them. This included broken pallets btw, they fit amazingly well.
This is less important in a chase, but chests with grass in front of them are easy targets. There was one game where I trapped and killed all four survivors on the Red Woods due to trapping a specific chest.
The last and best advice I can give you is to scout ahead. The Trapper has between 6 and 9 traps available to him through out the match and if you know where these are, you will be able to avoid them easily. If you're in a chase and desperate to use a pallet, give it a good look and be sure that it's a safe one. If you see a trap in it, try to fake him out in the last moment.Wow thanks that's actually really good advice.
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