Why is BHVR never listening to us?
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Imma have to disagree with you here coach. Ask anyone in the community if they wanted the masks removed and it would probably be 2% of the player base. The average player knows that that isn't black face or whatever stupid reasons they gave and also acknowledge that 1, this is a game about a crazy killer going around killing people while they have to do gens and 2, there are other things like cheaters, broken addons, broken perks, broken maps, and other ######### that need to be addressed.
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Because they do not care.
Simple as that. BHVR doesn't give a damn about us.
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My biggest problem is the time it takes. When the community as a whole has a problem it will take 6-12 months for them to even acknowledge the problem let alone fix it. Thats ok for a pve or single player game but this is a live service pvp game fixes need to be done in a timely manner not sit and wait for a year.
I understand that the devs might get alot of criticism but sorry that comes with the job. Your creating a product for other people to enjoy of course there's going to be criticism and backlash. Now death threats and stuff like that doesn't come with the job and isn't ok.
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I played since 2018 and i had hope in the new MMR when it came out, but, today. BHVR could say anything, the gameplay experience is so much stressfull and unfun then before, 80% agree with this. Everyone say "we hate link set cosmetics" ... BHVR "we will change this" but we have more and more set cosmetic.
PTB is the best champion: A lot of ideas for make better experience, but, every release we have the same from PTB, feedback is useless.
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apart from saying certain comments that are worth an eyeroll, id say the devs do listen as we can see with the multiple patches they come out with, some things might take long to change, and some changes we might not like but the devs think are for the best, the devs arent perfect but we cant say they dont listen at all + the community can get really annoying and whinny, survivor mains want one thing and killer mains want the opposite, theres a lot of things i see people complaining about that i dont understand, the community will never be satisfied as a whole and the devs can only do so much, though there are things i do wish they payed more attention to
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The masks have to go because you can be racist with them. If you want them back, your probably only want them so you can use them to be toxic. ( I am only talking about the actual racist people who used the mask)
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this post is stupid but bhvr is weirdly resistant to criticism, constructive or not.
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The masks are gone my guy, get over it.
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You say that they dont listen to us yet they literally asked the community on how Object of Obsession should be nerf.
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When? They posted a leak of how they would change it and never deviated from that plan while also hiding the boosts it gave.
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They do listen, but only seem implement changes when they are forced thanks to massive q times. Then they turn around and nerf it later like they did to wraith. Dead hard has been complained about since its ptb reveal and they are only now just talking about changing it.. How can something as egregious as Dead hard be ignored for so long with so much evidence of its impact in games?
COH is game destroying and many people including survivors are in agreement that it is not healthy. But here we are... They did a fake nerf to shut people up and are keeping it in the game.
Many content creators and people have done hour long videos and essays on how to improve the health of the game. But they get ignored and in some cases the problems get doubled down on like map design. I dread any new map that comes out because whoever they have designing them does not understand the issues with this game and really loves breakable walls. When are we getting new loop designs?
Gens are too fast compared to the resources available for stalling.
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Well IMO if BHVR were to listen to the community they should only listen to about 5% of the people on these forums. Most of the player basis doesn't care about actual balance. They just want to win. Every time they lose they don't even consider they got out played, they scream "OP PLZ NERF!".
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MandyTalk really needs to stop with the "game designer know what's best." As someone who has worked in game design, no, that is not always the case. And the gaming industry is also littered with a history of game designers who believed just that, and their games are either no longer around, have bled so many players that they basically handed them to their competitor, or are currently in what amounts to maintenance mode due to lack of players remaining.
Let's look at SOE, and them constantly of knowing what's best, full stop. How were they doing again, now known as Daybreak Games? Let's look at current times and WoW's game designers handing FF14 free money, all due to the belief that they know what's best and players playing the game never do. How have their game design decisions over the past few years done for WoW's numbers?
Are game designers generally trained? Sometimes. There are many in the industry with no formal game design schooling or training in game lead positions simply by way of moving up through said studio and shaking the right hands along the way.
This blind, full-stop, claim about game designers is really sad. Especially when the industry as a whole has proven otherwise many times. At least for me, it just takes away credibility.
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Or they want a game that doesn't boil down to patrolling the hook and relying on altruism as OTZ showed
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It's okay to be a murderer throwing humans on meat hooks, but god forbid the killer MIGHT be a racist.
I repeat. Nobody crying that there's a killer terrorizing 4 humans, violently torturing and terrifying them until he kills them. "Its just a video game!"
But whats this? Possibe racism? No longer a video game anymore huh?
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The masks were removed a month ago, my comment was over a month ago. I don't care if you're still upset about it. Either move on or go complain to the devs, not me.
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So because a dev isn't on work time that makes anything they do okay....? Pure mental gymnastics. Also BHVR apologized for this incident so I'm not sure what your talking about unless your saying BHVR backpedaled on that apology.
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https://youtu.be/civV99mXFXo skip to 42:00. They said it wasnt an effective perk yet the community was adamant so they proposed a rework and asked for feedback. The feedback that was given is extremely close to what we have now. Modern Object of Obsession is almost a fan-made nerf.
It would be really great if they did this to certain add-ons.
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Marvins blood only good addon for nemesis? lol I am glad this addon got nerfed for ppl like you.
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The devs are a strawman.
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The last Q%A proves otherwise.
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The last Q%A proves otherwise.
So you're saying the game is limited because of the game code,and a lot of the things players would like to see in this game are not possible ever?
There are a lot of bad ones but there's also a lot of good ones,even streamers like Otz came up with great ideas but it all seems to be water under the bridge.
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Thanks Mandy.
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Almost all of Otzs ideas came true remember that graph Otz made to fix dbd and everyone said they wouldn’t listen. Almost all the ideas Otz suggested were added
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I'm just gonna nitpick 1 section, the reason we are opposed to the leatherback mask removal wasn't because of blackface primarily. Blackface can go, we don't need that. What we got pissy about was your guys choice to remove all the mask even though none of the other mask where being associated with racial hate.
You could of alt-f4 blackface and kept the others, problem solved but you guys chose the freaking nuclear option and got rid of it all.
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