This game isn't survivor sided...
But it isn't killer sided either. I know this might get a lot of hate, but here it goes. A little back story, I was a killer main for about 4 years, only playing survivor maybe once a month. But after the pinhead release and all the changes with boon totems and everything else, I decided to start playing more and more survivor.
I had always thought the game was just really survivor sided. But after watching Otz's video recently, it really made me ponder my own games and what I was doing wrong. And the answer was simple... Nothing. I was doing nothing wrong. I played at least 10 matches a day for 2 weeks, and won 9 out of 10 matches, sometimes 8-out of 10, and they were all either 4ks or one person escaping through hatch.
But the ones I lost are the ones I remember most. Because each one felt like the worst match ever where I'd get completely stomped. And usually I lost them either because they came in more prepared, bringing all the best stuff while I had on just a regular fun build. Or, it was because I made glaring mistakes that I just couldn't see at the time because I was frustrated.
And what's worse is the bad matches would continue on because I was titled, so I would start making mistakes I wouldn't normally make.
But with survivor it was different, and here's why. Even though I would die more than I'd escape at first, I'd never really get overly frustrated. Yeah I'd get bad teammates occasionally that'd tick me off, but I'd never get titled or upset, and that's why. I had teammates I could brush it off onto. "Oh that was just a bad match cause I had some bad teammates." I always had the extra shoulders to carry the blame.
With killer, you don't have that. You only have yourself and your skills to blame. And it's a lot easier to blame game balance than to look at yourself and say you lost.
But here recently, I've been looking at things a bit differently when I play. If I get caught while I'm a survivor I'm like, "Oh I should've ran this way instead of that way, or looped in this direction, or used my dead hard a second quicker."
And as killer I'm like," Am I running this tile efficiently? Am I pressuring them and making them go where I want them to go? How is my time being used?"
I do still have the occasionally teammate that'll hide in the corner all game, everyone does. But it's not as much as I originally thought. It's just that the bad parts always get remembered more than the good parts.
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except 1 big difference and how you can tell ANY game is one sided or not. if both play perfectly and i mean 100% perfectly which side wins more. thats survivor if the killer and survivor play 100% perfectly the game goes to the survivor 9/10 times
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It's only survivor sided at hyper high levels of play, which basically nobody ever will face. Otherwise, it's pretty even.
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Problem is that you can say it's survivor / killer sided only when both sides have equal skill and are using same resources, which just is never going to happen in random lobby, almost...
Only thing Otz showed us is that the side which used more resources is going to more likely win (items, perks, addons, offerings, playstyle) and that camping / tunneling is really effective way to win a game, who would have thought?
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That's actually not true. A recent tournament showed that... Highest level survivors and killers, all SWFs, both sides allowed to bring whatever they want. And it was actually 50/50 most of the time with killers doing surprisingly well. Even some B and C tier killers like wraith and Reworked gunslinger doing surprisingly well.
So I mean, the evidence is kinda there
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Depends on a killer a lot.
You don't need to be that good to destroy Wraith, Legion, Clown etc.
But that story is different for Nurse, Blight...
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Well no, if I was going just by Otz's video I would've just said it's killer sided, because he averaged over 3 kills per game and won 9 out of 10 times, that'd be completely unbalanced.
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please show a competition that had everytrhing allowed and killers are getting 3k+ I would love to see the vods for that.
but again. im betting mistakes were made on both sides. but if played perfectly the killer will never be able to catch the survivor because in the end killer relies on survivor to make mistakes. not the other way around.
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I disagree, it is survivor sided.
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Um. No. First of all, out of the 30 matches, 27 of them were S-tier killers. The other 3 were A-tiers (Pinhead, Oni, Huntress). Pinhead and Oni got completely humiliated. Spirit was a joke in all but 1 of her 4 matches. Even Nurse lost the majority of her matches. Blight and Huntress were the only two that did good, and Huntress only played one single match, which is too small for any conclusions. Furthermore, that tournament was guesswork-influenced because people would try and preemptively guess what the other is picking and try to counter it. Sometimes they guessed right, and so they usually won. Sometimes they guessed wrong, and thus usually lost.
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It was literally the tournament that spooky just commented for. He and quite a few other streamers actually commented about how even the tournament actually was.
And no, that's simply not true. If played perfectly by both sides, without any perks or add-ons, completely even, the killer would eventually catch any survivor due to killers being faster and have the ability to get faster over time.
The difference in games and what people think is an unbalance of power, is actually usually a difference in skill.
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No? That's what I am talking about. It's just a contest about how much that side wants to win.
He often had more hours than whole team against him. How is that equal skill?
In first half where he won everything he had best perks, map offerings and addons.
When he played without perks, he was using camping / tunneling a lot and still was way better than them anyway.
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You are very conveniently ignoring that he got those kills because the survivors in those videos were complete morons that voluntarily suicided to a camping killer. Furthermore that MMR doesn't give accurate matches at all, least of all for someone like Otz with nearly 8000 hours.
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Theres a lot of RNG that can ######### you over on both sides. Ita never black and white as some people try to portrait it.
While its true that on highest level its survivor favoured, doesnt mean killers dont have tools to make it easier for them as well.
Its just isnt fun
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So please explain a situation where the killer can catch a survivor with no mistakes in either side. Remember running into a dead zone counts as a mistake.
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You should probably rephrase your question to clarify catching them in a timeframe that makes it worth it. Technically, if you had infinite time (eg, no one else was doing generators at all), you could go through every single resource in the entire map till you eventually catch up. Realistically, against a very good team, spending over 30s to down a healthy player is a net time loss and thus a lost chase normally even if you down them cause too much time spent.
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That's true, I do need to rephrase that to include in a time that is less than the survivors with boons and all the fun stuff need to get out.
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Sure, average kill rate was 2,16, which is not bad, there is little issue tho.
You have basically two killers out of 26 that are balanced there. Spirit had one game with 4k, but then 3x 1K...
Btw bloodlust gets reset whenever you break a pallet or use your power, so good luck with that. You will catch that survivor (can take a lot of time) unless other survivors help with body-blocks. We have seen that with Oracle games...
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One person doesn't prove anything
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Here's the thing, even going past all of that, y'all are talking about if a survivor played perfectly. But here's the thing, they don't a majority of the time. They'd have to play every single game perfectly every single time. And there'd have to be enough of those players that play perfectly, for you to get 4 of them every single match..
Even some of the best known survivors, still make mistakes or get caught out in most of their matches.
But this whole post was from my experience, which is that 90% of the time they make mistakes that I can capitalize on, or there's a weak link to exploit. Then there's the other 10% where they either came in more prepared than I did, as I said above, or they outplayed me. Meaning I made mistakes that I shouldn't have and they capitalized on it.
The whole point of the post was that instead of just thinking every match is against the all time best pro SWFs, maybe look at your own skill and see where you could improve.
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The tournament you cited literally disproved your own point.
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Except it wasn't one person. Multiple people did this challenge and most experienced the same results, even when playing with no perks. So all the best killers got braindead survivors and y'all are just stuck with the pro gamers? Lol
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That's the thing a game should be balanced with high skill in mind on both sides. This one is not.
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It didn't though.. This was swishes tournament and tofu commentated, not spooky. The average kills was 2, average escapes 2. You had pinhead, oni, nurse, blight, deathslinger, wraith, doctor, twins, Pyramid head, spirit, and the huntress. You had all the best players and teams, and each side would reverse after each match. It actually proves my point
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Moving the goalposts now, are we?
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Because I said spooky instead of tofu?? It was literally the most recent tournament..
Geez dude I can see why you're saying it's survivor sided, you need all the help you can get.
Once again, was literally just a post that maybe you should look at self improving instead of blaming game balance.
And y'all went, "Me no need get better, me pro, unbalanced game, why I lose all time. "
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That’s a really weird way of saying “Sorry, I cited the wrong thing which ended up disproving my argument.”
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Also, never said I’m a pro. I have a lot of room to improve. The game is survivor sided at extremely high levels of play most people won’t play at ever. For most average players including me, it’s not relevant. But the game itself is undeniably survivor sided when you look higher.
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It's RNG-sided.
You could get Coal Tower with 6 LT walls.
You could get Coal Tower with 6 long-wall jungle gyms.
One of those maps is incredibly Killer-sided, the other is incredibly Survivor-sided.
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It's obviously not. I've given multiple examples of it not being survivor sided. What with the tournament of the best players, which by the way would be considered the highest level of play, as well as the games played by multiple people, all of which are at the highest level of play, both with and without perks, and they all say pretty much the same thing. And your only evidence is saying, "But it is".
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This tournament you cited has literally dozens of restrictions and hard restricts survivors in multiple aspects and even harder against weaker killers, as is the standard for tournaments. You should look at the stuff you cite and not push a point your own evidence disproves.
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This is very true of the maps, some can favor survivors occasionally, but most are just 50/50 depending on what and how things spawn in.
Played Haddonfield earlier where only one window spawned in house of pain, and only one pallet in the street. I was survivor of course and we all died. Just goes to show lol
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Most maps are like that.
If even two windows spawn in House of Pain, Haddonfield becomes a nightmare.
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There weren't a lot of restrictions in the tournament, in fact it was a lot less than any other tournament that had been ran. And it still proves my point. As do the other videos which you keep ignoring.
So you're saying that it's survivor sided at the top tier of play, but you're nowhere near that tier. So it's not survivor sided for you, right? And then there's a bunch of top tier killers who made videos, showing about a 3k average for each of them across the board, multiple people. So it's not survivor sided for them either.
But you said it's because they don't go against the best players all the time? So who does? If the best killers and players in the world aren't going against the best survivors in the world every single game, who is???
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I think the point he's trying to make which you seem to be misunderstanding is that as killer some games are downright unwinnable as much as you don't wanna admit it there is some games where all the survivors play perfectly
I've seen it other streamers games and I've seen it in my games a really coordinated team that does everything right
Is that 9/10 games hell no but it probably is 1/10
No game is unwinnable as survivor
Some games with low tier killers are just unwinnable
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??? It literally used the exact standard tournament restrictions.
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can someone tell me how the hell can two opposing sides both play 100% perfectly?
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When ones goal is to escape and the others is to kill. When it's both goal to kill someone has to make a mistake
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No one plays perfectly ever.
That said, you can play well and go down without making mistakes. This is what mindgames are about. You did everything as you’re supposed to, but lost the mindgame, which is different from making a mistake like looping a tile the wrong way. And same vice versa. Playing killer well but ending up making some wrong reads.
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Well tbh this game is survivor sided with people that have some sort of semi seriousness when playing. But then sometimes i even see serious players consistently do bad somehow against a bad killer. So IDK dbd is in some kind of weird hole whenever you try to talk about sides.
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Now go back and asses the quality of the survivors you got in the 9/10 games and ask yourself. what did YOU do that made any difference? Just because some survivors are terrible and the game feeds you anything thanks to the q times and 1900 soft cap, doesn't mean that the game is "fair"
You see the real balance in the game when you get that 1/9 games where you get decimated and feel like there is nothing you can do. Imagine if there was no soft cap or time over quality with the mmr and all you got was good survivors. you would change your tune quickly.
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